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houseofpain

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So I guess if a certain source is screwing over elite members, as long as she honors a few deals with a couple mods, that's all it takes to cover up the fact that she's selectively scamming others ???

I feel sorry for any of the rest of you who didn't get to see the alert and end up sending this person money for gear you're never going to see...
 
If you have proof that you are being scammed, then your post should be allowed to stay no matter what the sources relationship is with any mods.
I would suggest getting ahold of EF Sam and pleading your case, I had some issues with a certain mod recently, and I was happy with the way she dealt with it
 
I was about to post what I found out about this source you mentioned (then it was moved)...She DOES use a ziplip AND cyber-rights account...So it looks like the same person...Though many have never had problems with her, you did...I would wait the next week (like you and Mr.X had planned), then if she does not honor her end, I would say post up at that point...
She knows what is on the line, and hopefully that will be enough to get her moving on her end...
 
Damn, this shit will never end...
 
I make an order monday and I get my stuff wednesday....

ah good old uk....
 
Bump!
He told me he had some problems with some of his shippers but has since rectified the problem, this is why there was some delays! But the verdict is out, see if he/she comes through.
 
houseofpain said:
So I guess if a certain source is screwing over elite members, as long as she honors a few deals with a couple mods, that's all it takes to cover up the fact that she's selectively scamming others ???

I feel sorry for any of the rest of you who didn't get to see the alert and end up sending this person money for gear you're never going to see...
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We talked and I agree that your wait was bullshit but she did not do you wrong on purpose. You have a tracking # now so relax and wait a damn week. She is my freiend its true but she did not do this on purpose.....yes I am a little pissed. If you and Mr. X decided to wait why am I seeing this shit.

Quad
 
I didn't find out about Mr. X's deal with her to wait yet another week. This deal was done independently of me and without my knowledge. Consequently I didn't find out about it until after I already posted her as a scammer.

So after blowing me of for 3 months and giving me a half dozen excuses, I go talk to the mods about it. Until she started getting complaints from multiple mods, she was perfectly happy to keep letting me and my order twist in the wind.

So now she provides a greek tracking number that no one can read except for her, as proof that she finally made good after being threatened to be listed as a scammer.

Well I think screwing someone over on an order, keeping their money for over 3 months, and then only delivering (if she actually does) after being threatened, doesn't make her a source that MOST people wouldn't want to give their hard earned money to. And it's probably a name that everyone here should know about so they can make up their own mind.

But if you think those kinds of business practices are acceptible just because she's your friend, then hey... what can I do ? I'm not a mod, I'm just a lowly elite board member and regular contributor...
 
BTW... I keep getting PM's from other elite members saying they've had similar problems in the past with this very same source, (e.g. waiting multiple months for orders, having to get mod intervention to make her deliver, etc...).

That just futher proves to me that this is repeated behavior on her part, not just s one time mix up. All the more reason to have her listed as a questionable person to do business with.
 
Mother F*****!!!!! I recently emailed mods about her and everyone honered her!!!! I sent money out just the other day for a big amount. I was not sure that we were all talking about the same person till Quad replyed!!! Right!!! She seems very nice and legit, but then again I would be to If I was taking peoples money. I hope this is not true..

E
 
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concordsize said:
Mother F*****!!!!! I recently emailed mods about her and everyone honered her!!!! I sent money out just the other day for a big amount. I was not sure that we were all talking about the same person till Quad replyed!!! Right!!! She seems very nice and legit, but then again I would be to If I was taking peoples money. I hope this is not true..

E
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I admitt 3 months is unacceptable and I told her so. I told her if she has a shipper that is messing up dump them. I told that if an order goes over a month she needs to try to use another shipper or use a domestic or something.this greek guy has been nothing but trouble and I am going to ask she gets rid of him once and for all. All sources have problems from time to time and it seems to happen in bunches. I am sure your order will be fine especially if its domestic.

Quad
 
houseofpain said:
BTW... I keep getting PM's from other elite members saying they've had similar problems in the past with this very same source, (e.g. waiting multiple months for orders, having to get mod intervention to make her deliver, etc...).

