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hey bro's, i just turned 19 and i am on my first cycle. it consists of dbol 35mg a day (done with these as of today), and 1g test a week (it is BDL homebrew so im doing a little extra incase its underdosed). i am about to start week 5, and my results are decent, im up 25lbs, some fat some muscle. i have been eating bwx25 btw.

im wondering about adding slin to my next cycle, since its not an aas i dont think it would be any more dangerous for a 19 year old to use than anyonesle, but i wanted to know what others think. i am not really impressed with the size i have gotten of 1g of test, and week 5 is about to start and my cycle will be half way done.

thank.s
 
what were ur stats before and now?

25lbs is a lot for 5 weeks. that is way too much test for first cycle.
 
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Holy shit!!!!

Bro 1gm of test for your first cycle wtf are you thinking? Drop that down to 500mg asap.

25lbs after 5 weeks decent?!
WTF that's insane bro... hate to see the stretchmarks from that.

And last but not least- slin is way more dangerous than steroids... it has the very real potential to end your life.
 
i disagree. Slin is not more dangerous than roids. infact its safer.

Slin abused and used badly=death
steroids abused and used badly= massive side effects like hair gone, gyno ,prostate cancer etcc

its hard to fuck up on insulin.

and it will give you 0 side effects no hair loss nothing. and more powerful than dbol .

as long as u know what u are doing ur way more than fine.

my friend does insulin he says its a joke, he never did roids cuz he dont want the side effects from roids.

he does 7.5iu with lots of protein and carbs only if he goes hypo.

he uses humalin-r

he never went hypo.

now hes doing 7.5 iu twice a day with lots of protein and carbs only if he feels hypo.

as long as u dont exceed 15iu-20iu a day ull be fine
never do lots of slin at the same time. split doses and take carbs if u feel hypo and ur fine.
 
1gram of test for a first cycle is a bit too much......you would see just as good results off 500mg/week with less sides. What are your stats? Years training etc....? Also, Insulin can be extremely dangerous to play around with if you use it wrong. There are a lot of guys that are using it, and are fine but it can be a huge risk to take.....and a lot of us are smart not to take that risk.
 
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JimmyJonesJunior said:

as long as u know what u are doing ur way more than fine.

my friend does insulin he says its a joke, he never did roids cuz he dont want the side effects from roids.
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hey bro, what does he mean "a joke." does he mean the gains are insane, or it is a waste of money?

chief, i dont really have any sides from the 1g a week on my first cycle, maybe some acne but no hair loss (funny thing is hair loss is real bad in my family, and for me, but i dont think the test has made it any worse). im 19 and have been losing hair since i was 17. as for gyno, my nips were a little puffy but i took nolva at 80mg for 5 days, now im backing down to 40 and prob 20 soon, the puffy nips are gone. no increased sex drive, maybe less than usual while on this cycle. it has actually been a whole 4 weeks starting tommorow, no stretch marks i feel bloated though, i was expecting more though, i dont look 25lbs heavier.

game, have been training for 2-3 years, im 5'10.5'', 195lbs and just turned 19.
 
insulin is not dangerous if u have minimal brains.
those who do 50iu a day are dumb.

10-15iu a day is all u need for maximal anabolism.

its safe as fuck as long as protein and carbs are there u are more then fine.

always take the stuff post workouts .

and dont take it before u sleep
2 of my friends did insulin before doing roids simply cuz of the side effects associated with steroids.
such as gyno , expenses on all the anti estro, hair loss , test shutdown, prostate cancer and lots of other problems that arent worth it.
 
so you are 195 now... meaning you were 170lbs before your cycle and u have been training for 2-3 years? what were u using... a bowflex? :p

i think you jumped the gun for your 1st cycle.
 
JimmyJonesJunior said:
i disagree. Slin is not more dangerous than roids. infact its safer.

Slin abused and used badly=death
steroids abused and used badly= massive side effects like hair gone, gyno ,prostate cancer etcc

its hard to fuck up on insulin.

and it will give you 0 side effects no hair loss nothing. and more powerful than dbol .

as long as u know what u are doing ur way more than fine.

my friend does insulin he says its a joke, he never did roids cuz he dont want the side effects from roids.

he does 7.5iu with lots of protein and carbs only if he goes hypo.

he uses humalin-r

he never went hypo.

now hes doing 7.5 iu twice a day with lots of protein and carbs only if he feels hypo.

as long as u dont exceed 15iu-20iu a day ull be fine
never do lots of slin at the same time. split doses and take carbs if u feel hypo and ur fine.
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bro, this post has potential to steer people to something before they know all about it. Insulin used the proper way is not that bad, but for most people, maybe not your buddy, insulin can be a killer.
 
