Thanlks for all the replies....I was shut down quite hard on deca, not really my levels so much as just months being lethargic and just not myself, but I loved being on it. I was hoping NPP would be better, but maybe, at this stage, I should just stay away. The problem with adding test Ulter is that I already had gyno once and I am very sensitive to any compound that might bring it back. Thats one of the reasons I stick to var/primo/winny - mostly for good solid lean muscle mass. But I want to steer clear of the 17aas for a while, so I was looking for another compound. Thanks again for all the replies.