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Rotator Cuff Injury - Train on or lay up?

nzrodney

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Yeah its a BBers nightmare come true for me. Three weeks ago at the gym performing lat pulldowns behind the neck. Normally dont do them but my smart ass partner strapped me into couple sets. Bang shit happened, & made a real mess of my rotator cuff, primarlily supraspinatus & because of lack of stabilising muscles my humerus has moved forward in the joint. Been working intensively with my sports physio & made some improvements but still cant do any shoulder, or bicep work, back is somewhat limited as is chest. I'm gutted as Im training for a comp next year in August & been doing best ever weight gains & training gains. Heavily geared up. Loosing weight 9 lbs in 3 weeks. Thing is I'm getting a lot of conflicting advise from people in the game. Some say train around it go light etc, others say take a complete break for 2-3 weeks. Your comments be appreciated.
 
When I hurt my self I just ran for a month to keep things working

the only thing that will heal Rotator issues is Complete time OFF
but you have to be active

Running is your best bet
 
Again, lstn to OMEGA. Take complete time off. I've injured my shoulder before and I knw the amount of pain that you will have to put up with if you don't take time off, let alone the repurcussions like not being able to train again if you mess it up even more, without taking time off.
 
its the only thing that will heal that Tissue Type ( which has longer recovery unlike muscles with High Blood Flow)

the key is challenging ACTIVE recovery and running is challenging enough to keep the whole body in line unlike a stair stepper, or bike.
 
i had shoulder problems didnt wana hear about them just kept doing wat i did with sports nd lifting i fucked myself up nd had to get surgery so if u wana have to do that then fuck it enjoy nd i kno u wont u have to be sitting up for about a month straight cant lay down hurts to much nd painful to eat painful to do anything even on perks nd vicks shit still kills im about a year in after surgery and still having pain but doc says i will have pain for another year but to be careful about it so if its tore and doc says it is then stop everything nd listen to him go to pt nd try to let it heal
 
LOL....well that was a graphical and less scientific explanation than what OMEGA and I were saying...but it's obvious that you need to rest...Besides, if you've been working out for some time now, you would know that you cannot lose your body in a month. Just keep a good diet, sleep well, and run....you'll be back in the gym in no time. Good luck.
 
The_Alcatraz said:
LOL....well that was a graphical and less scientific explanation than what OMEGA and I were saying...but it's obvious that you need to rest...Besides, if you've been working out for some time now, you would know that you cannot lose your body in a month. Just keep a good diet, sleep well, and run....you'll be back in the gym in no time. Good luck.

just tring to let this guy kno the deal i didnt stop nd my bi was totally tore away from my shoulder plus all the shit that built up from using the rotator cuff fucked up shit if its tore like he said chances r that it wont heal totally
 
Coming from som eone in the medical field you need to rest it. These guys here know what they are talking about. Get what Ghost said and exercise like Omega advised and your golden.
 
i had a shoulder injury from years of heavy bench. i didnt take any time off & tried 2 work through it. almost all my lifts suffered. i ended up having surgery a year later.

u can still do certain exercises such as hyperextensions for lower back, all calf exercises, hamstrings (no deadlifts), quads (no squats or barbell lunges). though u might risk your physique becoming unbalanced most r already lacking in legs so this will be an opportune time 2 catch up. use your other liftiNg days 4 cardio & therapy.
 
Yes guys most of you are of the opinion that rest is required. I did not train any upper body for nearly two weeks. Gave legs a hammering but this has to be a lot of machine work because resting 400lbs on a fucked shoulder in a squat rack is not that good I found out. I have had other injuries which I have trained through with guidance from both my physoi & sports physician. They are both of the opinion that it is beneficial to do training through most injuries but obviously there has to be compensation in weight & exercise type. I have sucessfully recovered from other injuries using this regime. Omega, you are of the opinion that this group of muscles are specific muscle type & requires complete rest. I will inquire into this more. Thanks to others for their comments. I hear you all.
 
Behind the neck pull downs are old school and nobody does them any more for just that reason. One of the worst excersizes you can do.
 
nzrodney said:
Yeah its a BBers nightmare come true for me. Three weeks ago at the gym performing lat pulldowns behind the neck. Normally dont do them but my smart ass partner strapped me into couple sets. Bang shit happened, & made a real mess of my rotator cuff, primarlily supraspinatus & because of lack of stabilising muscles my humerus has moved forward in the joint. Been working intensively with my sports physio & made some improvements but still cant do any shoulder, or bicep work, back is somewhat limited as is chest. I'm gutted as Im training for a comp next year in August & been doing best ever weight gains & training gains. Heavily geared up. Loosing weight 9 lbs in 3 weeks. Thing is I'm getting a lot of conflicting advise from people in the game. Some say train around it go light etc, others say take a complete break for 2-3 weeks. Your comments be appreciated.