JimmyJonesJunior said:
insulin is not dangerous if u have minimal brains.
those who do 50iu a day are dumb.

10-15iu a day is all u need for maximal anabolism.

its safe as fuck as long as protein and carbs are there u are more then fine.

always take the stuff post workouts .

and dont take it before u sleep
2 of my friends did insulin before doing roids simply cuz of the side effects associated with steroids.
such as gyno , expenses on all the anti estro, hair loss , test shutdown, prostate cancer and lots of other problems that arent worth it.
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hey bro, what type of gains did they get from the slin by istelf?

are slin and aas synergestic? i am a hard gainer, so im looking to put on lots of mass while i cycle and not worry about the fat, i can lean out pretty easily.

btw, i dont plan on using slin (if i do decide to) for another20-25 weeks, im just researching now, and if i use it it will be at lower dosages than my aas:D
 
slin is a joke meaning, its way over hyped in terms of sides.

i have a diabetic friend who takes in like 15iu shot with a small salad

she feels hypo then pops in a lil glucose tablet 5grams.

thats it
rofl

my friend takes almost no carbs on 7.5iu shots but lots of protein

other people eating 100grams of carbs

paranoid people
lol
meaning under 15iu a day split doses with protein u are NOT GONA GO HYPO=\
 
my friend never did roids he gains 1.2lb of muscle a week on slin.

another one gains approx same shit.

they are both natuarl , they dont do roids.
they refuse to do steroids simply cuz of the side effects which arent worth the trouble.

hair loss is not acceptable in exchange of muscle gains.

although insulin abuse will make u risking becoming a diabetic . but none of them abuse it no more than 15iu a day and they dont use it for long.

and they always low carb increasing insulin sensitivity.

nway
used in correct way its a great aid for natural bodybuilders who want to opt out steroid usage due to expansive roids and all the counter measures u gotta take and all the gains u will lose post cycles are not worth it

slin is cheap as hell and safe as hell if research is done with no sides only side is death if really abused as is aspirin if abused
 
slin a joke?
that's why it can kill you in minutes, if you go down.

There are so many more details to worry about then with gear.
 
slin can kill u in minutes if u do 100iu at once duh

aspirin can kill u in minutes if u do 100tablets at once

anyone with brains
wil not die
sheesh
why do people perceive things as "all out death"

only morons die on insulin.

there are no sides from insulin usage cept for death for morons who deserve to die on it.

the only side to worry about with insulin usage is increasing insulin resistance and causing diabetes if u abuse it for a long time.

but just as same thing with steroids.. abuse it for a long time and u will PERMANENTLY SHUT DOWN ur testosterone .
and prolly get cancer. or speed up any cancer thats dormant (second hand smoking? hello?) =\

slin is a side effect free thing that will gvie u more anabolism than dbol and winny with no side effects if used properly for 3-4 weeks cycles. u will be satsified.

and.. its cheap as hell

but nway do ur reserach before u opt to do drugs .

but i figure this..
i rather take 10iu of insulin a day instead of injesting 1000grams of dextrose to get the same effect.

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taking over 10iu's to some people can be life threatening. Not consuming carbs after your shot and workout can also cause hypo.

while most people on this board and younger people use and abuse alcohol this is another potential dangerous combo with insulin as are other club drugs.

Being that you can develop hypoglycemia while asleep without warning you must be aware not to sleep 4-6 hours after your shot.

these are few of the many reasons it is a risk, and another reason you should have a friend who knows you are taking it and who keeps and eye on you. Don't even have to worry about this while on gear.
 
JimmyJonesJunior, your comments on this subject or not very appropriate, insulin has fucked up many bodybuilders and it can have a very negative impact on the pancreas. ITs not NEARLY as easy to use insulin as you are trying to make it out to be.

