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RickRock's down with NPP (...and Test E/Dbol)

RickRock13

RickRock13

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Well, I wasn't going to start a log but after hearing a lot of people interested in how this cycle will go I changed my mind....lol. I'm not sure how much I will be able to update between my work schedule, my work for Nathan, and having two kids at home to take care of but I will do my best!! I probably won't be nearly as detailed as I normally am, but will offer as much as I can.

Here is the set up...

1-12 Test E 500mg week (250mg M, F)
1-10 NPP 300mg week (100mg M,W,F)
1-4 Dbol 45mg ED

GOAL: The goal here is obviously mass, but I would like to try and keep this as lean as possible. I hate bodyfat with a passion, bit I'm being more lenient during this cycle on calories and letting it climb a little bit in favor of more muscle.

Starting stats:
5'9"
172.5
7.6% bodyfat

Goal: 190 and staying under 10%

DIET: A lot of guys that know me are aware that I am a big advocate of intermittent fasting and that I follow it religiously regardless of goal. This cycle is no exception. I will be doing a variation of it that looks like this

Workout days: 3500 cals
Cardio days: 2500 cals

Protein will be consistent at 250-300g on both workout and cardio days. Carbs are will be high on workout days and moderate on cardio days while fats will be moderate on workout days and low on cardio days.

I will do the normal 16 hour fast and 8 hour feed on my cardio days, but I will be doing a 12 hour fast with a 12 hour feed (breaking fast post workout) on workout days for more protein synthesis and muscle gain.

TRAINING:

Workout days: (M,W,F)I do DC training and absolutely love it. I will be doing it here on cycle also. For those that aren't familiar with it, I will post the plan up sometime later with all the exercises I'm using.

Cardio days: (Tues,Thurs,Sat or Sun)
My cardio will mostly be LISS consisting of incline treadmill walking. I will also be throwing 15 minutes of HIIT in every now and then. Sessions will be 30-45 minutes.

ON CYCLE:
N2guard
Taurine
Formastanozol (6 pumps 2xday)
Caber 0.5mg 2x week
HCGenerate (starting week 3)

I also have adex and Letro on hand if needed, but I'm guessing forma is all i will need (not very prone to estrogen sides)

PCT:
Clomid 50/25/25/12.5
Unleashed
Phytoserms 347
Formastanozol
D-test (DAA, LCLT powerchews)

Pics to come!

Join me!
 
Glad you are here guys. Today is actually day 5 of this cycle (started Monday). Weight was at 177 this morning, so up almost 5 lbs already. I know its just water and glycogen, but the fullness and pumps have been awesome!

Definition has blurred a tad in my abs a little from the extra water, but the bloat has been a little less than I expected so far.

All my lifts were better than I expected them to be today. With DC the idea is to do a total of 11-15 reps through the 3 rest, pause sets and I was well above that through the exercises so I will be increasing weight quite a bit the next time these exercises are repeated. It was a guessing game on where to start with weight on these and with DC you progress in weight and/or reps every workout, so you don't want to start too heavy too early or you will stall fast. Its all about progression!

DC workout 1B (chest, shoulders, triceps, back width, back thickness)

Starting weights:

All rest pause sets to failure (20 seconds rest between sets) and extreme fascia stretching done between each exercise for each muscle group.

Smith incline Bench 220x12x5x3
Smith Military press 160x11x5x3
Smith close grip bench 220x13x7x4
Lat pulldowns 200x12x7x5
Tbar rows 215x9, 225x6
 
Like it... I have always preferred NPP over Deca. Nice cycle... I wish you much success.


55 and still fucking dangerous
 
Nice one man! I'll def be keeping up with you on this... I'm amazed how few cals you can get away with 2.5-3.5k... I'm eating prob 2-3k now on a cut... No wonder you're ripped within an inch of your life lol
 
MattJS said:
Nice one man! I'll def be keeping up with you on this... I'm amazed how few cals you can get away with 2.5-3.5k... I'm eating prob 2-3k now on a cut... No wonder you're ripped within an inch of your life lol
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My maintenance is actually around 2300-2400 per day, and pretty normal for my weight and age. You must have a fairly fast metabolism if you are cutting on 3k or doing an assload of cardio
 
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Day 9
Weight 181.5 (+9)

Well, here I am at day 9 and up 9 lbs already. I looking bigger and fuller by the day for sure. The only negative I have is that the water retention is messing with my head a little bit. It's making me think I'm gaining more fat than I really am because of its effect on definition. I do actually still look pretty lean though. It's just the deeper cuts are blurred and washed out some. Other than that ive had pretty much zero side effects so far.

The PIP from NPP is not bad, but it is definitely worse than the test E. the oil seems to be thicker as well, and it takes longer to draw. This is no big deal to me at all, but just though I would comment on it.

Yesterday's workout went really pretty good. Pumps are getting pretty ridiculous at times and with a good pump I just look bigger than I ever have. I think that is excellent considering I'm only 9 days in right now!

