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Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage

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Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage

By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago

LARGO, Fla. - The autopsy of
Terri Schiavo backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding she was severely and irreversibly brain-damaged and blind as well. The report, released Wednesday, also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused before she collapsed.
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Yet medical examiners could not say for certain what caused her sudden 1990 collapse, long thought to have been brought on by an eating disorder.

The findings vindicated Michael Schiavo in his long and vitriolic battle with his in-laws, who insisted her condition was not hopeless and suggested that their daughter was the victim of violence by their son-in-law.

In its report, the medical examiner's office cast doubt on both the abuse and eating disorder theory.

The autopsy results on the 41-year-old woman were made public more than two months after Schiavo died of dehydration on March 31 following the removal of her feeding tube 13 days earlier. The death ended an extraordinary right-to-die battle that engulfed the courts, Congress and the White House.

The autopsy showed that Schiavo's brain had shrunk to about half the normal size for a woman her age and that it bore signs of severe damage.

"This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," said Pinellas-Pasco County Medical Examiner Dr. Jon Thogmartin, who led the autopsy team. He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

George Felos, attorney for Michael Schiavo, said the findings back up their contentions made "for years and years" that Terri Schiavo had no hope of recovery. He said Michael Schiavo plans to release autopsy photographs of her shrunken brain.

"Mr. Schiavo has received so much criticism throughout this case that I'm certain there's a part of him that was pleased to hear these results and the hard science behind them," Felos said.

Nevertheless, attorney David Gibbs III said Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, continue to believe she was not in a vegetative state and questioned the conclusion that she was blind.

The finding that she was blind counters a widely seen videotape released by her parents of Terri Schiavo in her hospice bed. The video showed Schiavo appearing to turn toward her mother's voice and smile. She moaned and laughed. Her head moved up and down and she seemed to follow the progress of a brightly colored Mickey Mouse balloon.

The parents said the video that showed she was aware of her surroundings, but doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of consciousness.

In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the autopsy did nothing to change
President Bush's position that Schiavo's feeding tube should not have been disconnected. He had signed a bill, rushed through by Congress in March, in a last-ditch effort to restore her feeding tube.

Thogmartin also said Schiavo would not have been able to eat or drink if given food by mouth as the Schindlers wanted after the tube was removed. In fact, he said, she might easily have choked to death if such feedings had been tried.

"Removal of her feeding tube would have resulted in her death whether she was fed or hydrated by mouth or not," Thogmartin told reporters.

The autopsy included 274 external and internal body images and an exhaustive review of Terri Schiavo's medical records, police reports and social services agency records.

Thogmartin said that the autopsy produced no conclusion on what triggered the temporary heart stoppage that caused her collapse and brain damage. He said there was no evidence of drug use, though he cautioned that Schiavo was not tested in 1990 for every conceivable substance that could have been in her blood.

He said there was no proof she suffered from an eating disorder such as bulimia, which can disrupt the body chemistry with lethal effect. The main piece of evidence cited for an eating disorder — the low levels of potassium in her blood in 1990 — could have been caused by the emergency treatment she received at the time, Thogmartin said.

While she had lost more than 100 pounds since high school, Schiavo never confessed to an eating disorder, she did not take diet pills and no one had witnessed her purging food, the medical examiner said.

He also discounted the possibility that she had overdosed on caffeine from drinking large amounts of tea in an effort to keep her weight down.

The cause of death was ruled dehydration from removal of the feeding tube, but the underlying reason for her brain damage was officially listed as "undetermined."

In addition, the autopsy found no traces of morphine in her system at her death, although she had been given two doses in the days before she died. The Schindlers had contended that morphine might have been used to speed their daughter's death.

The Schindlers fought their son-in-law in court over their daughter's fate for nearly seven years, battling to the end with conservatives at their side. Michael Schiavo said his wife never would have wanted to be kept alive artificially in such a condition.

Courts repeatedly rejected extraordinary attempts at intervention by Florida lawmakers, Gov. Jeb Bush, Congress and the president on behalf of her parents.

Experts said that the autopsy demonstrates how difficult it is for people to recover from severe brain damage.

"People should understand that sometimes, for known or unknown reasons, individuals sustain massive brain injury that for which healing is not possible," said Dr. Karen Weidenheim, the chief of neuropathology at Montefiore Medical Center in New York. "Everything that could have been done was done for this lady for 15 years, and this case is very tragic."