If its so damn easy and so safe, why aren't you using it, every remark you make is about "my friend' or "my bro"

Insulin is not something for the amatuer bodybuilder and is definitely something that takes care and LOTS or research. I'm sure you'll fire back at me and call me an idiot or whatever, i've been on this board for 4 years, you for 2 months, i've seen the stories and i've seen the experiences, so be cautious on offering your haphazard advice so freely
 
most of us amateur or natural bbuilders would never dare risk losing our hair or balls or get gyno in sake of getting few more lbs of muscle with roids.

we want something to speed up gains.
slin seems logical for our purposes.
 
Junior:
Hmmmmm, so you gave up taking glyburide, then?
If you want to take slin, take it.
But don't talk the talk as if you have walked the walk.
 
well, i disagree with the folks that say drop your dosages, hell, you are already shut down, might as well go with it, dropping to 500 isn't going to help anything
 
jimmy you are making it seem like everyone that uses aas loses their hair, balls, gets gyno and doesnt keep any gains. if you use it right and take the right precautions you wont get any of those side effects. just like if you use slin right you wont die. but the fact is there is a chance you will die on slin no matter what you do and there is a chance you will lose your hair grow tits and lose your balls on aas not matter what precautions you take. people have to be aware of that, dont make it seem like slin is the safest drug out there
 
WTF? how is 1g going to shut anyone down more than 500? i dont think dosage matters, it is time on and i will be running my cycle for 10 weeks. correct me if i am wrong but once you are shut down you are shut down, 500 will accomplish this and 1g wont shut you down anymore, correct?

and what about the liver? my dbol dosage isn't excessive and i have been taking 2g milk thistle and ala, the bol is only for 4 weeks.
 
JimmyJonesJunior said:
slin can kill u in minutes if u do 100iu at once duh

aspirin can kill u in minutes if u do 100tablets at once

anyone with brains
wil not die
sheesh
why do people perceive things as "all out death"

only morons die on insulin.

there are no sides from insulin usage cept for death for morons who deserve to die on it.

the only side to worry about with insulin usage is increasing insulin resistance and causing diabetes if u abuse it for a long time.
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and how do you know he isn't one of those "morons"? he did just say for his first cycle he's doing 1g of test....
 
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and how do you know he isn't one of those "morons"? he did just say for his first cycle he's doing 1g of test....
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bro, if i was a moron i would be doing 2-3g of test.

im just looking to put on some mass this cycle, i dont think 1g is excessive since i am running it by istelf, the dbol was just until the test kicked in.
 
i wasn't saying your a moron bro, i was saying that it is possible for someone to go overboard and abuse the use of slin.
i do think 1g of test is a little overkill for the first cycle though, i would drop to 500/wk and run it for 12 weeks, just look at the past 5 weeks as an extreme frontload :D
 
hey bro, its your body and your right to take a whole fucking gram if you wish, i won't knock you, 500mg would have probably yielded the same results, but i don't see a problem with a gram, only thing i think you did wrong was buying underground lab gear, 500mg of a european human grade test would have definitely kicked the shit out of 1000mg of underground junk. i put on 30 lbs and kept 25 on my first cycle which was 8 weeks and only 500mg karachi sust per week. but yeh, you are right on the shut down part, i wouldn't lower the dosages
 
Slin should only be used by responsible people. Doing a gram of test as a first cycle at 170lbs is NOT RESPONSIBLE. Cut your test in half and get a few years of experience under your belt before even thinking about slin.

If you think you need even more help from drugs (slin) after using 1g of test, then you really need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. If you're eating right and training right you would still grow like a weed if your first cycle was 25mg dbol and 350mg of test a week. Don't rely on drugs to do the work.
 
Hey kid, you are not even 200lbs? And you were in the 170's when you started this CRAZY cycle? Look, it's people like you that give juicers a bad name, because I'll tell you this much, you are one of those assholes thats gonna end up dead within a couple of years, and your parents will be crying to all the papers how it was the nasty steroids. When in reality it was your dumb ass.

