Should I lower tren dose

[booSTIn24]

Currently at 450mg/week tren e and 250mg/test. Here's my sides from the tren... Edgy, anxious, jealous, sweat more during the day and finally, my heart beat is elevated. The only side effect I'm worried about is my heart beat being elevated when I'm sitting or laying down. It's not beating crazy fast or anything but it's definitely elevated. This happen to you guys on tren? Should I lower my dose?

 

[polarbear1134]

Did you work up to that dose or just jump to that level?
What is your elevated heart rate? # per min.
Almost every pharmacy has a free BP and pulse test station you can use if you don't own one.

 

[booSTIn24]

Did you work up to that dose or just jump to that level?
What is your elevated heart rate? # per min.
Almost every pharmacy has a free BP and pulse test station you can use if you don't own one.

I worked up to that dose. This is my first time injection tren. Ive had oral tren in 2 other cycles. But I jumped up kinda quick. I started at 315mg/week and kept that dose to week 4 then went to 360mg/week followed by 450mg/week. My heart beat is like 116bpm and I haven't checked my bp I will after work, my bp is usually spot on tho

 

[booSTIn24]

Did you work up to that dose or just jump to that level?
What is your elevated heart rate? # per min.
Almost every pharmacy has a free BP and pulse test station you can use if you don't own one.

I'm also taking t3, can only get that crappy liquid so I'm taking 80mcg/daily. I'm gonna go down to 50mcg and if that doesn't change my bpm by Sundays injection then I'm gonna down to 405mg/week with the tren

 

[Stackinplates]

Welcome to the common side effects of Tren I would lower your dose and assess happens to me as well Lontrann I found my sweet spot is about 350 I don't like going above that because the side effects just not worth the reward for me heart rate side effect I get from Tren but ultimately when I'm on Tren I noticed my heartbeat even more

 

[Stackinplates]

Yeah dude you really have to bring heart rate down that resting heart rate is horribly high

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

Yeah dude you really have to bring heart rate down that resting heart rate is horribly high

What's his resting rate, all I see is his heart beat? 118bpm isn't horribley high. a mans average is between 60-90 or so, womans 90-120 if not mistaken. we need s/d data.

 

[Stackinplates]

I must've missed read that I gathered that is resting rate was over 118 and that's not good

And yes ranges vary but my resting rate all the time is 70

If I'm resting at 118
You better believe I notice a difference it's very uncomfortable and not fun feeling to be in

So fuck the charts and graphs and all that normal shit that's like me saying the testosterone charts are accurate

That's like me saying my testosterone is 300 but I'm just fine because I'm in the normal range

What you're explaining to me is that you're probably used to having a much lower heart rate and are trippin right now your body's not used to it it's very uncomfortable nothing that can cause damages but especially when your on tren

Ur anxiety is higher and you freak out over little things as heart rate and pulse
But honestly if ur resting rate is close to 120 and ur used to 60 or 70 ur gonna notice and that's high if ur body does not like it there

If u have never run tren before why ramp it up ? Why did u not stay at 300? Why to up each week one week is not a good indicator for sides to manifest

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

I must've missed read that I gathered that is resting rate was over 100 and that's not good

No brah, your thinking right. I think u are envisioning that a mans heart beat rate is high at 118bpm. Well, that is um, somewhat high for a man whom is not doing a damn thing at the moment. However, it's not like you are thinking in my opinion.

What we really want to be obsessed with in this case would be the s/d numbers, not necessarily the resting bpm rate. And particularly the part of the s/d data that reveals what his resting pressure is. I think this is what you are getting confused with (his resting d rate, not his resting bpm rate).

 

[Stackinplates]

Yes sir u are correct but it's a simple thing here

Never done tren and wants to ramp up dose to soon before he knows how he will react

Tren was my only compound wit test for 3 yrs that's all I cycled cuz I fell in love with it !!!

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

Yes sir u are correct but it's a simple thing here

Never done tren and wants to ramp up dose to soon before he knows how he will react

Tren was my only compound wit test for 3 yrs that's all I cycled cuz I fell in love with it !!!

Ah, yes indeed. Those damn youts (trying to mimic Joe Pesci slang). Well, hopefully he will listen to the vets and not let the juice go to his head (no pun intended).

 

[booSTIn24]

Yes sir u are correct but it's a simple thing here

Never done tren and wants to ramp up dose to soon before he knows how he will react

Tren was my only compound wit test for 3 yrs that's all I cycled cuz I fell in love with it !!!

