Should Animals Have Legal Rights?

[HULKSTER]

I am curious as to what all of you think. In the last 5 or so years, it seems that people who kill or abuse animals are not being sentenced for destroying property, but for killing a creature that is being equated to human beings. It also seems that judges are handing down sentences that are trying to equate animals/pets with human beings. The U.S. Consitution only gives RIGHTS TO HUMAN BEINGS; no where does it say that animals have any rights whatsover. Animals are property, and are proven to be so by Americans' right to buy, own and sell animals/pets. So if animals/pets are property, then why do they get treated as if they are not property, but actual human beings, whenever they are killed or abused? Is this an attempt by animal activists/extremists to re-write the U.S. Constitution in order to give animals the same rights and equal status as human beings?

 

[Norman Bates]

Animals should have the right to not be killed in a tortorous way, like being skinned alive or thrown on a BBQ alive.

 

[HULKSTER]

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[big4life]

I have owned many pets in my life and I have never once considered them as property. They all have been part of my family, and anytime one has been sick I have worried about them. Anytime that one has died I have shed tears for them. To consider a pet as property is a thought that has never crossed my mind.

The day that one of my pets become nothing more than property is the day I will no longer have pets in my life.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Animals should have the right to not be killed in a tortorous way, like being skinned alive or thrown on a BBQ alive.

I agree.

Nothing should be tortured imo. However some people go too far concerning animal rights. THEY ARE HERE FOR USE TO USE! Eat, labor, products from them, etc.

I get so mad at these stupid fucks that protest for animal rights, but doesn't give a crap about a human life.

 

[BackDoc]

Only in America would this even be a consideration.

Yes, animals have the right to not be tortured or treated inhumanely. Mostly because it shows poor responsibility on the part of who is doing it. Cruelty is not a moral trait therefore we have to make it an illegal one. but to say that we are on equal footing is absurd. However, service animals such as seeing eye dogs, rescue dogs, etc. should be given considerable leniency because they serve the betterment of mankind.

I think it is not so much that we think so highly of animals but that we think so low of ourselves that we would put them on the same pedastal in terms of legal status. I love my pets also, but I will never say they are on equal legal footing as people. With that said, they can better our lives and help us. So in the case of the burglar who tries to break in and threaten my family, they will have a large and mean dog to contend with. I would be very happy with the dog and love him all that much more. However, if I had to say what was more important my dogs life or a fellow human beings life it would not be a difficult one for me. Of course, that is not including those people who are the decay of society: rapists, murderers, the immoral, rappers, etc. The day I would choose my dog over the life of an average joe is the day I cease to be a productive human being.

 

[notoriousQQ]

best thread ever

i'm going to take a dump

 

[Fast Twitch Fiber]

I think they should all have the right to be served as dinner. I FUCKING HATE P.E.T.A.!

 

[DUSTY]

ONCE A ANIMAL GOES TO WORK FOR A LIVING AND HELP PAY BILLS AROUND HERE WHEN I SEE THAT WITH MY OWN EYES I WILL SAY HELL YEAH! YES!

 

[notoriousQQ]

animals are meant to be our source of food.

if they weren't meant to be eaten then why are they made out of meat?

 

[Mad4Iron]

Animals don't have rights,period.

I love my cats and dog,I also hunt with a passion.I love the animals I hunt for very different reasons.

Man is a predator alway was and always will be.If more people got in touch with who and what we are their wouldn't be so many assholes killing each other.

Mad

 

[SSAlexSS]

I am curious as to what all of you think. In the last 5 or so years, it seems that people who kill or abuse animals are not being sentenced for destroying property, but for killing a creature that is being equated to human beings. It also seems that judges are handing down sentences that are trying to equate animals/pets with human beings. The U.S. Consitution only gives RIGHTS TO HUMAN BEINGS; no where does it say that animals have any rights whatsover. Animals are property, and are proven to be so by Americans' right to buy, own and sell animals/pets. So if animals/pets are property, then why do they get treated as if they are not property, but actual human beings, whenever they are killed or abused? Is this an attempt by animal activists/extremists to re-write the U.S. Constitution in order to give animals the same rights and equal status as human beings?