First, learn to train. If you needed roids to NOT EVEN break 200 at 5'11, than you don't know how to eat or train, perhaps both. Second, you have NO business doing 1gram of test, 35mg of d-bol a day, let alone thinking about slin. Grow the hell up, read a hell of a lot more, and learn to eat and or train properly. Do this for a few years, and come back with a new attitude (this I'm young, and nothing will ever hurt me bullshit needs to go), and then maybe you will start to earn some respect.
 
i dont see how me using 1g of test for my first cycle has anything to do with how much i know about diet/training. i think at my weight 4300cal is plenty of food, and i am no idiot when it comes to training. im not taking gear to make up for any lack of effort, im taking it to go along with my diet and training to build mass.

my gear is UG, so im probably only getting about 500-750mg of test per week, if i were using european gear i would probably be doing 500-750mg per week but im not. im up 25lbs in 4 weeks but i don't look any bigger, some people need higher dosages to make gains, i happen to have shitty genetics.

and yeah, lots of people die from taking 1g of test a week, i will probably die in my sleep tonight:rolleyes:
 
i dont really see whats the big deal about 1g of test either, i dont have any sides so to speak, nolva took care of the puffy nips and i dont have any unusual hair loss (eventhough i am predisposed, test hasn't made it any worse). i haven't had acne since i was 15, except an ocasional zit, but nothing out of the ordinary on 1g of test.
 
psychedout said:
1 gram of test per week.....holy mother of god........nuff said.
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i just weighed myself after my workout and im up 30lbs from the start, tommorow will be my final day on week 4. at this rate i will put on 75lbs. obviousley i wont actually put on #75, but what would you bro's estimate my final gains will be considering i put on 30 over the first 4 weeks? today was my last day of dbol, so im guessing gains will slow down. i would think the test would kick in by now but my libido has actually went down.
 
Sorry! but you didn't even have any business doing gear at 19 hell i didn't touch the stuff until my 40's and made gains then.Theres absolutely no way you will keep most if all of that-The body can't adapt that fast,....and the saying applies here"quick to gain----quick to loose........burn out your receptors with a gram, stress out those liver & kidneys until they hurt!!!its your body,its the only one you will ever have!!!!



RADAR
 
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ABSOLUTE WORST THREAD. EVER.


AND DONT USE SLIN. Seriously. If you want to know why feel free to PM me. Big Pumper
 
big pumper said:


i just weighed myself after my workout and im up 30lbs from the start, tommorow will be my final day on week 4. at this rate i will put on 75lbs. obviousley i wont actually put on #75, but what would you bro's estimate my final gains will be considering i put on 30 over the first 4 weeks? today was my last day of dbol, so im guessing gains will slow down. i would think the test would kick in by now but my libido has actually went down.
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No it doesn't work that way. And your body didn't produce nearly 10lbs of muscle each week. You're holding a ton of water. You must look like the Michelin man. You're blood pressure is likely very high from the edema caused by not using the proper anti-e's.

Yes, you're ready. Go get yourself some slin.
 
Alright... I usually play the part of a silent observer, but tonight I feel obliged to put my two cents in.

YOU'RE 19 YEARS OLD. You are at your sexual peak, meaning your body is naturally producing tons of test, yet you feel rushed to get your beach body so you negate your natural production with and insane amount of exogenous test. And you say you have poor genetics... How do you know how you respond to AAS if you've never used them before? I have some pretty bad genetics, but I didn't start using AAS until I put on about 80lbs NATURALLY. I'm currently on my fifth cycle of test enanthate @ 500mg/week... THAT'S IT... and I'm gaining like a madman. I feel like a broken record saying this, but if your training and diet are up to par, you shouldn't need a gram of test to see gains unless you're at your genetic limits (which you obviously aren't).

From your posts I can tell that you've researched AAS use only minimally. I can't tell you how glad I am that I researched this stuff for a year before starting a cycle. Read, learn, and use the search function on multiple boards (not just this one) before you even think about starting another cycle (let alone using insulin). Not intended to be a flame, but I know how eager I was at 19 to be huge so I want to help steer you clear of the pitfalls of teenage ambition.

One last note: I refuse to take advice from anyone who refers to the measurement of insulin in IU's.
 
jotun79 said:
Alright... I usually play the part of a silent observer, but tonight I feel obliged to put my two cents in.

YOU'RE 19 YEARS OLD. You are at your sexual peak, meaning your body is naturally producing tons of test, yet you feel rushed to get your beach body so you negate your natural production with and insane amount of exogenous test. And you say you have poor genetics... How do you know how you respond to AAS if you've never used them before? I have some pretty bad genetics, but I didn't start using AAS until I put on about 80lbs NATURALLY. I'm currently on my fifth cycle of test enanthate @ 500mg/week... THAT'S IT... and I'm gaining like a madman. I feel like a broken record saying this, but if your training and diet are up to par, you shouldn't need a gram of test to see gains unless you're at your genetic limits (which you obviously aren't).

