Sleep and muscle growth

[KD1]

You body recovers the most in the REM stage of sleep.... The stage where dreams occure and your body is completely out ... try and get better sleep bro

Ive heard different actually. That your body needs "Deep Sleep" which is the stage deeper than REM.

Also, kinda OT, but why do I get paralized sometimes in my sleep? Like I will hear a noise or something and I want to get out of bed but I cant move. But I can crack my eyes open. Only happens once a year or something but it sucks.

 

[markshark]

Ive heard different actually. That your body needs "Deep Sleep" which is the stage deeper than REM.

Also, kinda OT, but why do I get paralized sometimes in my sleep? Like I will hear a noise or something and I want to get out of bed but I cant move. But I can crack my eyes open. Only happens once a year or something but it sucks.

sleep paralysis. ive gotten it. ill be awake and dreaming at the same time, cant move or breathe, and have to kick a leg constantly to wake up.

 

[Vertigo]

Blocked biochemically?! So, if someone wakes you up in this state you will be temporarily paralyzed?! I'll believe this one when you cite your source. Bottom line, "a significant portion of the total daily growth hormone (GH) secretion is associated with deep non-REM sleep (NREMS)" (Obal F Jr, Krueger JM, 2004). We all know GH is important in anabolism and catabolism of skeletal muscle...enough said.

In simplistic terms yes, but not always. Sleep paralysis is not uncommon. Here is a link that will better explain the fundamentals of REM and atonia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement Note that the process is chemical in nature. Neurotransmitters, monoamines are biochemically repsonsible for atonia. Antidepressants (SRI's) are notorius for changing serotonin and significantly decreasing or eliminating REM sleep.

Normal sleep is a Ying/Yang, you can't have Delta without REM and vice versa. BTW, I never referred to Growth Hormone since the use of AAS doesn't necessarily have any direct effect on GH levels but are more likely to act on protein systhesis in seketal muscle. Unfortunately I know of no know advisable methodolgy to increase Delta sleep in the mature adult. Nor would it probably be wise. Imagine the same methods used to keep AAS use in equilbrium, Supratestosterone administration requires AAI to prevent gyno, etc. The chemical mechanism involved in sleep is much more complex. But I'm just a juicer, what do I know......

 

[markshark]

In simplistic terms yes, but not always. Sleep paralysis is not uncommon. Here is a link that will better explain the fundamentals of REM and atonia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid_eye_movement Note that the process is chemical in nature. Neurotransmitters, monoamines are biochemically repsonsible for atonia. Antidepressants (SRI's) are notorius for changing serotonin and significantly decreasing or eliminating REM sleep.

Normal sleep is a Ying/Yang, you can't have Delta without REM and vice versa. BTW, I never referred to Growth Hormone since the use of AAS doesn't necessarily have any direct effect on GH levels but are more likely to act on protein systhesis in seketal muscle. Unfortunately I know of no know advisable methodolgy to increase Delta sleep in the mature adult. Nor would it probably be wise. Imagine the same methods used to keep AAS use in equilbrium, Supratestosterone administration requires AAI to prevent gyno, etc. The chemical mechanism involved in sleep is much more complex. But I'm just a juicer, what do I know......

u seem to know a lot about this...would u say that the fact that cortisol build up from lack of sleep would be worse for the gains or just not getting deep enough sleep to release gh? i was just curious because ive heard of a drug called nubain that supposedly can block cortisol or reduce it greatly so if using something like that maybe lack of sleep wouldnt be quite AS bad...still not good.

 

[vitamix]

GHB is used as a rec drug.. You cant honestly tell me that people are using it for sleep. Everyone that I knew that was using it, wasnt taking naps with it.. I thought the stuff was sh*t.. Had friends that overdosed, a few almost died, and one did.

Google Xyrem

 

[Vertigo]

I don't feel that any interventional method to alter sleep is appropriate. I stated in an earlier post that the best method of sleep hygene is routine. Don't change your sleep pattern. Train you brain just like you train your body. Go to bed at the same time very night, get up at the same time every morning. Do it religiosly. Don't stay up on the weekend and party til friggen dawn. If you're doing a cycle and busting ass for 12 weeks, then optimize your potential by sleeping the best you can. Don't take a damn Valium or Xanax at bedtime cause you think you'll sleep better. You'll might get a little more Delta that night but the next night you may have REM rebound. Think of sleep as a bank account with portions spread out into checking, saving and escrow. You can move amounts around but not necessarily be able to use them to their full potential. If you deplete one you have to tap into another. But like I said, I'm just a evil steriod abuser, what do I know.....

 

[Techbaseball]

Great responses... thank you all. I don't have problems sleeping... just curious about what kind of sleep you need to build muscle. Plenty of answers now.

Here's another one for you sleep experts..... I typically wake up naturally after about 6 1/2 hours of sleep.... now.... do i get up... or do i lay in bed and try to get 8-10? I probably wont be able to hit REM again... but will just lay there relaxed.

--Techbaseball

 

[chestmaster1]

GHB is used as a rec drug.. You cant honestly tell me that people are using it for sleep. Everyone that I knew that was using it, wasnt taking naps with it.. I thought the stuff was sh*t.. Had friends that overdosed, a few almost died, and one did.

GHB is a safe drug, the only thing is that the dosing is very sensitive, usually 1 or 2 capfulls is all you need, and it is for that reason people who party with it try to push their limits and end up going to far. Also GHB mixed with a tiny bit of alcohol can be very dangerous, and it is for that reason that it has been used as a date rape drug

 

[GymIntensity]

GHB is used to "party" with, but also, it is used to build muscle. It used to be legal to buy, actually at a local gnc. Far as I know the Delta Stage 2 is the sleep where you gain most muscle and for a normal person it takes around 6 to 7 hours to get there, but while taking GHB before bed, you actually get to the delta stage within 1 or 2 hours therefore building mass amounts of muscle. Ive got a friend that tried some whenever it was still legal and gained 30lbs off of it. But to answer your question, 2 or 3 1 hour cat naps arent going to benefit you as much as a full 8 hours

 

[markshark]

GHB is used to "party" with, but also, it is used to build muscle. It used to be legal to buy, actually at a local gnc. Far as I know the Delta Stage 2 is the sleep where you gain most muscle and for a normal person it takes around 6 to 7 hours to get there, but while taking GHB before bed, you actually get to the delta stage within 1 or 2 hours therefore building mass amounts of muscle. Ive got a friend that tried some whenever it was still legal and gained 30lbs off of it. But to answer your question, 2 or 3 1 hour cat naps arent going to benefit you as much as a full 8 hours

yea i heard ghb was the shit. i tried gettin the doc to get me xyrem but he wouldnt let it fly. he barely gives me 30 lunesta a month....meanwhile i know people that get 120 klons and xanax's every month because they have "anxiety".