Dr. Jon Thogmartin, District 6 Medical Examiner, right, and Dr. Stephen Nelson, District 10 Medical Examiner, release Terri Schiavo's autopsy results during a news conference Wednesday morning June 15, 2005 in Clearwater, Fla. Schiavo's autopsy backed her husband's contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner's office said Wednesday .(AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)
 
I wonder what the bleeding heart conservatives take on this is.
 
CFZB said:
well duh.some people listened to actual scientists before the autopsy .
The autopsy showed that Schiavo's brain had shrunk to about half the normal size for a woman her age and that it bore signs of severe damage.

"This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons," said Pinellas-Pasco County Medical Examiner Dr. Jon Thogmartin, who led the autopsy team. He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead."

so much for the balloons
 
but was MD Thogmartin a Christian medical examiner?

btw,being in the business
a medical examiner is an actual MD
a coroner is not
I could be a coroner
 
Funny how the religous wackos no longer want to discuss this issue. I remember seeing Hannity arguing with a neurosurgeon over her condition. That's right, Sean Hannity arguing with a fucking doctor about someone's medical condition! What a joke! I guess they'll do anything for ratings.
 
What was most disgusting about the whole situation was the conservative politicians enacting legislation so they could keep her alive and attract votes.
 
So I guess if she were blind the parents finds that she responded happily and giggling to the ballons was utter bullshit.

God, I really detest selfish people.
 
velvett said:
So I guess if she were blind the parents finds that she responded happily and giggling to the ballons was utter bullshit.

God, I really detest selfish people.

I think its easy for emotions to cloud rationality. Plus I think the evidence points to them having an ulterior motive for keeping her alive. In this case I think the emotion was greed.
 
So much bothers me about this case I scarcely know where to begin. Not looking at it from a political or religious view point, but just my own thoughts. What did Michael Schiavo care if her parents wanted to keep her alive? Was he there when she was born? Or took her first steps or on her first day of school? As the father of a daughter, you can bet I would kill the guy that tried to do what he did with my bare hands! Michael Schiavo has another life and has had it for quite sometime now.

If the state allowed her to die when she was in an unrecoverable state, then why is Jack Kevorkian in prison? If the precedent is now set that the only qualification for allowing someone to die is that they not be able to return to a “normal” state; there are a lot of people in nursing homes that would love to pass away with some dignity. But, if you try to get your Great Grandparents tube removed at the local nursing home, you’ll be in jail lickity split! Nursing homes, btw, that help keep the cost of health care soaring in this country.

Was she going to recover? No. But that was never the point with me. Her parents wanted her alive and Michael Schiavo just couldn’t let them alone and let them have their daughter. He just HAD to kill her. If there is a Hell, I hope the Devil uses Michael Schiavo as his sex donkey till the end of time.
 
Vicious cycle said:
So much bothers me about this case I scarcely know where to begin. Not looking at it from a political or religious view point, but just my own thoughts. What did Michael Schiavo care if her parents wanted to keep her alive? Was he there when she was born? Or took her first steps or on her first day of school? As the father of a daughter, you can bet I would kill the guy that tried to do what he did with my bare hands! Michael Schiavo has another life and has had it for quite sometime now.

If the state allowed her to die when she was in an unrecoverable state, then why is Jack Kevorkian in prison? If the precedent is now set that the only qualification for allowing someone to die is that they not be able to return to a “normal” state; there are a lot of people in nursing homes that would love to pass away with some dignity. But, if you try to get your Great Grandparents tube removed at the local nursing home, you’ll be in jail lickity split! Nursing homes, btw, that help keep the cost of health care soaring in this country.

Was she going to recover? No. But that was never the point with me. Her parents wanted her alive and Michael Schiavo just couldn’t let them alone and let them have their daughter. He just HAD to kill her. If there is a Hell, I hope the Devil uses Michael Schiavo as his sex donkey till the end of time.