From your posts I can tell that you've researched AAS use only minimally. I can't tell you how glad I am that I researched this stuff for a year before starting a cycle. Read, learn, and use the search function on multiple boards (not just this one) before you even think about starting another cycle (let alone using insulin). Not intended to be a flame, but I know how eager I was at 19 to be huge so I want to help steer you clear of the pitfalls of teenage ambition.

One last note: I refuse to take advice from anyone who refers to the measurement of insulin in IU's.
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You should post more...
I´m confused about your remark on insulin and IU...what do you mean? The fact that the TYPE of insulin is not being specified?
 
Thanks for the encouragement, Rio :) I usually get so wrapped up in reading various threads that, before I know it, it's time for bed. Regarding the insulin... insulin is measured in units, not iu's.
 
You are quite right. I forget that my sense of humor can be hard to pick up on at times... what I meant was that it is my personal preference (and that of most of the medical community) that insulin dosages be stated in units rather than the abbreviated IU's. A lot of prescriptions for insulin for diabetics were written with sloppy handwriting ("IU" was interpreted for "10") and resulted in bad things for the patients, so nowadays it is generally accepted that "units" be used. Lilly uses this standard on their insulin. Sorry for the confusion.
 
jimmyjones is a fuckin idiot. this has got to be the worst thread ive ever seen here. NO YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKING INSULIN YOU ARE 19 YEARS OLD WITH ONE FUCKING CYCLE UNDER YOUR BELT. wait til youve got 15 or 20 cycles experiences. it'll still be there. this is bullshit how jimmyjones goes on ramblin about how safe it is and shit. hes gonna fuckin kill someone with his advice.

bro if you are not happy with the gains from AAS alone after your first cycle then you are doing something wrong.
 
big pump,
sorry to jump on the wagon but obviously everyone here is concerned about the decision you are making or have made and thats the reason why we are giving you shit. it seems like you keep defending your decision in hopes to get someone to co-sign for you. if you did any reading on cycles or doses you would know not to do that amount. you cant go into juice blindly, especially not insuline in addition. your not giving yourself any room for error here. learn as you go man. i did a 400mg a week of deca for my first cycle and i was happy. dont rush into this or your gonna get fucked up.
 
hey big pump , its all about lifting super heavy, low reps. pound the living shit out of those muscles .

1gram of test + 4500cals at 170lb.. im sure u gained shit load sof muscle mass but u know what makes muscles look big is water.

are u glycogen supercompensated?.
how much protein daily? and carbs?

u gained 25-lbs? . i assume half of that is water 12lb of water
remaining 12lb are a mixture of lean muscle mass and fat.
i dont think u added much fat.

so id say a solid 8-9 pound of PURE MUSCLE MASS and remaining is fat.

u know 9lb of pure muscle is immense. makes u look double ur previous size.

if u dontlook double. or something then u may have gained only like 6lb muscle 6lb fat (from those 12lb).

taking insulin will increase gains dramatically and halt all catabolic hormones.

insulin basically will SHOVE ALL PROTEIN AMINO ACIDS into muscle cells by force and upregulate all kind of shit.

so insulin for transport of proteins + steroids for increased sythesis = mega gains.

without insulin, u wont have the transport to bring ur proteins to ur muscle cells properly even with steroids.

u need insulin to trnasport everything at ur super high protein sythesis rate that ur getting from 1gram of test. and masive protein intake.

it only cost like 20$

just need like 10iu twice a day or so . or once a day should be enough.

humalog preferrably cuz its faster acting but do ur research
 
Holy shit......how fucked up.

JimmyJonesJunior shut the fuck up! You just advised this kid to take 20ius of slin a day and didn't even talk about needing proper carb intake along with it etc.

Just fuck off you idiot.
 
big pumper said:
hey bro's, i just turned 19 and i am on my first cycle. it consists of dbol 35mg a day (done with these as of today), and 1g test a week (it is BDL homebrew so im doing a little extra incase its underdosed). i am about to start week 5, and my results are decent, im up 25lbs, some fat some muscle. i have been eating bwx25 btw.

im wondering about adding slin to my next cycle, since its not an aas i dont think it would be any more dangerous for a 19 year old to use than anyonesle, but i wanted to know what others think. i am not really impressed with the size i have gotten of 1g of test, and week 5 is about to start and my cycle will be half way done.

thank.s
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It is people like you that give AS such a bad name. Think a little bit before using such high doses and skewered logic.