Yes, that way distanced/notoriousQQ/JohnyJuice/bwood etc would have more rights!

 

[danielson]

yes in that clear cases of cruelty should be punished

im sure people swill still eat their lobsters with glee though, im positive not every resturant tasers them beforehand

 

[bunnymt]

Animals should not have "rights," with respect to the Constitution and whatnot; however, they do have the right to not be tortured or mutilated. All of God's living creatures are precious....even those that are not "cute" and "cuddly." Yes, animals are a food source for humans, but that is as far as it goes in this respect. They do not deserve to be tortured or to endure the amount of pain that those poor rabbits endured (those that were punched and skinned alive while they were still screaming). That is barbarious.

 

[Sinistar]

women and 'niggers' were also at one time considered property.

animals give there love unconditionally, while most ppl are self centered assholes. i would venture that most animals are better than most humans, and the only reason we are having this discussion of 'allowing' animals rights is because we think we are better. we arent.

this is a moot discussion anyway. go up and kick a mans dog and see what he does to remedy his animals rights. my money is that you end up biting a curb.

 

[Deathwish]

I agree with Sinistar.Do you think it would be right if a speicies supperior to ours started using us as food would you still want Rights?

 

[Deathwish]

I find people who hunt amusing how would they like to be hunted?I really dont see the challenge of killing something from 100 feet away that cant even harm you back kind of cowardly if you ask me.Is it alright to kill things that have lower intelligence then us?In that case we should use everyone with an IQ under 80 as food what about retards they cant contribute anything to society and they are less functional then any animal and yet they still have right.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

If I ever saw someone skin a pet dog, or cat, or whatever they did to it. I would do the same back. Firecracker up the cat's ass? Hope your ready to get stick of tnt up your fucking ass, you sick fuck. DIE!

 

[Puddles]

I don't think anything should be tortured unless it's been torturing something else. We Americans have our house pets and consider them a part of the family while other cultures will consider them livestock. We consider cows as livestock, but try eating one in India...you will be the one who gets tortured. If you don't think this country's general view on it's animals is correct, you have the freedome to move somewhere else. In most parts of the country it's commendable to hunt deer, yet where I live they are protected as the species here is dwindling naturally. It's all relative as to what animals are considered food sources and which are pets, depending on where you live.

 

[Mandinka2]

Yeah but most of it is due to ignorance. I grew up on a farm in Ireland and let me tell u , when u see a cute little baby calf have it's horns burned out of it's skull or a bull being castrated with it's tongue shooting three feet out of it's mouth , you get an idea of true pain. Why I would never , ever have anything to do with farming again and I only eat bull beef.

 

[Sinistar]

If you don't think this country's general view on it's animals is correct, you have the freedome to move somewhere else.

damn puddles thats fucking extreme. id like to remind you that you can also move, if you dont likw what i say as well. that works both ways. what the fuck is with that anyway?

i support the second amendmant but have never hunted. dont see the need really. my dad hunts, but not for sport. he doesnt kill anything that cant be eaten.

sport hunters are douchebags. killing something for no reason at all is LAME. and ill tell you why they dont get one on one with a deer: you ever see that Real TV where that guy rolls around in synthentic doe piss and starts making mating noises? he just wantd to get close to one and get his old lady to film it right? well, this deer proceeds to stomp the piss out of this guy. you can hear the fuckers hooves echoing off this guys back like 20ft away. now thats a challenge.

 

[atlantabiolab]

women and 'niggers' were also at one time considered property.

animals give there love unconditionally, while most ppl are self centered assholes. i would venture that most animals are better than most humans, and the only reason we are having this discussion of 'allowing' animals rights is because we think we are better. we arent.

this is a moot discussion anyway. go up and kick a mans dog and see what he does to remedy his animals rights. my money is that you end up biting a curb.