Here's why I ramped up. Trying a new source this cycle, went 4 weeks and didnt feel anything at all. I started to worry it was underdosed so I ramped up. Now I know tren e can take a while to hit so it's my fault for being impatient. Still not having night sweats or anything terrible. Just my resting heart rate is higher today, had me a little nervous

 

[Stackinplates]

His is why tren ace is a good first choice ability to lower and get sides down fast
Plus u know when sides manifest sooner

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

Here's why I ramped up. Trying a new source this cycle, went 4 weeks and didnt feel anything at all. I started to worry it was underdosed so I ramped up. Now I know tren e can take a while to hit so it's my fault for being impatient. Still not having night sweats or anything terrible. Just my resting heart rate is higher today, had me a little nervous

Fucking a brah. that is the worst thing u could of done. If u don't know what a product is or what its concentration is, NEVER RISK amping up, brah. What if that shit had something in it, that at a higher dose would toxify (poison) the shit out of ya? It would be to late!

 

[booSTIn24]

Fucking a brah. that is the worst thing u could of done. If u don't know what a product is or what its concentration is, NEVER RISK amping up, brah. What if that shit had something in it, that at a higher dose would toxify (poison) the shit out of ya? It would be to late!

Right on. Now that I got the attention of the vets here...is it possible to build muscle while in a calorie deficit on tren. I don't mean get lean and look bigger so you think your building muscle. Lots of ppl say you can but gear is magic, feel like the same rules still apply

 

[booSTIn24]

Fucking a brah. that is the worst thing u could of done. If u don't know what a product is or what its concentration is, NEVER RISK amping up, brah. What if that shit had something in it, that at a higher dose would toxify (poison) the shit out of ya? It would be to late!

Right on. Now that I got the attention of the vets here...is it possible to build muscle while in a calorie deficit on tren. I don't mean get lean and look bigger so you think your building muscle. Lots of ppl say you can but gear is magic, feel like the same rules still apply

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

Right on. Now that I got the attention of the vets here...is it possible to build muscle while in a calorie deficit on tren. I don't mean get lean and look bigger so you think your building muscle. Lots of ppl say you can but gear is magic, feel like the same rules still apply

Well, i'm no vet bro, but i have been screwing around in the game for years.

Lets talk tissue (simplified of course, not on your behalf, but mine. I'm just a poor ole dumb country boy trying to survive). Are we talking hyperplasia or hypertrophy?

 

[booSTIn24]

Well, i'm no vet bro, but i have been screwing around in the game for years.

Lets talk tissue (simplified of course, not on your behalf, but mine. I'm just a poor ole dumb country boy trying to survive). Are we talking hyperplasia or hypertrophy?

I meant to say gear isnt magic

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

I don't mean get lean and look bigger so you think your building muscle. Lots of ppl say you can but gear is magic, feel like the same rules still apply

Well, I do see your point my bro. However, i will go as far as saying gear is the closesit thing to magic. For ex. take a guy who has never geared up in his life, then let him do a mild db ONLY cycle. Guarantee you he will gain weight and strength EVEN IF HE DOESN'T DO SHIT. That's magic in my eyes. See what mean? of course if same individual eats right, lifts right, etc, what will go down?

Anyway, what I wanted to touch with you was your thinking on gaining muscle tissue. You know that we are all born with x amount of muscle tissue. That's right, at birth we have the very same amount of muscle cells that we die with. Now all we can do is either blow those cells up, which give the appearance of more cells, or we can actually add cells. Hyperplasia being addition of cells and hypertrophy being blowing the cells up like a balloon.

Good luck achieving hyperplasia. Even with juice use. Now, when u get into growth hormone, igf-1, etc., then we are talking actually adding muscles cells. However, you have to be careful with this approach due to the fact not only do your muscle cells multiply, but every other cell in your body. Bones, heart, liver, whatever is a cell. So I don't mean to burst the bubble, but keep in mind u really aren't adding muscle cells anyway, unless u are really really down with your game. in other words, it is a bitch to gain actual muscle tissue beyond what u were born with. Does this make any sense my bro? Therefore, I would concentrate for now on figuring out how my own body works with diet, training, sleep, etc. Then add in the anabolics to enhance your natural born genetics, which will only be yielding a blown up version of the muscle cell. Again, if u are shooting for literal muscle tissue gain, good damn luck, bro! It's a bitch to achieve!

