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^^^ people watch their friends get huge so they ask what they are on. guys i work with ask me that all the time. "what are you on? what do you eat?" they think its about what you put in the body.. they don't know that I get up at 5am every morning and spend 90 minutes in the gym.
i try to explain that to them but they don't want to accept it. so they think if they just inject steroids they will build muscle magically.
i try to explain that to them but they don't want to accept it. so they think if they just inject steroids they will build muscle magically.
thanks for those pics.. i think you are in good shape, and headed in the right direction but i would hate for you to screw up your progress gambling on tren this early in your lifting years and end up like your buddy shutdown and not knowing what to do.
as for the test cycle, dont worry about water weight right now. or like radar said grab some forma. i used it myself and it did a good job for me.
i would run test 500mg/week for 8 weeks. a long esther. you can even kickstart it with beastdrol (no water weight with that) 20mg ED for the first 3 weeks.
during cycle run hcg 250iu's every 4 days weeks 3-8. then raise it to 750iu-1000iu every 4 days from weeks 8-11. then i like to run 2 doses of HMG (this is optional but highly recommended).. then run clomid at 12.5-25mg ED for 4 weeks. then you can run your natty boosters like unleashed for another month. i guarantee you that you will put on a solid 10-15 pounds on this cycle and you will feel good and will recover with this PCT i am giving you. you will probably run your cycle and PCT and be recovered faster then your tren buddy will! and then by then his gains will be gone and you will be kicking his ass in the gym
since you already have nolva i suppose you can substitute nolva for clomid, but i still like clomid better.
a 2nd cycle you can throw in primo, masteron, something like that. then a 3rd or 4th cycle if you feel like you are ready and really think you have hit a barrier then you can run deca or tren. low doses though and see how you react. recovery is the key here, dont run tren or deca without experience.. cause like i've said many times you don't want to end up shutdown after cycle and clueless as to what to do.
and lastly wait till you have everything on hand before starting your cycle..your hcg and PCT products you can get from rxprohub our sponsor... got me my stuff fast so i endorse them. rxhealthdrugs are good too. and unleashed you can get from our other sponsor needto
any questions feel free to PM me and make sure you come back and let us know before and after pics.
as for the test cycle, dont worry about water weight right now. or like radar said grab some forma. i used it myself and it did a good job for me.
i would run test 500mg/week for 8 weeks. a long esther. you can even kickstart it with beastdrol (no water weight with that) 20mg ED for the first 3 weeks.
during cycle run hcg 250iu's every 4 days weeks 3-8. then raise it to 750iu-1000iu every 4 days from weeks 8-11. then i like to run 2 doses of HMG (this is optional but highly recommended).. then run clomid at 12.5-25mg ED for 4 weeks. then you can run your natty boosters like unleashed for another month. i guarantee you that you will put on a solid 10-15 pounds on this cycle and you will feel good and will recover with this PCT i am giving you. you will probably run your cycle and PCT and be recovered faster then your tren buddy will! and then by then his gains will be gone and you will be kicking his ass in the gym
since you already have nolva i suppose you can substitute nolva for clomid, but i still like clomid better.
a 2nd cycle you can throw in primo, masteron, something like that. then a 3rd or 4th cycle if you feel like you are ready and really think you have hit a barrier then you can run deca or tren. low doses though and see how you react. recovery is the key here, dont run tren or deca without experience.. cause like i've said many times you don't want to end up shutdown after cycle and clueless as to what to do.
and lastly wait till you have everything on hand before starting your cycle..your hcg and PCT products you can get from rxprohub our sponsor... got me my stuff fast so i endorse them. rxhealthdrugs are good too. and unleashed you can get from our other sponsor needto
any questions feel free to PM me and make sure you come back and let us know before and after pics.
jmat2407
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I think you are being very optimistic there. Can he expect a 10-20 gain in weight? Sure. Will that weight appear to be all lean gains? Sure
But no one over ~190 lbs is putting on anywhere near 20 pounds of actual muscle in a ten week period from 500mg test/week.
I'd say 10, maybe 15 if all is perfect. - Again I'm referring to actual gains in lbm not overall weight.
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