Man is "better" than animals. Man is a rational animal, which is why man has "rights of nature". He is a volitional animal that utilizes reason to understand abstracts, such as morality, scientific concepts, emotions, etc. Animals tend to be instinctual and as of yet have never contributed anything to the benefit of their species in terms of discoveries to prevent sickness, justice, art, etc. Animals are essentially unchanged for thousands of years in their lives, because they are commanded by nature.

Man grants protection to animals because of his morality towards harming "defenseless", "cute", or "subservient" creatures. Man deems it wrong to harm animals for no purpose but for pleasure, but their death is not considered wrong when it has purpose, i.e. food.

 

[justyxxxx]

I love my little dog and would hate to see anyone do anything cruel to him. He's just a joy to have, especially since I live alone. In terms of being tortured, NO ONE should torture an animal. So, in that regard, yes - they should have the right to be able to live without being tortured. As far as for food, well, this is a world where animals and humans kill for food and so that's different. But, if someone tries to kill my little dog for food, he'll find himself chained up, horse-whipped and tortured (ha - there went my torture statement).

 

[bwood]

they have the right to be warm when worn in the winter...

and the right to be delicious and tasty...

 

[collegiateLifter]

Only in America would this even be a consideration.

wrong my friend.

In Germany animals already have a constitution of their own.

 

[Drifter]

Atlantabiolab,

Animals also haven't caused extinction, pollution, nuclear bombs, guns etc. Just because we can rationalize does not mean we are better than them....just different.

 

[HULKSTER]

I love my little dog and would hate to see anyone do anything cruel to him. He's just a joy to have, especially since I live alone. In terms of being tortured, NO ONE should torture an animal. So, in that regard, yes - they should have the right to be able to live without being tortured. As far as for food, well, this is a world where animals and humans kill for food and so that's different. But, if someone tries to kill my little dog for food, he'll find himself chained up, horse-whipped and tortured (ha - there went my torture statement).

You mean you love your dog as much as a human being can love an animal. Animals are not rationale beings, and even for intelligent ones like chimps, they are still far less intelligent than a kid with Down's Syndrome. Furthermore, love----as it is supposed to mean----is unconditional. Too many people, whether describing something they like, or their current gf/piece of ass or their pets, abuse the word love. You cannot love something in the true sense of the word if it has conditions placed on that love. A dog will immediately turn on you or anyone else if not feed, sheltered and cared for. The loyalty of a dog only goes so far as the desire of it's owner/master to feed and shelter it.

That's why so many dogs "run away".

 

[atlantabiolab]

Atlantabiolab,

Animals also haven't caused extinction, pollution, nuclear bombs, guns etc. Just because we can rationalize does not mean we are better than them....just different.

Stop believing what you see in Disney films. Animals have gone extinct untold number of times since the dawn of time, without any cause by man. And without the ability to rationalize and invent and create, they will always be subject to natural selection and extinction.

Learn about what happens to a species, such as deer, that enter a environment where they are suitably adapted. They will thrive off of the land for only as long as it can sustain them, then there will be a period of mass starvation, until the population has been culled to supportable numbers. Man has throughout his history manipulated the environment to increase its sustaining power, not only for himself, but for others of his species and of lower species.

Man is superior to animals by virtue of his cognitive ability.

 

[gettinlarger]

Anyone who abuses/kills an animal should get the same repercussions as if he would killing a person. If I had it my way, some of these crimes would have the perpetrator executed.

 

[distanced]

A better question is, should Hulkster have legal rights when the feds cavity search him for his 'actions'.

- "true love can only be found when your fancy cockatail can say 'pretty bird' 45 times in under 60 seconds"

 

[collegiateLifter]

Anyone who... kills an animal should get the same repercussions as if he would killing a person. If I had it my way, some of these crimes would have the perpetrator executed.

sounds like you are wholly a vegetarian no?

 

[Volpe]

I find people who hunt amusing how would they like to be hunted?I really dont see the challenge of killing something from 100 feet away that cant even harm you back kind of cowardly if you ask me.Is it alright to kill things that have lower intelligence then us?

............Have you ever hunted NA whitetail deer??lol