That just futher proves to me that this is repeated behavior on her part, not just s one time mix up. All the more reason to have her listed as a questionable person to do business with.
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Her only real personal mess up is not dumping a bad shipper. She gives to many chances ...to forgiving. She really is a great person. What you preceive as a run around was sincere. She is from a 3rd world country and she is very trusting of others. (not always good in this biz) and when a guy says he shipped she takes him at his word. Shit it happensed to me on 20 sust...3 months...from greece! I will work this out so it does not continue, you have my word as a brother in iron.

Quad
 
Quad well said!!!! I have trust in people my self but there is only so much bullshit that you can put up with, you know??!!! All my stuff was domestic except some of the new kits from CHina.

E
 
Quadsweep said:


Her only real personal mess up is not dumping a bad shipper. She gives to many chances ...to forgiving. She really is a great person. What you preceive as a run around was sincere. She is from a 3rd world country and she is very trusting of others. (not always good in this biz) and when a guy says he shipped she takes him at his word. Shit it happensed to me on 20 sust...3 months...from greece! I will work this out so it does not continue, you have my word as a brother in iron.

Quad
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Funny you mention her being from another country as a factor in shipping times, the the acceptance of the wait.
I've just been reading on this very subject recently, last night in fact.
Few cultures are as a fast paced as the US is. We want things yesterday, others are far more relaxed and one would be considered rude and obnoxious to demand the kind of service that is the norm in the West.
In addtition business relationships are formed over years<her shipper> and are hard to break. We're far more likely to drop someone in the blink of an eye. This isn't necessarily an easy thing to do depending on what the cultural values you have been raised on.

I'm not saying you're wrong. She needs to change her ways if she wants to deal with Westerners. US businesses learned to change their practices when dealing with cultural conflicts a long time ago.

Just trying to provide another point of view. I would ready to kill after a three month wait, but I'm used to, and expect better.

See now if they thought like us maybe they'd have a state of the art Space program and a military that could destroy an entire country in a matter of days, if we chose to.
Not to mention there's no one starving here.
 
She is good!!! RELAX it will get worked out...this kind of post can really cause damage to supps. Also why jump the gun and risk putting this info on the boards,we have seen to many good sources go down because of to much open posting. Let the mods work and keep this stuff behind the scenes via secure emails until we are sure of things! TAKE QUADS WORD AND THINGS WILL COME!!!! she messed up with me and was very fast to make good! I do not post alot but have been around a long time and she is one of the good ones! Protect our sources,spread good info,help the newbies and thank god we are not pencilnecks!!!!!!!!!!!
 
plex1500 said:
She is good!!! RELAX it will get worked out...this kind of post can really cause damage to supps. Also why jump the gun and risk putting this info on the boards,we have seen to many good sources go down because of to much open posting. Let the mods work and keep this stuff behind the scenes via secure emails until we are sure of things! TAKE QUADS WORD AND THINGS WILL COME!!!! she messed up with me and was very fast to make good! I do not post alot but have been around a long time and she is one of the good ones! Protect our sources,spread good info,help the newbies and thank god we are not pencilnecks!!!!!!!!!!!
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Amen!

Quad
 
plex1500 said:
She is good!!! RELAX it will get worked out...this kind of post can really cause damage to supps. Also why jump the gun and risk putting this info on the boards,we have seen to many good sources go down because of to much open posting. Let the mods work and keep this stuff behind the scenes via secure emails until we are sure of things! TAKE QUADS WORD AND THINGS WILL COME!!!! she messed up with me and was very fast to make good! I do not post alot but have been around a long time and she is one of the good ones! Protect our sources,spread good info,help the newbies and thank god we are not pencilnecks!!!!!!!!!!!
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He's got a right to be pissed off. 3 months?

"...and was very fast to make good!" - Obviously nothing is happening "fast" here.

This kind of thing should be known.
 
Let's just make things crystal clear so we're all on the same page...

On average it takes approximately 10-14 days to get a package delivered from any EU Country to the US. Let's give this person the benefit of the doubt and say that due to some cultural difference, she sits on her ass and doesn't mail out the order for an additional week. That's another 7 days to come up with a total of "21 days".

This order has been outstanding for 3 MONTHS, which means she could have shipped it FOUR TIMES OVER in the time she's already been given... She was also notified weekly after the first three weeks via email that the shipment hadn't arrived.

This gave her SIXTY THREE DAYS to have the order reshipped.... This gave her SIXTY THREE DAYS to straighten out her shipper's major malfunction... This gave her SIXTY THREE DAYS to make it right...

