SouthBeach Rejuvenation Underdosing

[GatorFan]

I contacted this company and asked for the potency testing on their HGH from their pharmacy in New York and they sent faxed me the results. When I looked at it it was actually under dosed. It said it was supposed to be 18IU's per vial and was tested only at 17 IU's. Maybe that is why their stuff is cheaper it isn't 100% on the strength. I posted in the HRT forum the sheet they sent me and the following is the link to that post or I will be posting this form tomorrow on this post.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507641

What a scam!

 

[justinjones1963]

that is only 5% off. I am not sure what FDA pharma standards are but I wouldn't flip out at a 5% margin of error.

Nothing is going to be 100%.

 

[acneman]

What a scam!

yep definetly you are scamming
joined 24 hrs ago to dis board supporter
what are you? a front for another clinic?
are you littlerosey also so you can ask the question too

just wanted to get my 2cents in before you were banned
next time spend a few weeks setting up before you pounce with the bullcrap

 

[GatorFan]

I am not a front for any other clinic. I am just a consumer that wants to make sure I am getting what I paid for. I have contacted a few other clinics and they have all provided me with these reports on their products. Don't know why I would get banned for something like this if anything hopefully they will have their pharmacy fix the problem. I don't think this board would also want someone effecting their members and giving them a bad name. I thought we were supposed to support each other with information and that is what I was doing. I wouldn't want this to happen to me or anyone else. Sorry if I offended you.

 

[acneman]

I am not a front for any other clinic. I am just a consumer that wants to make sure I am getting what I paid for. I have contacted a few other clinics and they have all provided me with these reports on their products. Don't know why I would get banned for something like this if anything hopefully they will have their pharmacy fix the problem. I don't think this board would also want someone effecting their members and giving them a bad name. I thought we were supposed to support each other with information and that is what I was doing. I wouldn't want this to happen to me or anyone else. Sorry if I offended you.

ok have you ever made a post except to put down this company?
post a link to the lab results.
post a link to the plethora of other lab results you claim to have
how do you know so much abvout this board when you joined less than 24 hrs ago

I thought we were supposed to support each other with information and that is what I was doing.

let me guess you are an Athletic Supporter

 

[GatorFan]

I posted the one that they sent me in the Longevity Forum. If you can't read it I can probably email it to you. It is in my office so I can repost it here tomorrow when I get in. Once again I apologize if any offense was taken because none was meant.

 

[justinjones1963]

I posted the one that they sent me in the Longevity Forum. If you can't read it I can probably email it to you. It is in my office so I can repost it here tomorrow when I get in. Once again I apologize if any offense was taken because none was meant.

Also, read up on FDA compounding and dosage requirements. They fit well within the mean as required by the goddamn feds.

 

[acneman]

I posted the one that they sent me in the Longevity Forum. If you can't read it I can probably email it to you. It is in my office so I can repost it here tomorrow when I get in. Once again I apologize if any offense was taken because none was meant.

ok and the other reports
and my other questions

 

[acneman]

Also, read up on FDA compounding and dosage requirements. They fit well within the mean as required by the goddamn feds.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to justinjones1963 again.

 

[GatorFan]

As for your other questions I am sorry you didn't read my first statment correctly I said that I have a potency testing report from them. I did not say that I had all kinds of information. They only sent me one report. As for your question about knowing about this board. What is there to know is this a board of people that like to get ripped off. It is supposed to be people that look for others input on cycles, steroid info, exercise, fitness, and general overal health. It is a place where people can get a second opinion on what they are doing or basically get good advice from other people that do research for themselves and I would think everyone would want to know if they were not getting what they paid for. Just like you if you were buying a car and it said it was an 8 cylinder and you only got a 6 cylinder. How happy are you going to truly be.

 

[Twoguns]

did you know that your 1 Gigabyte hard drive isn't really a complete 1000 megabytes. Give and take bro. That discrepancy wasn't that bad

 

[acneman]

As for your other questions I am sorry you didn't read my first statment correctly I said that I have a potency testing report from them. I did not say that I had all kinds of information. They only sent me one report.

I have contacted a few other clinics and they have all provided me with these reports on their products.

geez get your story straight
hey if i pm you will you tell me where i can get THE GOOD STUFF make your pitch scammer

to quote a recently banned member

me hates you. you is an bastage an a prak.

