Sleep and muscle growth

[markshark]

I hear ya... makes sense. But can your body recover at all while NOT in deep sleep? It seems... if you are relaxed and lying down... that your body is resting. Your mind may not be... but your body is.

--Techbaseball

i have the same problems. deep sleep releases growth hormone. i think theres a 4 hour period there where growth hormone is released and i think its in either level 3 or 4 sleep. plus less sleep = more cortisol which can really fuck gains up. thats why i wish i had some ghb....fuck puts u right into deep sleep...shit u only need 4-5 hours max on that shit.

 

[markshark]

They say during rem sleep your body secretes more GH and LH. Not sure about all the biology part of it, but rem sleep is important for recovery. Thats why there seems to be a cult of people who take sleeping pills. Not me, I'd get addicted. LOl

BOOGS

yea im a member of that cult bro.

 

[Vertigo]

I can't let this one go.

Normal sleep architecture involves several complex factors but I'll make an attempt to explain in laymans terms. First, you can't choose how you progress throughout the sleep phase. The norm is a progression from sleep onset (3rd epoch of stage 1 or 1st epoch of stage 2) along a continuim thru stage 2 into stage 3, then 4 (stage 3 & 4=Delta). This progression usually takes approximately 90 minutes, followed by a change to REM, and finally a short arousal. This pattern is repeated throughout the night in 90 minutes intervals with increasing REM period durations. The final REM period being the longest and lasting 30-60 minutes. Architecture can be altered by many factors, including pyschological stress, medications, alcohol, pain, etc. To clarify REM vs non-REM sleep. REM sleep is recognized by R&K parameters as low ampitude mixed frequency EEG with atonia and skeletal muscle paralysis. Non-REM sleep is a mixture of EEG activity, including slow rolling eye movements and deceleration of frequency in the occipital lobes during stage 1, K complexes and spindles in stage 2, and high amplitude slow frequency waves in Delta. During the sleep process many biochemical changes take place most of which are to complicated to describe in this venue.

My suggestion to anyone wanting to optimize the regulation of nocturnal hormonal production and healthy sleep is to stay on schedule. First and foremost, stay away from sleep aids, OTC or prescription. Go to bed at the same time every night, sleep the same hours every night, and get up at the same time. On awakening, immediately expose yourself to bright sunlight to decrease melatonin levels.

 

[schneiderc2004]

We all know that sleep is imprtant for recovery and grow. If stress gets to you, try some relaxation techniques (deep breathing), and relaxing herbs prior to going to bed (sleepytime, or chamomile tea). Deep sleep is where most recovery and growth occurs. If you nap and can't get a deep sleep, I wouldn't worry too much, at least you are resting your body, and you'll feel the difference.

 

[paridhm]

You body recovers the most in the REM stage of sleep.... The stage where dreams occure and your body is completely out ... try and get better sleep bro

I thought you gained the most during the Delta Sleep phase.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

i dont think so, because many people used GHB for sleep and for recovery. so i wouldnt think it affects it. because the reason for sleep aids are to force u to sleep, and the reason for that is so u can get rest. if sleeping aids impaired recovery, than they're pretty much useless.

to the OP, i would think that it depends on what you did during the day to determine what kind of sleep is sufficient in the night. for example, if u went to work (physical labour), then came home and then went to the gym, then had to do someother activities thats require more energy. then i think you need some 'good ol' deep sleep, to recover from ure daily activities. but if u did nothing all day, except sit on ure ass and watched tv, then how many muscle tissues would u need to recover? not too many, lol. either way though, i try to get 8 hours every night and take naps here and there, just to be on the safe side. i notice when i nap for 1-2 hours then hit the gym, my performance is improved and my pumps are insane.

GHB is used as a rec drug.. You cant honestly tell me that people are using it for sleep. Everyone that I knew that was using it, wasnt taking naps with it.. I thought the stuff was sh*t.. Had friends that overdosed, a few almost died, and one did.

 

[markshark]

GHB is used as a rec drug.. You cant honestly tell me that people are using it for sleep. Everyone that I knew that was using it, wasnt taking naps with it.. I thought the stuff was sh*t.. Had friends that overdosed, a few almost died, and one did.

most people dont use it for sleep because they are ravers and junkies but im sure there are plenty in the bbing community that do. shit if i could get my hands on it i would use it for sleep. im not a person that enjoys getting high but if its gonna help my gains then fuck i could care less if i die tomorrow.

 

[Vertigo]

The only time skeletal muscle is fully at rest is during REM associated atonia. The neural synapse to all muscle (except smooth muscle) is blocked biochemically to prevent locomotion. When this built-in safety mechanism malfunctions it can be described as a parasomnia. Sleep walking is one example, REM Behavior Disorder is another. The dreams that occur during REM sleep are propagated from the anterior surface of the medulla and can be alluded to as psychotic episodes. The brain has miraculously adapted to the phenomenon by paralyzing us to prevent acting out on the subjective reality of the dream. Although it is entirely possible, I've seen no conclusive evidence that muscle growth occurs more during one particular stage of sleep verses another. Also note that sleep is a continuim of a 24 hour cycle that still is not fully understood. Alteration of the normal patterns inherently given us by nature can only complicate things. In other terms, you're already taking AAS, don't fuck with your sleep too!

 

[LT3]

GHB is used as a rec drug.. You cant honestly tell me that people are using it for sleep. Everyone that I knew that was using it, wasnt taking naps with it.. I thought the stuff was sh*t.. Had friends that overdosed, a few almost died, and one did.

it used to be sold at nutrition stores bro as a sleep aid i believe. i personally wouldnt use it. i dont really see the benefit. but im pretty sure that apart from the ravers and whatnot, theres people that used it or still use it as a recovery method. cant say i;d agree with its use, but there are people that do it.

 

[Phys PhD]

The only time skeletal muscle is fully at rest is during REM associated atonia. The neural synapse to all muscle (except smooth muscle) is blocked biochemically to prevent locomotion. When this built-in safety mechanism malfunctions it can be described as a parasomnia. Sleep walking is one example, REM Behavior Disorder is another.

Blocked biochemically?! So, if someone wakes you up in this state you will be temporarily paralyzed?! I'll believe this one when you cite your source. Bottom line, "a significant portion of the total daily growth hormone (GH) secretion is associated with deep non-REM sleep (NREMS)" (Obal F Jr, Krueger JM, 2004). We all know GH is important in anabolism and catabolism of skeletal muscle...enough said.