 

[polarbear1134]

Well, I do see your point my bro. However, i will go as far as saying gear is the closesit thing to magic. For ex. take a guy who has never geared up in his life, then let him do a mild db ONLY cycle. Guarantee you he will gain weight and strength EVEN IF HE DOESN'T DO SHIT. That's magic in my eyes. See what mean? of course if same individual eats right, lifts right, etc, what will go down?

Anyway, what I wanted to touch with you was your thinking on gaining muscle tissue. You know that we are all born with x amount of muscle tissue. That's right, at birth we have the very same amount of muscle cells that we die with. Now all we can do is either blow those cells up, which give the appearance of more cells, or we can actually add cells. Hyperplasia being addition of cells and hypertrophy being blowing the cells up like a balloon.

Good luck achieving hyperplasia. Even with juice use. Now, when u get into growth hormone, igf-1, etc., then we are talking actually adding muscles cells. However, you have to be careful with this approach due to the fact not only do your muscle cells multiply, but every other cell in your body. Bones, heart, liver, whatever is a cell. So I don't mean to burst the bubble, but keep in mind u really aren't adding muscle cells anyway, unless u are really really down with your game. in other words, it is a bitch to gain actual muscle tissue beyond what u were born with. Does this make any sense my bro? Therefore, I would concentrate for now on figuring out how my own body works with diet, training, sleep, etc. Then add in the anabolics to enhance your natural born genetics, which will only be yielding a blown up version of the muscle cell. Again, if u are shooting for literal muscle tissue gain, good damn luck, bro! It's a bitch to achieve!

Trenbolone (TREN) is used for anabolic growth-promotion in over 20 million cattle annually and continues to be misused for aesthetic purposes in humans. The current study investigated TREN's effects on body composition and cardiometabolic risk factors; and its tissue-selective effects on the cardiovascular system, liver and prostate. Male rats (n=12) were implanted with osmotic infusion pumps delivering either cyclodextrin vehicle (CTRL) or 2mg/kg/day TREN for 6 weeks. Dual-energy X-ray Absorptiometry assessment of body composition; organ wet weights and serum lipid profiles; and insulin sensitivity were assessed. Cardiac ultrasound examinations were performed before in vivo studies assessed myocardial susceptibility to ischemia-reperfusion (I/R) injury. Circulating sex hormones and liver enzyme activities; and prostate and liver histology were examined. In 6 weeks, fat mass increased by 34±7% in CTRLs (p<0.01). Fat mass decreased by 37±6% and lean mass increased by 11±4% with TREN (p<0.05). Serum triglycerides, HDL and LDL were reduced by 62%, 57% and 78% (p<0.05) respectively in TREN rats. Histological examination of the prostates from TREN-treated rats indicated benign hyperplasia associated with an increased prostate mass (149% compared to CTRLs, p<0.01). No evidence of adverse cardiac or hepatic effects was observed. In conclusion, improvements in body composition, lipid profile and insulin sensitivity (key risk factors for cardiometabolic disease) were achieved with six-week TREN treatment without evidence of adverse cardiovascular or hepatic effects that are commonly associated with traditional anabolic steroid misuse. Sex hormone suppression and benign prostate hyperplasia were confirmed as adverse effects of the treatment.

 

[RedWhiteNBlue]

Trenbolone (TREN) is used for anabolic growth-promotion in over 20 million cattle annually and continues to be misused for aesthetic purposes in humans. The current study investigated TREN's effects on body composition and cardiometabolic risk factors; and its tissue-selective effects on the cardiovascular system, liver and prostate. Male rats (n=12) were implanted with osmotic infusion pumps delivering either cyclodextrin vehicle (CTRL) or 2mg/kg/day TREN for 6 weeks. Dual-energy X-ray Absorptiometry assessment of body composition; organ wet weights and serum lipid profiles; and insulin sensitivity were assessed. Cardiac ultrasound examinations were performed before in vivo studies assessed myocardial susceptibility to ischemia-reperfusion (I/R) injury. Circulating sex hormones and liver enzyme activities; and prostate and liver histology were examined. In 6 weeks, fat mass increased by 34±7% in CTRLs (p<0.01). Fat mass decreased by 37±6% and lean mass increased by 11±4% with TREN (p<0.05). Serum triglycerides, HDL and LDL were reduced by 62%, 57% and 78% (p<0.05) respectively in TREN rats. Histological examination of the prostates from TREN-treated rats indicated benign hyperplasia associated with an increased prostate mass (149% compared to CTRLs, p<0.01). No evidence of adverse cardiac or hepatic effects was observed. In conclusion, improvements in body composition, lipid profile and insulin sensitivity (key risk factors for cardiometabolic disease) were achieved with six-week TREN treatment without evidence of adverse cardiovascular or hepatic effects that are commonly associated with traditional anabolic steroid misuse. Sex hormone suppression and benign prostate hyperplasia were confirmed as adverse effects of the treatment.