 

[GatorFan]

Justin,

If that is exceptable to be 5% off of the mark than that is fine and I will accept that but you should also know that the FDA does not regulate compounding pharmacies.

August 30, 2006 (Midland Texas) -- In a much-anticipated landmark ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Junell ruled that compounding custom prescriptions from bulk ingredients based on a prescription is legal and not under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The FDA had argued that compounded medications are "new unapproved drugs" and that the agency should therefore have jurisdiction over compounding pharmacies.

 

[acneman]

Justin,

If that is exceptable to be 5% off of the mark than that is fine and I will accept that but you should also know that the FDA does not regulate compounding pharmacies.

August 30, 2006 (Midland Texas) -- In a much-anticipated landmark ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Robert Junell ruled that compounding custom prescriptions from bulk ingredients based on a prescription is legal and not under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The FDA had argued that compounded medications are "new unapproved drugs" and that the agency should therefore have jurisdiction over compounding pharmacies.

wow you found that quick almost like you were ready before it was mentioned
things that make you go hmmmm

 

[GatorFan]

Sorry I thought you were asking for more testings from their clinic. Yes I do have some other reports from other pharmacies on their potency testing. Send me a PM and can forward them over to you if you would like.

 

[WilliamBailey]

You're getting your pannies in a bunch over 5%.
Wow...

 

[GatorFan]

I had that in my favorites on my computer. I wanted to know more about compounded medication vs. Name Brand because all of these HRT clinics are mostly using all compounded drugs and vary rarely they even mention using Name Brand medications. I have a lot of stuff that I found. Just want to make sure that I am safe if I actually don't see their doctor. Lot of scammers just want to know the law and medication if I am going to pay more than ugls or other sources. If I am going to be at the same risk I might as well stay with ugls or other methods because they are cheaper.

 

[chazk]

actually 5 % is just one or two drops of gh . testing can be off due to tiny amounts that stick to the sides of the vials the gh comes in plus sticks to the sides of the glass the product was tested in. would not surprise me if that where the other i.u ended up. hell even the fucking syringe they used to extract holds a tiny bit in the needle head that does not get released into the testing vial

 

[T-Matt]

I contacted this company and asked for the potency testing on their HGH from their pharmacy in New York and they sent faxed me the results. When I looked at it it was actually under dosed. It said it was supposed to be 18IU's per vial and was tested only at 17 IU's. Maybe that is why their stuff is cheaper it isn't 100% on the strength. I posted in the HRT forum the sheet they sent me and the following is the link to that post or I will be posting this form tomorrow on this post.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507641

What a scam!

hahahahahahaha.. if anything now I actually believe in SBR and have more respect for them.. 17/18 ain't too shabby in my book.. If anything there's probably actually 19ius b/c there is always so much wasted during testing from extraction and transfers..

Man, you probably would have shot yourself if you would have bought some Ttokko Test 250 that I had tested back in the days.. Labeled 250mg/mL but actually had 182mg/mL!

T-Matt

 

[Reubsf]

geez get your story straight
hey if i pm you will you tell me where i can get THE GOOD STUFF make your pitch scammer

to quote a recently banned member

Why are you trying to accuse someone of trying to scam people? You're going way overboard in trying to discredit this guy, broly. What's up?

 

[Reubsf]

hahahahahahaha.. if anything now I actually believe in SBR and have more respect for them.. 17/18 ain't too shabby in my book.. If anything there's probably actually 19ius b/c there is always so much wasted during testing from extraction and transfers..

Man, you probably would have shot yourself if you would have bought some Ttokko Test 250 that I had tested back in the days.. Labeled 250mg/mL but actually had 182mg/mL!

T-Matt

I agree that this would seem to lend them more credibility...especially when you consider that they could just have easily sent him a "perfect" test result.

 

[Reubsf]

I contacted this company and asked for the potency testing on their HGH from their pharmacy in New York and they sent faxed me the results. When I looked at it it was actually under dosed. It said it was supposed to be 18IU's per vial and was tested only at 17 IU's. Maybe that is why their stuff is cheaper it isn't 100% on the strength. I posted in the HRT forum the sheet they sent me and the following is the link to that post or I will be posting this form tomorrow on this post.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507641

What a scam!