But instead the clock is STILL ticking, she's being given a free pass on being listed as a scammer because a couple mods are friends with her, and in the mean time unsuspecting elite members are still sending her money...

"...she's one of the good ones." ?????????????? Compared to who ???????????

I'm just not sure how you justify in your own mind, not giving people a heads up on someone that's doing stuff like this to multiple elite members... Maybe she's been a good source in the past, but right now she's pretty F'ed up from where I'm sitting...
 
houseofpain said:

and in the mean time unsuspecting elite members are still sending her money...

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Well if its any consolation I diverted two members just last night from placing orders with her, atleast until things get worked out better...
 
House of pain, I am of the same thinking process as you are. The problem with some of the sources out there is that 90% of the time they come through with shining colors, they get product out asap and everything is perfect. Well then there are problems which have happened to you, and you feel so fucked because you are use to the great service of the past. I feel the same way!!! The thing that bothers me is that We the customers are led to believe things from the seller. As honest and hardworking people such as ourselves, true iron warriors we send money to someone we dont even know. Then there is a problem and we all feel fucked because we feel violated!!!

I will let us all know when I recieve my domestic order, and the way I look at it my over seas order should not take much longer if it goes out when it was said to have went out.

Good luck everyone!!!

E
 
this is a game we all play!!! try to put yourself in her shoes...think how many emails she gets ,how many orders,all the shippers she deals with ,with such a big list of products from so many places. Even Sears messes up orders on TVs etc...granted it gets fixed in less then 3 months but what we are doing is illegal and takes along time. Some of her shippers may go bad...it can take time to fix things.You are not the first and not the last...but she will come up with your stuff...and if it was so easy to ship and handle we would all do it.I understand warning people but until she really just does not ship and drops out of site...which she will not , just hang tight. QUAD will fix it...and once you get your stuff just order from someone else! i understand your pain trust me...i ordered 1000ius of GH from the maker and they screwed up packaging and it got snagged and i was shit out of luck! peace it will come!! one way or another
 
plex1500 said:
this is a game we all play!!! try to put yourself in her shoes...think how many emails she gets ,how many orders,all the shippers she deals with ,with such a big list of products from so many places. Even Sears messes up orders on TVs etc...granted it gets fixed in less then 3 months but what we are doing is illegal and takes along time. Some of her shippers may go bad...it can take time to fix things.You are not the first and not the last...but she will come up with your stuff...and if it was so easy to ship and handle we would all do it.I understand warning people but until she really just does not ship and drops out of site...which she will not , just hang tight. QUAD will fix it...and once you get your stuff just order from someone else! i understand your pain trust me...i ordered 1000ius of GH from the maker and they screwed up packaging and it got snagged and i was shit out of luck! peace it will come!! one way or another
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Thank you Plex! Houseofpain, I am sorry it all went down like this. She is sorry too...really. You will get your package in short order. There is no excuse for the amount of time it has taken and I really make none here. She should have handled it way different. But there is a difference between scamming and fucking up unintentionally. Sorry again for the mess but it happens in this mesed up game.

Quad
 
i feel for you guys...i had a real similar problem from a source in europe...several mods on other boards, some members here, assured me of a source, and i had dealt with him before...after building trust, i sent a rather large order, and he fucked me over...i had several mods email him, and talk to him, and he still gave me the run around...so i had to settle for some shit QV stuff i got at gym prices, not to mention being out of my source
 
As long as the heat is kept on her things will move faster. Dont let the testosterone drop to fast.lol

I feel as is well, I trust quadsweep!

E
 
plex1500 said:
i understand your pain trust me...i ordered 1000ius of GH from the maker and they screwed up packaging and it got snagged and i was shit out of luck!
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Can you email the manafacturers name so I dont make the same mistake?
 
The Terminator said:


Well if its any consolation I diverted two members just last night from placing orders with her, atleast until things get worked out better...
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This is the power of the message boards. If it weren't for the communication we have here alot more scamming would be going on.
 
genarr3 said:

This is the power of the message boards. If it weren't for the communication we have here alot more scamming would be going on.
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This is true but I assure everyone she is not scamming!

Quad
 
Quad thank you for staying ontop of this thread!!! YOu are a loyal friend to her and it shows. Do you think there will be problems with kits from China???