Good peer reviewed excerpt bro. thanx for posting. How does this translate to a 150 - 200lb human? Will their prostate also enlarge via hyperplasia?

Don't mistake what I posted earlier bro. All I'm saying is, it is a bitch to achieve hyperplasia for human. We are not cattle or rats.

 

[polarbear1134]

Good peer reviewed excerpt bro. thanx for posting. How does this translate to a 150 - 200lb human? Will their prostate also enlarge via hyperplasia?

Don't mistake what I posted earlier bro. All I'm saying is, it is a bitch to achieve hyperplasia for human. We are not cattle or rats.

Since there is no prescription tren this study is as close as we can get on real studies. I wish there were a lot of human studies but there just aren't

 

[booSTIn24]

Trenbolone (TREN) is used for anabolic growth-promotion in over 20 million cattle annually and continues to be misused for aesthetic purposes in humans. The current study investigated TREN's effects on body composition and cardiometabolic risk factors; and its tissue-selective effects on the cardiovascular system, liver and prostate. Male rats (n=12) were implanted with osmotic infusion pumps delivering either cyclodextrin vehicle (CTRL) or 2mg/kg/day TREN for 6 weeks. Dual-energy X-ray Absorptiometry assessment of body composition; organ wet weights and serum lipid profiles; and insulin sensitivity were assessed. Cardiac ultrasound examinations were performed before in vivo studies assessed myocardial susceptibility to ischemia-reperfusion (I/R) injury. Circulating sex hormones and liver enzyme activities; and prostate and liver histology were examined. In 6 weeks, fat mass increased by 34±7% in CTRLs (p<0.01). Fat mass decreased by 37±6% and lean mass increased by 11±4% with TREN (p<0.05). Serum triglycerides, HDL and LDL were reduced by 62%, 57% and 78% (p<0.05) respectively in TREN rats. Histological examination of the prostates from TREN-treated rats indicated benign hyperplasia associated with an increased prostate mass (149% compared to CTRLs, p<0.01). No evidence of adverse cardiac or hepatic effects was observed. In conclusion, improvements in body composition, lipid profile and insulin sensitivity (key risk factors for cardiometabolic disease) were achieved with six-week TREN treatment without evidence of adverse cardiovascular or hepatic effects that are commonly associated with traditional anabolic steroid misuse. Sex hormone suppression and benign prostate hyperplasia were confirmed as adverse effects of the treatment.

What were the rats diets tho. Were they being underfed or eating how ever much they wanted

 

[booSTIn24]

Well, I do see your point my bro. However, i will go as far as saying gear is the closesit thing to magic. For ex. take a guy who has never geared up in his life, then let him do a mild db ONLY cycle. Guarantee you he will gain weight and strength EVEN IF HE DOESN'T DO SHIT. That's magic in my eyes. See what mean? of course if same individual eats right, lifts right, etc, what will go down?

Anyway, what I wanted to touch with you was your thinking on gaining muscle tissue. You know that we are all born with x amount of muscle tissue. That's right, at birth we have the very same amount of muscle cells that we die with. Now all we can do is either blow those cells up, which give the appearance of more cells, or we can actually add cells. Hyperplasia being addition of cells and hypertrophy being blowing the cells up like a balloon.

Good luck achieving hyperplasia. Even with juice use. Now, when u get into growth hormone, igf-1, etc., then we are talking actually adding muscles cells. However, you have to be careful with this approach due to the fact not only do your muscle cells multiply, but every other cell in your body. Bones, heart, liver, whatever is a cell. So I don't mean to burst the bubble, but keep in mind u really aren't adding muscle cells anyway, unless u are really really down with your game. in other words, it is a bitch to gain actual muscle tissue beyond what u were born with. Does this make any sense my bro? Therefore, I would concentrate for now on figuring out how my own body works with diet, training, sleep, etc. Then add in the anabolics to enhance your natural born genetics, which will only be yielding a blown up version of the muscle cell. Again, if u are shooting for literal muscle tissue gain, good damn luck, bro! It's a bitch to achieve!

This is just depressing

 

[booSTIn24]

This is just depressing

Not hyperplasia, you know what I mean. Is that possible while in a calorie deficit on tren, Idk if it is