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Has this happened to anyone. Total amount of throid used was 200 25mcg tabs. 
Shut down after a 12 week T3 cycle?
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Wait up! you used what?! Please tell me you used 25mcg per day for those 12 weeks.
lawnsaver
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skunkworks said:Has this happened to anyone. Total amount of throid used was 200 25mcg tabs.
How do you know you are shut down?? How long have you been off?
Maybe you are just suppressed, and need to recover. You were supposed to taper the T3, even at only 25mcg per day. You should have split the pills and/or went EOD for a while.
skunkworks
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Its a friend of mine I just would like to know if anyone shut down their thyroid and what type of dosing pattern caused this to happen.I'm supprised to hear it being shut down with25mcg a day for 12 weeks, aren't people using alot more than this especially competitive bodybuilders?
Gigantasor
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My thyroid has been shutdown since I was a young kid. It happend like this. I was overweight and my family did not have insurance. My mom took me to a doctor who simply looked at me and diagnosed me as being hypothyroid. I have no idea if that was correct as I can't recall having any blood work done. I took the medication until my mom could not afford to buy it any more, about 3-4 months I guess. After that I stopped taking it.
When I was 20 I started gaining weight like mad. I couldn't figure out what was happening. I was fit and in shape but by the time I was 21 I had gained near 90 lbs, most of it fat. I had an idea it was related to my thyroid but it had never been a problem before.
I had some blood work done and bingo Hypothroidism. Turns out that it was very likely that it was caused by the doc who perscribed the meds to me in the first place without having done the blood work but was not an issue due to increased hormone levels durring puberty.
No way to know now cause they can't determine what caused it to go bunk but there are a lot of professionals I have spoken with who believe the same thing. End result. I am taking 200mcg of T3 daily just to stay normal. I have to work my ass off doing cardio just to get the same results someone doing half the work gets.
Dosing patters? I'm not sure how much I was taking but it wasn't a lot and it got me pretty bad. My thyroid is basically shutdown on a permanent basis. It still functions to some small extent but without the extra T3 my body goes to hell no matter how hard I work.
Tell your buddy to get checked. If his thyroid is trashed he is in a no win situation and needs professional assistance. Messing with the thyroid is a bad idea if you are not very, very careful. The repercussions are often extreamly bad if you screw it up.
Late,
Gig
When I was 20 I started gaining weight like mad. I couldn't figure out what was happening. I was fit and in shape but by the time I was 21 I had gained near 90 lbs, most of it fat. I had an idea it was related to my thyroid but it had never been a problem before.
I had some blood work done and bingo Hypothroidism. Turns out that it was very likely that it was caused by the doc who perscribed the meds to me in the first place without having done the blood work but was not an issue due to increased hormone levels durring puberty.
No way to know now cause they can't determine what caused it to go bunk but there are a lot of professionals I have spoken with who believe the same thing. End result. I am taking 200mcg of T3 daily just to stay normal. I have to work my ass off doing cardio just to get the same results someone doing half the work gets.
Dosing patters? I'm not sure how much I was taking but it wasn't a lot and it got me pretty bad. My thyroid is basically shutdown on a permanent basis. It still functions to some small extent but without the extra T3 my body goes to hell no matter how hard I work.
Tell your buddy to get checked. If his thyroid is trashed he is in a no win situation and needs professional assistance. Messing with the thyroid is a bad idea if you are not very, very careful. The repercussions are often extreamly bad if you screw it up.
Late,
Gig
scriptfactory
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How does 200mg of T3 keep you normal. That is way, WAY above a normal person's T3 production. Even people with hyperthyroidism don't have that much T3 running through their bodies. Also, doctor's don't usually prescribe T3 to people with hypothyroidism, they use T4.
Yes, you are shut down.
Most individuals produce approx 10mcg of Free T3 per day - taking 25mcg of T3 that attenuates within the body in 4 hours WILL shut you down. You will recover in a few weeks, but your thyroid will likely not be at the level it once was, and you can verify this through bloodwork. Your T4 will likely be high, T3 low, and TSH high.
This has been my experience. My thyroid is not working as well (verified through blood tests) since taking T3, and I do regret it. I've recovered but its not optimal-
Optimal and youthful range for TSH is between 1 and 2. Upon testing it was higher, and I don't convert T4 to T3 properly anymore....
Edit: I was only taking 20-40mcg of Tertroxin T3 per day in conjunction with ECA.
Most individuals produce approx 10mcg of Free T3 per day - taking 25mcg of T3 that attenuates within the body in 4 hours WILL shut you down. You will recover in a few weeks, but your thyroid will likely not be at the level it once was, and you can verify this through bloodwork. Your T4 will likely be high, T3 low, and TSH high.
This has been my experience. My thyroid is not working as well (verified through blood tests) since taking T3, and I do regret it. I've recovered but its not optimal-
Optimal and youthful range for TSH is between 1 and 2. Upon testing it was higher, and I don't convert T4 to T3 properly anymore....