Pretty heavy accusation, brother. Hope you've got some information that would support your claim

 

[acneman]

Why are you trying to accuse someone of trying to scam people? You're going way overboard in trying to discredit this guy, broly. What's up?

it looked strange
checked it out

the thread starter littlerosey posted question about southbeach 18-Sep-2006, 06:36 PM

can anyone tell me if this is a good company

and responded 22-Sep-2006, 10:15 AM

thanks for the response! got my first shipment yesterday!

only two posts ever. shipment of what? was it on the way when he asked(a little late to ask doncha think) cause 4 (closer to 3)days is quick

then here comes my buddy GatorFan
Join Date: 25-Sep-2006
first post ever 25-Sep-2006, 01:20 AM

I wouldn't be too sure. I asked them for a potency test from their pharmacy on their HGH and it came back under dosed! Supposed to be 18IU's and came back 17IU's. Little fishy to me but I guess you pay less for less quality medications. I also was doing my research to make sure they were legit and found a pharmacy in California that used to be called Lowen's that was shut down for bad practices. Don't know if it is the same people but I am looking to find out! Just my 2 cents. I am sure EliteFitness did their research to let them advertise here.

on post #3 is where the scamming begins IMO

I don't know how to post for non plats can view. If you pm me I can probably email it to you if you want me to.

GatorFan now has 11 posts all in ref to southbeach

nothing rings true about this
someone joins this board for two reasons
to learn or to talk to other people

why have neither of the members above EVER posted anywhere else on this site
why did GatorFan join... none of the above IMHO

if you Reubsf had posted this i would have replied"thanks for the info" or not at all. im not a customer of southbeach and have no future plans with them.
and YOU are a legit member

thats all prosecution rests

 

[Ulter]

Gator Dude, listen.. I am sure that everything you say it true. I am sure that the test is accurate. SBR is selling 17iu of GH in an 18 iu vial. Okay? I agree with you based on the C of A.

How long have you been buying GH and what's your experience with other vendors of it? I'm guessing you're a rookie to 18 iu kits.

I had a script for Serono GH. I used to go pick it up from Walgreen's. I'm pretty sure that it was legit. Ya think?
In the two years I used those kits, never once did the kit contain the 18 iu's printed on the box. It was always short. Usually 1iu, but sometimes 2 iu's. I didn't care because I had insurance. I don't know why this was, or is, but that's the truth of it.
So all this fuss you're making about the missing IU is over nothing. It's typical of what drug companies do and I'm sure that it's typical of SBR.

 

[welloiledmachine]

ya..what a bunch of wack jobs. I've been dosing since most of your mommy's were wiping your rear ends. I've been a member of other forums, and figured why not join this one. I've been reading through some of the posts and find this one very interesting. I use two clinics nationwide, and I better get what I pay for. Especially when it costs more than on the black market. Really all clinics suck, you can keep that compounded bull crap, its all under dosed. I can make better stuff in my garage..LOL And further, I contacted South Beach rejuvenation and I thought that I was talking to a pre-schooler. If you want to sell and market hormones, you better know what you are talking about.

 

[acneman]

gone
peace

 

[welloiledmachine]

For a guy who just joined in August, only one month before your budy gator fan you have a lot of nerve. Ive been using HGH for years, and have plenty of experience with over six clinics nationwide. all I'm saying is that with the market so competitive right now, who wants to deal with inexpereinced reps. who think one shot of cypionate a week is a good cycle. and what do you do just sit and post all day?? grow up.....and stop accusing someone who is obviously trying to make sure someone is legit. Go to any other forum, and I am known. Hands down.