E
 
I have to admit I was ready to order from her until this thread started. I'll wait now (1st order, 1st cycle in 18+ years) to see what happens (not long).

That said, I trust quadsweep. He has too much invested in his rep to back a scammer.
 
concordsize said:
Quad thank you for staying ontop of this thread!!! YOu are a loyal friend to her and it shows. Do you think there will be problems with kits from China???

E
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Nope, just got 2 in six days!

Quad
 
There's a difference between a bad source and a scammer.

Bad service happens sometimes. The buyers should always check a source's rep with many mods/vets. If someone asks me about a source, I let them know what the tendencies are. Some sources have fast T/A's but poor communication, some are pricey but fast and friendly, others are hard to deal with...etc.
 
The Terminator said:


True, but it won't hurt these guys to wait a few extra days perhaps to make sure everything is going a bit smoother (its eases everybodies minds a bit)
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That's exactly what should be done. I believe there is too much "keep quiet until we know for sure" and "We don't want to ruin a good thing" going on with this sort of thing.

If she/he comes through in time this will be forgotten. I hate to sound hard because I know Quad believes in this one, and that does make a big difference here. But a big dip in orders will teach a business not to make that same mistake again.
 
Just to backup HouseofPain:
I am now into week 6 waiting...

I just happened to read this thread before the name was removed and now I am really concerned.

Hopefully this gets all sorted out.

I will email some mods at the end of this week if it does not show.
 
scorpion_xxx said:
Just to backup HouseofPain:
I am now into week 6 waiting...

I just happened to read this thread before the name was removed and now I am really concerned.

Hopefully this gets all sorted out.

I will email some mods at the end of this week if it does not show.
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Please email me now.

Quad
 
genarr3 said:

That's exactly what should be done. I believe there is too much "keep quiet until we know for sure" and "We don't want to ruin a good thing" going on with this sort of thing.

If she/he comes through in time this will be forgotten. I hate to sound hard because I know Quad believes in this one, and that does make a big difference here. But a big dip in orders will teach a business not to make that same mistake again.
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Her and I talked at length to try to keep this from happening again.

Quad
 
I believe this.....the fault is not her but where the order comes from...there is different shipping method depending on the order placed.
Quad is golden in what he says!!!

RADAR
 
houseofpain said:
I didn't find out about Mr. X's deal with her to wait yet another week. This deal was done independently of me and without my knowledge. Consequently I didn't find out about it until after I already posted her as a scammer.

So after blowing me of for 3 months and giving me a half dozen excuses, I go talk to the mods about it. Until she started getting complaints from multiple mods, she was perfectly happy to keep letting me and my order twist in the wind.

So now she provides a greek tracking number that no one can read except for her, as proof that she finally made good after being threatened to be listed as a scammer.

Well I think screwing someone over on an order, keeping their money for over 3 months, and then only delivering (if she actually does) after being threatened, doesn't make her a source that MOST people wouldn't want to give their hard earned money to. And it's probably a name that everyone here should know about so they can make up their own mind.

But if you think those kinds of business practices are acceptible just because she's your friend, then hey... what can I do ? I'm not a mod, I'm just a lowly elite board member and regular contributor...
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Bro, what are you talking about, I personally emailed you telling you that she had until next friday because she provided a track #.

You came to me asking for help, I helped resolve the situation and now you're not NOT listening to the situation. Thus, the source is not a scammer until after the 14th of Nov if she does NOT deliver.

Mr.X
 
Mr.X said:



Bro, what are you talking about, I personally emailed you telling you that she had until next friday because she provided a track #.

You came to me asking for help, I helped resolve the situation and now you're not NOT listening to the situation. Thus, the source is not a scammer until after the 14th of Nov if she does NOT deliver.

Mr.X
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Thank you X! I would just lock this but I do not feel it iis my place.

Quad
 
It is no secret she is known for being slow, partial orders, and incorrect orders which she tries to make up for by sending "freebies". Usually the errors are not hers but her contacts who ship - SO WHAT!

Reliability is an issue, and it is no secret.

I am not even going to use the word scammer here, but reliability is an issue. If it is speed and accuracy you are after, look elsewhere.

No need to flame me or others for stating facts. Afterall that is why we are here, to exchange information, facts, and experience to better the BB community.
 
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