Since slin is not AS, it can't be that bad for me? Crystal meth isn
t AS either...it'll cut you up REAL good.



Fucking children
 
JimmyJonesJunior, I think you have a lot to learn.....and obviously not very knowledgeable on any of the subject matter that you've brought forth. Your ideas will put you on a crash course for trouble in the future......If you don't believe me, I've got some Red Koolaid I can sell you!!!
 
DRRman said:
JimmyJonesJunior, your comments on this subject or not very appropriate, insulin has fucked up many bodybuilders and it can have a very negative impact on the pancreas. ITs not NEARLY as easy to use insulin as you are trying to make it out to be.

If its so damn easy and so safe, why aren't you using it, every remark you make is about "my friend' or "my bro"

Insulin is not something for the amatuer bodybuilder and is definitely something that takes care and LOTS or research. I'm sure you'll fire back at me and call me an idiot or whatever, i've been on this board for 4 years, you for 2 months, i've seen the stories and i've seen the experiences, so be cautious on offering your haphazard advice so freely
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THis man has his head on straight. Thank you!

Karma
 
JimmyJonesJunior said:
i disagree. Slin is not more dangerous than roids. infact its safer.

Slin abused and used badly=death
steroids abused and used badly= massive side effects like hair gone, gyno ,prostate cancer etcc

its hard to fuck up on insulin.

and it will give you 0 side effects no hair loss nothing. and more powerful than dbol .

as long as u know what u are doing ur way more than fine.

my friend does insulin he says its a joke, he never did roids cuz he dont want the side effects from roids.

he does 7.5iu with lots of protein and carbs only if he goes hypo.

he uses humalin-r

he never went hypo.

now hes doing 7.5 iu twice a day with lots of protein and carbs only if he feels hypo.

as long as u dont exceed 15iu-20iu a day ull be fine
never do lots of slin at the same time. split doses and take carbs if u feel hypo and ur fine.
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It's easy to, and I've heard of a few cases that people who start cycling with insuling, make themselves diabetic. It's the same idea as steroids......you're body is getting really high levels of insulin, and shuts down it's natural production. I'd suggest just slam a bunch of sugar.....like mixed w/ orange juice after a solid workout......much safer. And yes, slin is much more dangerous than roids.

-rvd_brock
 
rvd_brock said:


It's easy to, and I've heard of a few cases that people who start cycling with insuling, make themselves diabetic. It's the same idea as steroids......you're body is getting really high levels of insulin, and shuts down it's natural production. I'd suggest just slam a bunch of sugar.....like mixed w/ orange juice after a solid workout......much safer. And yes, slin is much more dangerous than roids.

-rvd_brock
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you really have no idea what your talkin about do you?
 
THERE IS SO MUCH IGNORANCE ON THIS FUCKING THREAD IT'S PATHETIC. IF YOU'RE UNSURE OF THE ACCURACY OF YOUR INFO, DONT POST.


15-20 IUS of insulin and "only taking carbs when you feel hypo" is the worst fucking advice I've ever heard on this board you stupid piece of shit. I'm going to request you be banned for this extreme degree of idiocy.

 
Frackal said:
THERE IS SO MUCH IGNORANCE ON THIS FUCKING THREAD IT'S PATHETIC. IF YOU'RE UNSURE OF THE ACCURACY OF YOUR INFO, DONT POST.


15-20 IUS of insulin and "only taking carbs when you feel hypo" is the worst fucking advice I've ever heard on this board you stupid piece of shit. I'm going to request you be banned for this extreme degree of idiocy.

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And I would back you up.

Karma frackal:)
 
I think some of what jimmyjonesjunior is saying is true, I'm running slin at like 5-6 iu per day, taking in like 12g protein per iu.. and that's a breeze, no signs of being hypo..

nway, certain amino acids will convert to glucose (gluocogenesis) and regulate blood sugar.. they'll be a little low, but it's safe at sane dosages I think.

I've had 0 problems, and gaining muscle.

using humalin-r that is.

I do think however, not insulin in particular, but a lot of things.. bodybuilders tend to overexaggerate about the dangers of them... this has been my experience, perhaps good though.. because then people that maybe don't know very much about them.. will do some research first.. so that they don't jump in totally unprepared.. anyway.. I think most things are safe as long as you take reasonable precautions and willing to accept any possible risks.
 