 

[acneman]

For a guy who just joined in August, only one month before your budy gator fan you have a lot of nerve.Go to any other forum, and I am known. Hands down.

i was a member of this site in 2001
i wrote an article on insulin that is posted on over 20 bodybuilding sites and forums
and translated into russian and dutch
dont believe me do a search on google for acneman
hell major bb sites quote my article word for word without credit given
am i mad? no. i posted it for free to help people be safe

i am known hands down

as for you i might be totaly wrong you might be legit but i couldnt find you with a search
if so im sorry but if you are on other forums you will have to admit that this whole thread is suspicious
read my post above and tell me this isnt funky
and with your first post upon joining is in support for these twits then cant you see my point

 

[welloiledmachine]

I agree, it is very suspect. and yes I have been posting for years in several forums. This subject just caught my eye because my friends own a clinic in Ft. lauderdale, I started reading and thought this guy was catching alot of slack. I do see your point, but it is always good to have these wack jobs who do all the research for the lazy ones like me, and then post it for others. I just don't want you to offend this guy who obviously has nothing better to do than research the laws. All you need to do is say what you said one time,...it is suspect and a little fishy.

 

[acneman]

I agree, it is very suspect. All you need to do is say what you said one time,...it is suspect and a little fishy.

you know what?

youre right ive said enough.
unless specifically referred to i will not post on this thread again
peace

 

[Quadsweep]

i was a member of this site in 2001
i wrote an article on insulin that is posted on over 20 bodybuilding sites and forums
and translated into russian and dutch
dont believe me do a search on google for acneman
hell major bb sites quote my article word for word without credit given
am i mad? no. i posted it for free to help people be safe

i am known hands down

as for you i might be totaly wrong you might be legit but i couldnt find you with a search
if so im sorry but if you are on other forums you will have to admit that this whole thread is suspicious
read my post above and tell me this isnt funky
and with your first post upon joining is in support for these twits then cant you see my point

He is not telling tales...I have the Insulin article saved to disk actually. Ia m just going to lock this as it it just going nowhere. I do not like someone joining here and right off start with post like this I must say also.

Quadsweep

 

[Big Rick Rock]

17 out of 18 is not bad at all!

Some was lost during transfer for testing I'm sure.



-BRR

 

[South Beach Rejuvenation]

First off lets get things straight: Federal Pharmacy laws allow for a 10% (+or-) dosing discrepancy in pharmacy compounding. now if you are Eli lilly Co. or Upjohn standards are set the same. . Also, given the fact that you also have a 10-15% margin for the suppliers of the raw materials who supply the Manufacturers you have the potential of a up to 25% margin of error. For a compounding pharmacy to fall within 5% is excellent. All of the prescription drugs offered by the supplying pharmacy for South Beach Rejuvenation undergo independent analysis. In some cases the materials test out 3-8% over the dosage range. We challenge any one to take comparative analysis of drugs offered by other clinics or online pharmacies and our products will exceed theirs, in potency, quality and consistency.

We will be the industries Best! Period. Thanks for your posts. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any others you may contact us directly at 866-687-4449. We welcome your calls.

 

[mikefear]

First off lets get things straight: Federal Pharmacy laws allow for a 10% (+or-) dosing discrepancy in pharmacy compounding. now if you are Eli lilly Co. or Upjohn standards are set the same. . Also, given the fact that you also have a 10-15% margin for the suppliers of the raw materials who supply the Manufacturers you have the potential of a up to 25% margin of error. For a compounding pharmacy to fall within 5% is excellent. All of the prescription drugs offered by the supplying pharmacy for South Beach Rejuvenation undergo independent analysis. In some cases the materials test out 3-8% over the dosage range. We challenge any one to take comparative analysis of drugs offered by other clinics or online pharmacies and our products will exceed theirs, in potency, quality and consistency.

We will be the industries Best! Period. Thanks for your posts. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any others you may contact us directly at 866-687-4449. We welcome your calls.

well done

 

[Big Rick Rock]

First off lets get things straight: Federal Pharmacy laws allow for a 10% (+or-) dosing discrepancy in pharmacy compounding. now if you are Eli lilly Co. or Upjohn standards are set the same. . Also, given the fact that you also have a 10-15% margin for the suppliers of the raw materials who supply the Manufacturers you have the potential of a up to 25% margin of error. For a compounding pharmacy to fall within 5% is excellent. All of the prescription drugs offered by the supplying pharmacy for South Beach Rejuvenation undergo independent analysis. In some cases the materials test out 3-8% over the dosage range. We challenge any one to take comparative analysis of drugs offered by other clinics or online pharmacies and our products will exceed theirs, in potency, quality and consistency.

We will be the industries Best! Period. Thanks for your posts. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any others you may contact us directly at 866-687-4449. We welcome your calls.