I have to disagree with this. Her soul was gone a long time ago. All that was left was a carcass that was being kept alive artificially. The people in Nursing homes & institutions, while incapacitated, still are alive in their own little world. She simply wasn't alive as we know it.
I understand the parents grief. They loved their daughter dearly & were unable to accept the reality because of their hopes for, & belief in the reality of, a miracle.
As far as Mr. Schiavo's motivation, I believe he had accepted her loss many years ago. To have her body maintained in such a way, while loving another woman couldn't have been easy.
My wife & I have both chosen not to have heroic efforts made on our behalf, in a similar situation. I pray for Terri's family & I applaud Mr. Schiavo's courage in the face of such vehement criticism & open hatred.
If I could find any fault in the whole situation I think I would assign a miniscule amount to Terri's parents for not having the courage to accept & move on, as so many other parents have to do on a daily basis.
One thing I find reprehensible is the media coverage of this event, & the political & religious posturing.
Just my .02
 
hidngod said:
I have to disagree with this. Her soul was gone a long time ago. All that was left was a carcass that was being kept alive artificially. The people in Nursing homes & institutions, while incapacitated, still are alive in their own little world. She simply wasn't alive as we know it.
I understand the parents grief. They loved their daughter dearly & were unable to accept the reality because of their hopes for, & belief in the reality of, a miracle.
As far as Mr. Schiavo's motivation, I believe he had accepted her loss many years ago. To have her body maintained in such a way, while loving another woman couldn't have been easy.
My wife & I have both chosen not to have heroic efforts made on our behalf, in a similar situation. I pray for Terri's family & I applaud Mr. Schiavo's courage in the face of such vehement criticism & open hatred.
If I could find any fault in the whole situation I think I would assign a miniscule amount to Terri's parents for not having the courage to accept & move on, as so many other parents have to do on a daily basis.
One thing I find reprehensible is the media coverage of this event, & the political & religious posturing.
Just my .02

This is where we just agree to disagree. I've worked in a nursing home and it's not a pretty sight. People lying around all day unable to communicate and being fed pureed food that is sucked up in a syring and pushed into their mouths. These people have know idea as to who, what or where they are. It's an awful sight to see what a lot of those people go through. There is a big difference beteween living and being alive. I just question why the State thought it was okay to let her die when there are people in nursing homes that are just as bad off as she was and they won't let them die with dignity.

As far Mr. Schiavo goes, the grimmest irony in this is that those who wanted Terri Schiavo dead are resting their argument on the fiction that her marriage was still alive. I stand by what I said; if that's my daughter and I want to take care of her thats my decision. And I'll flat out kill the sumbitch who trys to do otherwise.
 
Vicious cycle said:
This is where we just agree to disagree. I've worked in a nursing home and it's not a pretty sight. People lying around all day unable to communicate and being fed pureed food that is sucked up in a syring and pushed into their mouths. These people have know idea as to who, what or where they are. It's an awful sight to see what a lot of those people go through. There is a big difference beteween living and being alive. I just question why the State thought it was okay to let her die when there are people in nursing homes that are just as bad off as she was and they won't let them die with dignity.
I see your point here. I was actually thinking more of the patients that are old & senile or disabled. My wife's grandmother had alzheimers, & the last few months were devastating for all of us. When she was lucid, which wasn't very often, all she wanted to do was die.
My mother was in a similar situation for the few days before she passed, so luckily for us, we didn't have to make that kind of decision.

Vicious cycle said:
As far Mr. Schiavo goes, the grimmest irony in this is that those who wanted Terri Schiavo dead are resting their argument on the fiction that her marriage was still alive. I stand by what I said; if that's my daughter and I want to take care of her thats my decision. And I'll flat out kill the sumbitch who trys to do otherwise.
This is a rather cold rebuttal & I'm not sure of the details of this aspect, but, if Mrs. Schiavo was vegetative & the state was paying for her care, wouldn't that considerable sum of money be better spent on other patients?
 
UA_Iron said:
I think its easy for emotions to cloud rationality. Plus I think the evidence points to them having an ulterior motive for keeping her alive. In this case I think the emotion was greed.


That's just horrible.
I agree with you, btw.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
Funny how the religous wackos no longer want to discuss this issue. I remember seeing Hannity arguing with a neurosurgeon over her condition. That's right, Sean Hannity arguing with a fucking doctor about someone's medical condition! What a joke! I guess they'll do anything for ratings.
unfortunately,this example pretty much sums up fox as a network .
 
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