Listen to the guys here and research a little bit more before ur next cycle, despite what you think a gram is a large amount.

Jimmy Jones your pretty funny, stupid but funny. If the kid doesnt relize that what this guy is saying is ridiculous then its his own ass.
 
Frackal said:
THERE IS SO MUCH IGNORANCE ON THIS FUCKING THREAD IT'S PATHETIC. IF YOU'RE UNSURE OF THE ACCURACY OF YOUR INFO, DONT POST.


15-20 IUS of insulin and "only taking carbs when you feel hypo" is the worst fucking advice I've ever heard on this board you stupid piece of shit. I'm going to request you be banned for this extreme degree of idiocy.

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hey you dumb shit, my friend does 10iu on low carb protein only he never goes hypo.

my diabetic friend does 20iu she feels hypo takes a 5gram glucose tablet, shes fine.


so stop exagerating u dumb pieces of shit

roidheads
 
JimmyJonesJunior said:
hey you dumb shit, my friend does 10iu on low carb protein only he never goes hypo.

my diabetic friend does 20iu she feels hypo takes a 5gram glucose tablet, shes fine.


so stop exagerating u dumb pieces of shit

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Bro, first of you need to chill. This board is about discussion and not about fighting.

As for your theories, I will agree that slin can be very safe if it is well thought out and taking intelligently and correctly. The problem with your posts is that you are generalizing. You cant tell people (and in this case a person that should not be taking anything at all, imo) that its safe to take 10-15ius and just watch it with carbs. While it is true that if you are taking high levels of slin, and keep dextrose on hand, you can kinda save yourself by drinking the dextrose as you fell hypo, this is not advice you want to give to people.

I know may pros that do a hell of a lot more slin than that, and yes the basically sit on a 10-20lb jug of dextrose all day drinking it as they get hypo. But these are people that have the experience and knowledge to protect themselves, not to mention doctors and such to supervise them.

Bottom line is this, while on a discussion board you need to think BEFORE you respond so that you are not giving advice to someone that could KILL them. If a 19 year old kid took 15ius of slin and just waited to take a glucose tab when he felt hypo, he would probably die in the long run in insulin shock.

Please think first, then type. Thanks.

P.S. If your friend is only taking protien and carbs if he goes hypo as you said, your friend needs to do much more research. The whole point of slin is to puch as much possible carbs and protien into your muscles as possible. By only taking things when he feels hypo he is kinda defeating the whole purpose of slin. Also, he is taking the wrong kind of slin for bodybuilders to take. He should be taking humalog as it works faster postworkout and last for 4 hours so that you can better regulate symptoms.
 
no he takes massive protein with insulin

he limits carbs to only when he goes hypo. which is easy to detect

if he feels hypo he takes a sip of pepsi or whatever, and it goes away no need to gulp down 300grams of carbs for nothing.

but protein is always massive during slin.

and the body can pump up massive amounts of glucose in conversion from protein if he goes hypo at a high rate..

he liver can produce like 10 grams of glucose from injested protein within seconds if he goes hypo.

i know this frmo experience. as i did oral insulin blood sugar went from 70 to 50mg/dl then seconds later went to 75 then down to 52
etcc

erratic but point is , liver can pump shit at high gear.

nway protein always high during slin and dextrose when hypo occurs(10grams of dextrose sufficient to halt the hypo) if it comes back another 10grams
etc.
 
damn bro, you are comparing 20 iu's of insulin and your experience on " oral insulin". You obviously don't know what you are talking about, what if this kid shoots 10 iu's, gets in his car to drive home and didn't have his "pepsi or glucose" tabs in the seat with him? You are a very poor advisor for insulin, and a very poor advisor for anyone on this board. Just because your "oral insulin" experience, and your buddy's experience popping his glucose tab and taking a sip of pepsi all went well, that doesn't mean shit. I have done insulin and i damn near died once. If it wasn't for my roommate coming in and shaking my ass i probably would have, and yes, i took in IMMENSE amounts of protein and plenty of carbs, but i laid down and accidentally fell asleep only to be awaken and realize something didn't work right that time. Carbs, proteins, and fats are not metabolized the same everytime you eat them, and your liver isn't "TOUGH" enough as you say to just fix your body everytime hypo sets in. You have definitely shown your ignorance throughout this entire thread.
 
Terd said:
If you wait till yo feel hypo it might be to late.
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exactly
 
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