screw you IM STAYING ON!!!

[hangclean]

"I just dont see the need if you are a healthy person to begin with". Bro this one line in your post sums it all up. You have obviously never suffered from prolonged very low test levels. Let me tell you there a hell pf a lot of symptoms one of which is depression.......now tell me that is not life threatening. Shit why dont we take all the people suffering mental illness, and take their medication from them....after all as you say it is not life threatening!!

You just said in your post "prolonged low test levels". Is this not one of the reasons I stated for doing long term HRT? Reading comprehension is obviously not your forte.

 

[c gheller]

You just said in your post "prolonged low test levels". Is this not one of the reasons I stated for doing long term HRT? Reading comprehension is obviously not your forte.

No Bro you said, and i quote " While i agree if you have permenantly fucked your test production (like if you are pro bodybuilder who mega dosed for years)". My point was that there are people who are predisposed to this condition and have not necessarily abused or even used AAS ever.

 

[Triple-G]

Staying on test for the rest of your life is a serious decision that has many drawbacks. It is not going to be cheap. Legal ramifications.

if i were in the US, i would get a script, i could not sleep knowing i have something illegal in my house. its not that big an issue in Europe, as long as i can get gear on the black market, fine, its dirt cheap and legal but if the black market would dry out one day, i would get a rx, my natural production must be close to zero now

Availability of a quality product.

this was the only issue that i had given a second thought but i doubt that we will anywhere in future run out of synthetic testosterone. there are millions of men who get that prescribed currently and its dirt cheap to manufacture.

You never know what may happen in your life that may force you to go completely off.

why should that happen? you don't go off naturally either, a male makes testosterone until he dies, so i inject testosterone until i die.

There are so many people out there who do it the old fashioned way and cycle and keep very respectable gains. I suggest you think twice about doing something like this unless you have already seriously screwed your natural hormone levels already.

it depends on what one consideres "screwed". i had natural levels that were still within normal boundaries, just on the lower end. the medical community sees declining testosterone levels as a normal process of ageing, so getting fatter, losing muscle mass and sex drive is "normal". but i just don't want to live "normal". since i can neither achieve what i call quality life naturally nor with cycling, i do have to stay on.

 

[zips92]

oh by the way did you read the thread title?

it says screw you im staying on!!.....


for you------->


enjoy

Had to chuckle a little, nice retort, seems like you had a premonition in the thread title to be able to defend yourself if things went south.

You started a nice thread that touched a lot of nerves and opinions. Good insight and experiences posted in this thread (and ones similar to it) that will be invaluable for many knowledgeable and responsible AAS users for a long time to come.

Well done.

 

[Oldpro]

I started this mess, sorry racoon, just that I have been here a long ago when we did not have the resources such as this site to learn. My tone in writting, is trying to make light while discussing a bad situation, I cannot live in the blues. It seems everyone wants to know what it will be like 20 to 25 years later so I stepped in.The analogy of diabetics was wrong, just that it runs in my family 1 Aunt, cousin, mother, brother and I am borderline, so just seems common place. Although some diabetics are responsiable for there condition from the abuse of foods, everything can be abused. I will be very careful from now on on my choice of words. And again my appoligies to any damage I cause in anyway to a very important thread who many could benifit from.

Sincerely,

Oldpro

 

[racoon_city]

its ok to post opinions and we can trade back and forth, but when someone just shows up saying " its bad" to be on test, then im going to get rowdy.

believe me im considering all opinions here whether guys tell me to cycle off or just stay on..

oldpro-
you didnt do anything or say anything wrong bro. people take meds forever for deficientcies, ie insulin shots, head meds, ect ect..

 

[hangclean]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone on here known someone that has been on long term GH therapy? I know long term Test would be a lot less money but for someone who could afford it I would think that GH would be another alternative.

 

[racoon_city]

why do you think hgh is better long term? have you read what HGH man had to say about this? he was on HGH since 1996 i beilive

 

[USHP]

Great thread. I was on for 8 months but my original intention was only to do a 14 week cycle (750mg/wk test and 400mg/wk deca and proper ancillaries) do my pct and try to keep my gains through proper training and a disciplined diet. My stats at the beginning were, height=5'8" weight=175lbs. My goal was to maintain a bodyweight of 190-195lbs after pct while being reasonably lean. I don't measure BF with calipers or any other testing means I just get out of the shower each morning and look in the mirror and take it from there.

Well, after 14 weeks I stopped the deca, dropped the test to 500mg/wk and stayed on for the next about 18 weeks. At one point I bumped the dosage back to 750mg/wk for 3 weeks then back to 500mg/wk for a time and then bumped it 1000mg/wk for 4 weeks and then finished at 500mg/wk for the duration. I did an intense pct with hcg, nolva and clomid for about 7 weeks (clomid as a precaution because I was on so long, otherwise I would have done just hcg and nolva).

Before pct I had made it to a very lean and dry 207lbs looking pretty solid for a 5'8" guy around 50 yrs. old. Right now I've lost 13 lbs of those gains but part of that is due to lower protein intake so my liver would be less stressed and I increased my cardio to 80% of my max heart rate to improve my blood pressure and resting heart rate.

I have been off for about 11 weeks and at my physicals my BP was 110/68 and my resting HR was 64 BPM. My prostrate was normal (I take saw palmetto as a preventative and believe it works) and all my blood work was in the normal value ranges. They did not test for natural test levels and I didn't ask because I didn't want to get into with my doctor.

I plan on researching this subject more and unless I find a compelling reason not to, I'm going back on and probably staying on. Test gives me a feeling of general wellness, energy and confidence which allows me to live a more active and involved lifestyle.

 

[Bozwell]

I think Ill join in,Im only 24 but ever since I started taking paroxitine (4 years ago)my sex drive fell through the floor streanth dident go up like it used to ,I didnt have my deppression anymore but didnt feel like a man anymore either
Ive talked do my GP about it and he says theres nothing that can be done its just a common side effect of the drug I asked about blood test/hrt because I said its becuase of low test levels Ive done some research and he reckons Im far to young ,Im also hoplessly hooked on these fucking things
well fuck him Im coming of a cycle soon and Im going down to 250mg ew then 125 mg a ew of sust or test e
theres a clinic near to were I live that offers FREE blood work for steroid users (if any one in ne england wants the addy send me a pm)
so I will make regular check 3 months or so
I dont care if Im too young for it,it gives me a better quality of life so why shouldent I