Roy Jones Jr VS Tito Ortiz

[KAYNE]

I KNOW ABOUT ROYCE. HE IS UNREAL. HE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER GRACIES ON TYSON. BUT I REALLY DONT SEE A 160LB MAN GETTING PAST ONE HIT FROM TYSON.

THE GUY THAT HE FOUGHT WAS A REGULAR ULTIMATE FIGHTER. I SAW ALL OF HIS EARLY FIGHTS. TYSON IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.

ROYCE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET IN ON TYSON CUZ HE IS EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG AND FAST. HE COULD PROBABLY WITHSTAND TYSON'S ORIGINAL BLOWS AND GET HIM TO THE GROUND.

ROYCE RETIRED CUZ HE KNEW HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BEAT SHAMROCK AGAIN. HE BEAT HIM THE FIRST TIME THEN KEN ADJUSTED HIS STYLE. HE NVR SAW ANY STYLE LIKE ROYCE'S STYLE, THATS WHY HE GOT CHOKED OUT IN UFC 2. HE CAME BACK IN 3 AND FOUGHT TO A DRAW WITH KEN. THEN HE RETIRED. SHAMROCK HAD DEFENSES FOR ALL OF GRACIE'S MOVES.



KAYNE

 

[KAYNE]

KEEP IN MIND THAT TYSON ISNT VERY TALL. HIS CENTER OF GRAVITY WILL MAKE IT EXTREMELY HARD FOR SOMEONE TO GET IN ON HIM WITHOUT GETTING HIT QUITE A FEW TIMES BY HIS SHORT, FAST, POWERFUL HANDS.

IT WOULD ONLY TAKE ONE SHOT FOR HIM TO KNOCK OUT A 150LB MAN. NO MATTER HOW TOUGH HE IS. TYSON WOULD GET HIS SHOT IN THAT SITUATION IMO.



KAYNE

 

[ZenMachine]

I KNOW ABOUT ROYCE. HE IS UNREAL. HE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE THAN ANY OF THE OTHER GRACIES ON TYSON. BUT I REALLY DONT SEE A 160LB MAN GETTING PAST ONE HIT FROM TYSON.

THE GUY THAT HE FOUGHT WAS A REGULAR ULTIMATE FIGHTER. I SAW ALL OF HIS EARLY FIGHTS. TYSON IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.

ROYCE WOULD PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET IN ON TYSON CUZ HE IS EXCEPTIONALLY STRONG AND FAST. HE COULD PROBABLY WITHSTAND TYSON'S ORIGINAL BLOWS AND GET HIM TO THE GROUND.

ROYCE RETIRED CUZ HE KNEW HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BEAT SHAMROCK AGAIN. HE BEAT HIM THE FIRST TIME THEN KEN ADJUSTED HIS STYLE. HE NVR SAW ANY STYLE LIKE ROYCE'S STYLE, THATS WHY HE GOT CHOKED OUT IN UFC 2. HE CAME BACK IN 3 AND FOUGHT TO A DRAW WITH KEN. THEN HE RETIRED. SHAMROCK HAD DEFENSES FOR ALL OF GRACIE'S MOVES.



KAYNE

Kayne,

Your Royce information couldn't be more wrong. Royce is not strong at all. He uses no strength, he is all technique. His takedowns are nothing to write home about either. Royce's older brother Rickson is generally accepted to be the best Jiu Jitsu player in the Gracie family. But none of them are known for their takedown ability. They mostly pull guard.

In the hypothetical Tyson fight, a ground and pound wrestler would end the fight most quickly, in my opinion. Shoot a double leg. Pound into submission.

Interesting note, Tyson is a huge fan of the Mixed Martial Arts and Tito Ortiz's Team Punishment.

Shannon Briggs, former Heavyweight Boxer has joined the Brazilian Top Team (A MMA fight team). Not sure if he is going to be a trainer or will actually fight.

 

[PolishHammer1977]

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Interesting note, Tyson is a huge fan of the Mixed Martial Arts and Tito Ortiz's Team Punishment.

Shannon Briggs, former Heavyweight Boxer has joined the Brazilian Top Team (A MMA fight team). Not sure if he is going to be a trainer or will actually fight. [/B]

He might be referring to Rickson Graice. He was tough as nails. It ouw dbe very interesting to see how Briggs does in th eMMA scene. Anything is possible.

Tyson, IMO wouldn't have had a shot in hell. For all the reaosn that you guys have listed. Do you think Team Punishment would allow Tyson to join? Lets play a game of make believe?

 

[KAYNE]

ZEN

MY INFORMATION ISNT WRONG, YOU JUST INTERPRETED IT WRONG. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT STRENGTH, AS FAR AS WEIGHT GOES. I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE CAN TAKE (AS BEING A BIGGER, STRONGER MAN THAN THE 150 BROTHER), AND WHEN HE IS ON THE GROUND.

YOU TALK ABOUT HIM PULLING GUARD, THATS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS TO DO MOST OF THE TIME. THAT IS WHERE HE IS MOST EFFECTIVE. HE SUBMITTED MOST OF HIS OPPONENTS IN UFC FROM THE GUARD, INCLUDING SHAMROCK. ONCE HE HAS YOU IN A MOVE, YOU WILL NOT GET OUT. THAT IS THE STRENGHT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

I KNOW ITS ABOUT TECHNIQUE AS WELL. THEN HIS STRENGTH COMES INTO PLAY. SOME LITTLE WEAK GUY COULDNT HOLD A MOVE ON SOMEONE WHO WAS VERY STRONG.




KAYNE