Welcome to one of the most feared injuries of a bodybuilders career.Wish there were some better answers for ya, my chest has suffered for years now because of my falure to get the surgery Done !
 
your in a bad spot bro I've been there. Its easy to tell you to rest, it is prolly the best thing to do. But I completely understand how much it drives a bodybuilder crazy to be outa the gym. I almost fucking die if I have to miss 1 day. But I recently was in the same situation, and for the most part I stayed outa the gym. Ages times I just couldn't do it though. My advice is bite the bullet and stay outa the gym. But if you must dont go to hard, no one knows your body better than you, you know what it can handle. Good luck bro
 
damn bro that sucks. just rest it for a few weeks and do like omega said and do some running, elliptical, or stationary bike. Maybe jab the spot with some deca.
 
i had a friend in football that messed both of his rotator cups up and he couldnt quit lifting and playing football it was mid season and but every time he would bench it would go out he has had back surgery and everything and he said this by far was the worst thing that could ever happen to a BB or athelete
 
dannomight said:
damn bro that sucks. just rest it for a few weeks and do like omega said and do some running, elliptical, or stationary bike. Maybe jab the spot with some Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - .
Doing just that Eq as well
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
your in a bad spot bro I've been there. Its easy to tell you to rest, it is prolly the best thing to do. But I completely understand how much it drives a bodybuilder crazy to be outa the gym. I almost fucking die if I have to miss 1 day. But I recently was in the same situation, and for the most part I stayed outa the gym. Ages times I just couldn't do it though. My advice is bite the bullet and stay outa the gym. But if you must dont go to hard, no one knows your body better than you, you know what it can handle. Good luck bro
Yeah I'm as addicted as you bro. It is the hardest thing for me not to train.
 
holy ghost said:
get that growth and igf and Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate -


I agree with Ghost that stuff should help speed up recovery. Also do physical therapy for your shoulder but no lifting, if you have bands they are great for physical therapy and also aid in keeping your muscles from wasting away while you are off. I would continue to do legs though.........probably no squats though obviously. Thats just my opinion. But rest and recovery is the most important, Muscles do have memory so gaining back to the point that you are at before the injury isn't as hard as it would be for a newbie.
 
Trendsetter21 said:
I agree with Ghost that stuff should help speed up recovery. Also do physical therapy for your shoulder but no lifting, if you have bands they are great for physical therapy and also aid in keeping your muscles from wasting away while you are off. I would continue to do legs though.........probably no squats though obviously. Thats just my opinion. But rest and recovery is the most important, Muscles do have memory so gaining back to the point that you are at before the injury isn't as hard as it would be for a newbie.
Cheers Mate, Im waiting for some supplies to arrive. The GH may not be here in time its almost impossible to obtain down here. I trained legs today no squats just hammered out leg press, hack squats, extensions for quads, hamie curls & romanian deadlifts for hams. All good. I think I have to keep training something, I know its against the advice here but its going to fuck my head in if I dont. Im working with a good physio & being real careful with anything upper body. Have stretches & strengthening work to do for the shoulder. We are monitoring the process every 2nd day, so I guess I will just go with that & see how things develop. tks nz
 
what kind of injury is it if it is torn it requires surgery it want heal. i just had the surgery 4months ago. sounds like what that call a slap tear where your bicep tendon attatches. before injury i could bench 500+ now back up to 405 for 3 to 4 reps. before surgery could not do 135 and let rest for 2 months.
 
That big ugly gangster mouth gunna get ya in trouble one day big boy. I can still wack your brown ass with my left hand LOL
 
holy ghost said:
haha you mfcker

imma twist ya other shoulder up give ya double rotator cuff ya wont be able to bake cookies no more
Still be able to kick those wee balls up into ya throat, that give ya somethin to chew on !!
 
ooOOOo a thread i can relate to :)

i just found out that i fractured my collarbone and have a pretty torn AC joint (separated shoulder) but that was roughly 2 and a half months ago. it strains to do upper body (especially chest and chin-up exercises) but i can go through it. just my shoulder gets very sore the next day, even doing high reps/low weight. wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and what they did. most of me just wants to keep working out and get huge, which would hopefully in turn fix my shoulder.
any suggestions?
 
