So I've been on TRT for about 2 years, (about 180mg cyp/week).
Insurance changed at work, new insurance says I have to
requalify. Clinic said to do that, I have to stop TRT for 3 weeks then come and
do bloodwork. When I started, I was in 400's, but free test was low
enough so that I qualified. Now the new insurance company is saying
the free-test requirement has dropped from 10 to 7 (I'm not sure what that means, but I was a 8 when I started).
so they can't cover. Insane.
Was paying 25/week, can continue self pay, but at $75 week.
Few questions: Will stopping for 3-4 weeks cause other problems?
Can I just "bridge" with sarms or d-bol or something?
Do the online companies (like Defy) go through insurance companies as well and evebn if they don't, would I have to "qualify" with them too?
Sorry, my brain is all over the place now.
Thanks all in advance - any suggestions are much appreciated!
So I've been on TRT for about 2 years, (about 180mg cyp/week).
Insurance changed at work, new insurance says I have to
requalify. Clinic said to do that, I have to stop TRT for 3 weeks then come and
do bloodwork. When I started, I was in 400's, but free test was low
enough so that I qualified. Now the new insurance company is saying
the free-test requirement has dropped from 10 to 7 (I'm not sure what that means, but I was a 8 when I started).
so they can't cover. Insane.
Was paying 25/week, can continue self pay, but at $75 week.
Few questions: Will stopping for 3-4 weeks cause other problems?
Can I just "bridge" with sarms or d-bol or something?
Do the online companies (like Defy) go through insurance companies as well and evebn if they don't, would I have to "qualify" with them too?
Sorry, my brain is all over the place now.
Thanks all in advance - any suggestions are much appreciated!
@Radical Ice Welcome back to the EF family, havent seen you in years, how have you been?
you can stop TRT but you'll feel really horrible and down at that time.
Here is a better option, why not go on self-TRT? just get a 10ml bottle of testosterone thats 12+ weeks of TRT in 1 bottle and you dont need to bother, whats the issue with that?
So I've been on TRT for about 2 years, (about 180mg cyp/week).
Insurance changed at work, new insurance says I have to
requalify. Clinic said to do that, I have to stop TRT for 3 weeks then come and
do bloodwork. When I started, I was in 400's, but free test was low
enough so that I qualified. Now the new insurance company is saying
the free-test requirement has dropped from 10 to 7 (I'm not sure what that means, but I was a 8 when I started).
so they can't cover. Insane.
Was paying 25/week, can continue self pay, but at $75 week.
Few questions: Will stopping for 3-4 weeks cause other problems?
Can I just "bridge" with sarms or d-bol or something?
Do the online companies (like Defy) go through insurance companies as well and evebn if they don't, would I have to "qualify" with them too?
Sorry, my brain is all over the place now.
Thanks all in advance - any suggestions are much appreciated!
Few questions: Will stopping for 3-4 weeks cause other problems? You will be fine for that short period. You are completely shut down so your test levels will drop to almost nothing. Should have 0 issue on the "requalify" bloods. I was off after my last show for a month. My levels were 26(400-900) I felt fine. You don't want to be there for a prolonged period but a few weeks is no issue. It's gonna take at least 2 weeks just for the test to clear your body.
Can I just "bridge" with sarms or d-bol or something? I wouldn't take anything as it may mess with lipids or change other bloods and they might want you to fix that before re-prescribing.
Do the online companies (like Defy) go through insurance companies as well and evebn if they don't, would I have to "qualify" with them too? I'm not familiar with these companies my to my knowledge they are a business that wants to make money. As long as you levels aren't already high i don't think you would have an issue although i think your gonna be paying more than $100/month plus whatever bloodwork they want from you.
Just bridging with something is not really the answer here... you will probably start to not feel great in a few weeks of being off of it... i would give it a few weeks but then it will just progressively get worse... 75 for the time being is cheap regardless until its sorted out... you always have the self options as others pointed out as well
@Radical Ice Welcome back to the EF family, havent seen you in years, how have you been?
you can stop TRT but you'll feel really horrible and down at that time.
Here is a better option, why not go on self-TRT? just get a 10ml bottle of testosterone thats 12+ weeks of TRT in 1 bottle and you dont need to bother, whats the issue with that?