Edit: I was only taking 20-40mcg of Tertroxin T3 per day in conjunction with ECA.
scriptfactory said:
That is because they are idiots. All they care about is getting blood tests in the normal range, and they don't even pay attention to the Free T3 blood test. Some people cannot properly convert T4 to T3 (espeically ones that have abused stimulants or thyroid hormone) and T4 will do absolutely no good.
Hell, most endo's don't even test for T4 and T3 - just TSH. Of course TSH can be in the normal range while T3 will be absurdly low.
skunkworks
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Is their anything theat can help restore the bodies natural throid output?
SlimJim300
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That's some scary stuff.
What I can't understand though is that in all of Author L. Rea's experience, he has yet to find a case of permenent thyroid gland dysfunction due to synthetic thyroid hormone abuse. He supposedly has a lot of experience. Either guys like Gigantasor unfortunately have a "natural" case of hypothyroidism, or Author Rea is full of shit.
I am not pointing a finger at anyone, but one of those statements has to be true.
What I can't understand though is that in all of Author L. Rea's experience, he has yet to find a case of permenent thyroid gland dysfunction due to synthetic thyroid hormone abuse. He supposedly has a lot of experience. Either guys like Gigantasor unfortunately have a "natural" case of hypothyroidism, or Author Rea is full of shit.
I am not pointing a finger at anyone, but one of those statements has to be true.
JP@Ironology
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Bump.
Gigantasor
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SlimJim300 said:
Slim,
I think you are correct. There is a chance, fairly good actually, that I had a natural case to begin with that was offset by puberty. However, it's one of those things where there is no way to know for sure. All of the professionals I have spoken with, I work in the medical field, have told me that it is possible to shut the thyroid down permanently.
Obviously I'm not an expert on thyroidism though so I often have to take things on face value or on what research I can do myself. I'm interestd in what this Arthur L. Rea has to say. I'll look for some of his material.
If shutdowns or supression happen do you know the typical time frame in which recovery can or does take place?
regards,
Gig
JP@Ironology
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I have never read a study where doses <=50 ug caused permanent shut down.
Does anyone have a study that showed exogenous administration caused permanent shut down?
JP
Does anyone have a study that showed exogenous administration caused permanent shut down?
JP
This is what i'm saying. You WILL NOT be permanantly shut down. BUT YOU WONT BE where you *were*, either. Youthful TSH range is generally between 1-2, which is where I was before cycling T3. After having my blood checked 3 months down the road and while eating a normal diet, it was 3.5 or so. Certainly not anywhere near optimal.
Hey, if you guys want to mess with that shit...fine. But I kinda regret it.
Hey, if you guys want to mess with that shit...fine. But I kinda regret it.
liquidmuscle
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i did 6wks of cytomel on my last cycle and i am ok. what exactly are his symptoms and what else did he use?
bicepts101
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scriptfactory said:
T4 converts to T3
liquidmuscle said:
The symptoms, NONE. Other stuff used, for the most part, NONE.
BLOODTEST RESULTS REVEALED PROBLEMS.
I don't care how you feel, that doesn't mean that you've fully recovered to pre-treatment thyroid levels. Look, i'm not saying that you'll become hypothyroid form using the stuff. It is possible, but not likely. But like using steroids, having your thyroid hormone levels return to the level they were prior to treatment is not likely.
liquidmuscle
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i do get bloodwork done. if doesnt have any symptoms then why are you worried and if he is that worried about dont ask a bunch of bbr's the question ask a fucking doc you dumbass
liquidmuscle said:
That is quite frankly, the most idiodic thing i have EVER heard here. Yeah, who cares if your metabolism is fucked even though there are no obvious symptoms? Who cares if you are more likely to BECOME hypo at a later age?
The discussion doesn't stop with the thyroid either, are you suggesting we ignore a problem if we don't feel any side effects (like say..high BP).
Gimme a break.
liquidmuscle
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just get bloodwork done and lets be done with this thread
scriptfactory
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Did I say it doesn't? But the body converts T4 to T3 which is supposedly better for you thyroid as opposed to taking straight T3 as your body thinks it's producing more T4.bicepts101 said:
scriptfactory said:
People with Euthroid sickness syndrome (and a lot of people who have abused stimulants fall in this category) do not convert T4 to T3 optimally in the liver. So taking T4 is not better in all cases, and like all endogenously produced hormones, there is a negative feedback loop which means that if you take synthetic t4 you will surpress exogenous t4 and cause further problems.
People with ESS have a TSH and T4 in the normal range, while Free T3 will be low.
poantrex said:
I have warned aginst long term T3 use for years. It will shut you down and is often permanent. I use only 12.5mg for 2 weeks when contest dieting at the end only. You are correct about docs looking at ranges and not testing T3...maybe they should see if an obese person who is dieting and on T4 but still not losing weight may just possibly lose on T3 if they lack the ability to convert T4 to T3 enzymatically.
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