safety4lyfe said:
ooOOOo a thread i can relate to :)

i just found out that i fractured my collarbone and have a pretty torn AC joint (separated shoulder) but that was roughly 2 and a half months ago. it strains to do upper body (especially chest and chin-up exercises) but i can go through it. just my shoulder gets very sore the next day, even doing high reps/low weight. wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and what they did. most of me just wants to keep working out and get huge, which would hopefully in turn fix my shoulder.
any suggestions?
Sorry to hear that bro. Done my collarbone in years ago. It heals real strong but mine always had a bit sticking out on the break. As for the shoulder joint. Well chins I would say are a no no, Wide grip bench also, anything where you are putting undue stress on the sholder joint & rotators. Get some physio if you are not already doing so. . All the guys on here say lay up but thats real hard to do ah? You have just got to reduce you weights down to virtually nothing if necessary. See what agrivates it. Stop doing that if it does. If you put your hands down by your sides & then arc them up till they meet at the top, you will find this is a good measure of your shoulder stability. If you do this after each set your working & no problems carry on. If you have difficulty doing this maybe your arms dont raise evenly, or there is pain, this indicates that that exercise is not right for you at present or too heavy.
Good luck on your recovery. I know how you feel, Bro!
 
nzro, thats for the feedback brother!
i cant do physio yet cuz the doc said to hold up on that until my collar is fully healed :(
but he told me, like i said, just stick to high reps/low weight, but i just feel like one of those beach bros in my gym, who only go for pure muscle definition, instead of muscle mass. id really rather not be affiliated with them in any way

oh well what can you do...
 
but i just feel like one of those beach bros in my gym, who only go for pure muscle definition, instead of muscle mass. id really rather not be affiliated with them in any way

LOL....take it easy on the collarbone....lay off the workouts...
 
I had a shoulder injury as well not too long ago. (acromioclavicular separation) PAINFUL AS HELL! Couldn't lift, couldn't sleep on that side for 3 months.

At first, I ignored it and continued lifting as much as possible but the pain became unbearable. I took 8 weeks off and had several sessions of physiotherapy. I then started lifting in moderation to get strength back into the joint. Everythings been fine since.

Good luck. I know how you feel.
 
With all respect, this ought to get some input from the TRAINING and MEDICAL forums. Not much to do with steroids here, right?
 
digger said:
With all respect, this ought to get some input from the TRAINING and MEDICAL forums. Not much to do with steroids here, right?
Appreciate your point here Boss, but I originally posted my problem in the medical forum & got 1 reply. Theres just not enough traffic down there. I'm sorry if I'm out of form on this one.
 
To do the lying L-fly, lie on your right side on a bench while placing your right hand on the floor for balance. With a small plate or very light dumbbell in your left hand, form a 90° angle at your left elbow. Then put your left elbow on your left oblique muscles (or hip, depending on your body structure). Lower the weight until your left forearm rests against your abs, then raise your left lower arm as far as possible. Always keep your left elbow against your side. Inhale on the descent, and exhale on the ascent. Finish the set, turn around, and then work your right side.

Do the exercise slowly—at least two seconds for the lifting phase and another two seconds for the lowering phase. And use a weight which permits you to perform at least 8 reps with no more than 5 lbs for a man, or half of that for a woman. Add weight very slowly. Depending on training experience, a man may need a year or more to build up to using just 10 lbs. This is
quite a lot of weight for this movement; and 15 lbs may be enough for even a very strong man. Never train shoulder external rotation to failure. Keep the very last rep in you. Never get to the point where you need to raise your elbow or roll backwards a little.

The lying L-fly can help your shoulders. But push it too much or too quickly, and you will irritate your shoulders. After a few months of consistent work on the lying L-fly you can progress to the standing L-fly, or even use both movements in a program—one work set of each per arm.

Standing L-FLy


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Stand alongside an incline bench. The top of the bench should be positioned at the height of your nipples. Bend at your knees or raise the height of the bench to achieve this positioning. With a small plate or very light dumbbell in your left hand, rest your left lower triceps on the top edge of the bench. Then place your right hand on the bench directly under the lower triceps of your left arm. Keep your left elbow bent at a right angle throughout the exercise.

The angle between the bench and your shoulders should be about 60°, and certainly less than 90°. Starting with your left hand pointing to the ceiling, slowly lower the plate or dumbbell to a little below the point where your forearm is parallel to the floor. At this point your left forearm will be down on the opposite side of the bench to where you are standing. Then slowly raise the weight to the upright position. Inhale on the descent, and exhale on the ascent. During each set you must maintain the initial setup that has the top edge of the bench level with your nipples.

Do not lift or lower your torso. When you have finished training your left side, change over and work your right side. The safety rules of the lying L-fly apply to the standing version: Use slow and controlled form, avoid low reps, do not change your elbow positioning or angle during a set, and do not work to total failure.






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