All good, Alcatraz - thank you! Getting older, but still maintaining. I've been on TRT for a few years now and can only remember the important general rule of ending all cycles, and that's to "taper" off - never abruptly end if possible. BUT, that's what they are asking me to do. They want me to STOP the weekly injections for 2-3 weeks, then have bloods tested and hopefully show low enough ranges to requalify again, which is twisted insurance logic, for sure. So I was wondering what the ramifications of that might be, if anything.
After getting all these comments, seems like it's just gonna be an insignificant and minor setback if for only 3 weeks or so. My only hesitancy in self-TRT is that I've become comfortable with having the clinical setting to monitor and do quarterly bloodwork, even for just these small amounts.
But you definitley have me thinking about the alternatives now.
Will def post some diet and training since I'm in pretty good shape for someone in the mid-60 range. Again, your suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
All good, Alcatraz - thank you! Getting older, but still maintaining. I've been on TRT for a few years now and can only remember the important general rule of ending all cycles, and that's to "taper" off - never abruptly end if possible. BUT, that's what they are asking me to do. They want me to STOP the weekly injections for 2-3 weeks, then have bloods tested and hopefully show low enough ranges to requalify again, which is twisted insurance logic, for sure. So I was wondering what the ramifications of that might be, if anything.
After getting all these comments, seems like it's just gonna be an insignificant and minor setback if for only 3 weeks or so. My only hesitancy in self-TRT is that I've become comfortable with having the clinical setting to monitor and do quarterly bloodwork, even for just these small amounts.
But you definitley have me thinking about the alternatives now.
Will def post some diet and training since I'm in pretty good shape for someone in the mid-60 range. Again, your suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
@Radical Ice getting older for all of us lol thats life haha.
Can you start your self-TRT LOG journal for us or TRT log journal? the community will support and guide you and you can be part of the EF family again
To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
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Much agreed - never in a million years would I think the qualifications would change. Trying to see the side of the insurance companies, but it just seems like a dark and dirty move on their part, for sure. The TRT clinic owner said it affected quite a few of their patients, so he lost a few who can no longer afford paying out of pocket (and maybe they are now just going with these alternative routes).
For sure, I can self-administer for a fraction of the cost, but would not know where to start as far as analyzing my own bloodwork periodically, so having it monitored for $25/week was worth it. ($75 without insurance). And the clinic is just 5 minutes away with lots of othert locations. Definitley looking at your sources as now I see a real need to have stuff on hand just in case things like this, or worse, ever occur again.
@Radical Ice getting older for all of us lol thats life haha.
Can you start your self-TRT LOG journal for us or TRT log journal? the community will support and guide you and you can be part of the EF family again
To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Discuss Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and SARMS (Selective androgen receptor modulators). Sponsored by NapsGear.org - 20 years of trust!
www.elitefitness.com
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that
in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle
Starting my LOG thread now to get a jump start, but not starting my cycle quite yet. Here is some info about me: 40 yrs old Fluctuate between 123-133 pounds depending on season, hoodies vs bikinis, currently bringing myself back down to the lower end, sitting at 126 now. 5'6" Started...
Monday Heck of a workout. Tried out the newly arrived Cerebus Extreme knee wraps - super stiff. Bitch to put on but judge for yourself the difference they made Hatfield Squat bar x 8 reps, 100kg/220lbs x 8 reps, 180kg/396lbs x 6 reps, 270kg/594lbs x 4 reps Leg Press 232kg x 8 reps, 432kg x 8...
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Hello the team ! I plan to start a little cycle for helping the recovery and try to get my olympic shape lol. In a few words, i have always practiced a sport since my childhood (swimming, footaball, basketball, archery, running, bike....) and i started gym for the first time at 17 years old, i...
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www.elitefitness.com
P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
For sure, I can self-administer for a fraction of the cost, but would not know where to start as far as analyzing my own bloodwork periodically, so having it monitored for $25/week was worth it. ($75 without insurance). And the clinic is just 5 minutes away with lots of othert locations. Definitley looking at your sources as now I see a real need to have stuff on hand just in case things like this, or worse, ever occur again.
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