Thanx for clearign that up.







-BRR

 

[njmuscleguy]

It's just the nature of the game.... often vials will be underdosed and sometimes even overdosed... UG labs are most notorious for this... just learn to deal with it or find another source that you'll be happy with

 

[Oasis]

Gator Dude, listen.. I am sure that everything you say it true. I am sure that the test is accurate. SBR is selling 17iu of GH in an 18 iu vial. Okay? I agree with you based on the C of A.

How long have you been buying GH and what's your experience with other vendors of it? I'm guessing you're a rookie to 18 iu kits.

I had a script for Serono GH. I used to go pick it up from Walgreen's. I'm pretty sure that it was legit. Ya think?
In the two years I used those kits, never once did the kit contain the 18 iu's printed on the box. It was always short. Usually 1iu, but sometimes 2 iu's. I didn't care because I had insurance. I don't know why this was, or is, but that's the truth of it.
So all this fuss you're making about the missing IU is over nothing. It's typical of what drug companies do and I'm sure that it's typical of SBR.

If GatorFan is unhappy with the results he needs to go somewhere else. or Use name brand products to ease his comfort that he is getting screwed.

I am through with all the postings on this subject. Everyone has spoken their mind and I want to kind of have a final word on the subject and some are very educated answers. I would like to respond to Ulter and this does not pertain to anyone else As for my experience I can assure you that I have a lot of knowledge in the matter of HGH. Please do truly know what you are taking. Truly there is no way by merely looking at the bottle or drawing the medication out of the vial can you tell that you medication is IU short if you are drawing the medication correctly it has at some angle nothing to do with the amount of the water you draw out but the strength of the powder and the amount of dilutant you use. Also unless you are HIV positive or have AIDs (no offense if you do) would be able to legal pick up a Serono Product that contained 18IU's per vial. The only product that is made by Serono that is 18IU's is Serostem which can only be prescribed to AIDS patients or HIV positive patients. I would make you aware that if your doctor is prescribing you that and you do not have that condition you are not legal anyway. (not that that always matter at least you got it.) Really the only product that Serono makes for AGHD is the Saizen line. Just make sure you are legit if being prescribed.

Thanks for your time.

 

[pitbullrocco]

wah

 

[welloiledmachine]

We challenge any one to take comparative analysis of drugs offered by other clinics or online pharmacies and our products will exceed theirs, in potency, quality and consistency.

We will be the industries Best! Period. Thanks for your posts. I hope this answers some of your questions. If you have any others you may contact us directly at 866-687-4449. We welcome your calls.


Pretty cocky statement. The best??? you are new to the game and have not even been in business but a couple months, I have used several clinics in the past 7 years, and all can back up there testing. Its not the gear because its all compounded crap, personally I preffer UG labs. I admit you do have great prices, but when I called, your rep. lacked the knowledge necessary to be successful. With big dogs like PBR, and the other 20 clinics in South florida you better be on point, because what it really comes down to is knowledge, and customer service, when all clinics are getting dirty cutting prices down. Good luck to ya....

 

[Mr.X]

those tests are fine....I don't see any problems at all

 

[littlerosey]

yep definetly you are scamming
joined 24 hrs ago to dis board supporter
what are you? a front for another clinic?
are you littlerosey also so you can ask the question too

just wanted to get my 2cents in before you were banned
next time spend a few weeks setting up before you pounce with the bullcrap

IM using so beach think there great reccomending to family members so don't drag me into this pal!

 

[acneman]

IM using so beach think there great reccomending to family members so don't drag me into this pal!

that was for gatorfan

although i did question if you were an alterego of gator fan
mabey i was wrong

 

[welloiledmachine]

acneman, looked up that insulin article, great info. No offense earlier, but I've been in the game along time, I know alot, plus I do have a pre-med degree, so at times I am a arrogant mother f###$$, so don't take it personally.

 

[acneman]

acneman, looked up that insulin article, great info. No offense earlier, but I've been in the game along time, I know alot, plus I do have a pre-med degree, so at times I am a arrogant mother f###$$, so don't take it personally.

dood weve been at peace
no prob here
lookin forward to some friendly discusion and debate in the future
workin on an insulin update and another super secret article
ill pm you when i post to get your 2 cents