DC Workout 2B (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

Each exercise done with 3 rest pause sets (20 second rest between sets) except where noted. Extreme stretches done following each exercise

BB Curls 115x9x4x3
Reverse BB Curls (straight set) 75x13
Standing calf raises (straight set with enhanced positive and negative- 5 second positive hold, ten second negative hold) 250x12
Lying single leg curls 110x10x5x3
Hack Squats 360x14 (straight set) 320x20 (straight set-widowmaker)
 
RickRock13 said:
Day 9
Weight 181.5 (+9)

Well, here I am at day 9 and up 9 lbs already. I looking bigger and fuller by the day for sure. The only negative I have is that the water retention is messing with my head a little bit. It's making me think I'm gaining more fat than I really am because of its effect on definition. I do actually still look pretty lean though. It's just the deeper cuts are blurred and washed out some. Other than that ive had pretty much zero side effects so far.

The PIP from NPP is not bad, but it is definitely worse than the test E. the oil seems to be thicker as well, and it takes longer to draw. This is no big deal to me at all, but just though I would comment on it.

Yesterday's workout went really pretty good. Pumps are getting pretty ridiculous at times and with a good pump I just look bigger than I ever have. I think that is excellent considering I'm only 9 days in right now!

DC Workout 2B (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

Each exercise done with 3 rest pause sets (20 second rest between sets) except where noted. Extreme stretches done following each exercise

BB Curls 115x9x4x3
Reverse BB Curls (straight set) 75x13
Standing calf raises (straight set with enhanced positive and negative- 5 second positive hold, ten second negative hold) 250x12
Lying single leg curls 110x10x5x3
Hack Squats 360x14 (straight set) 320x20 (straight set-widowmaker)
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That's awesome bro, I Wana do similar to this for my winter bulking cycle. Ur ripped man n after the dbol is finished u will probs drop bit of that water away n look even better. Keep killing it ill b following :)

"obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated"
 
Wow big gains bro. Glad to hear that NPP you have is smooth, nothing sucks more in a ED EOD pin cycle then PIP..what brand is it if ya don't mind asking?

The bloat/water weight from D-bol is the very reason I like T-bol better person personally, but D-bol will always be a preferred kick start on a bulk cycle.
 
Gorilla-Pharma said:
Wow big gains bro. Glad to hear that NPP you have is smooth, nothing sucks more in a ED EOD pin cycle then PIP..what brand is it if ya don't mind asking?

The bloat/water weight from D-bol is the very reason I like T-bol better person personally, but D-bol will always be a preferred kick start on a bulk cycle.
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Yeh the good thing is that the bloat is temporary. Its not exactly beach weather here right now anyways, but it is still a mindfuck for those of us who take pride in staying pretty ripped most of the time.

I do plan on ripping up and shredding some fat in the final weeks of the cycle too.

I can't name the brand of gear I use out of respect for forum rules bro
 
etoussier said:
Swoll Patrol, I am very interested in what you are saying. I am not a bodybuilder, particularly, but I have taken growth hormone since June of 1998 and I consider myself well informed on growth hormone, and less on others.

We have a discussion board for persons taking growth hormone by sub-cutaneous injection which I invite all of you to join if you are interested in this... one of the questions that constantly is asked and which we have never been able to answer very well is "What is the maximum dose of growth hormone that we should take, without having any bad side effects?" I am not necessarily interested in muscles, although that is welcome too... but I am mostly interested in all the good results that come from a low dose of growth hormone without any side effects, and in determining which is the maximum amount of growth hormone that we can take, everyday, forever if possible. I am taking 1.5 i.u.'s per day, with excellent results for my purpose, which is staying young and healthy for as long as possible. If growth hormone cost one penny per day, some doctors say that 2 i.u.'s per day is better than 1.5 i.u., and I would probably experiment with two or three i.u.'s per day, and even more...

So I'm interested in your statement: "You should do no less than 3 ius a day... I strongly recommend 4-8 ius for good results at no less than 5 days a week for a peroid of at least 6 wks"

Can you tell me, please, at a dose of 8 i.u.'s per day have you (or anybody else that you know) gotten any side effects such as pain in your wrists or swelling of fingers or joints, etc.? (this would be, I think, one of the first side effects from an overdose of growth hormone before much more serious side effects.) What is the largest dose that you have taken yourself, and for how long, and can you describe if you had any pains at all because of this?

You also state: "MIx plenty of test with it your receptors stay fully open when one is on gh" Can you tell me where you learned that the receptors stay fully open when one is on GH, and which receptors are you referring to? Thanks.

I am the moderator of a discussion board on growth hormone taken by sub-cutaneous injection, for any purpose or reason. I invite everybody interested in this to subscribe to Rejuvenation (free, of course)
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I also invite you to read my Rejuvenation page, which describes my experience with growth hormone and other rejuvenating therapies (I should be 55 years old, but I probably won't be, for another 15 years, maybe...)
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I live in Mexico, and I have helped many people to buy authentic growth hormone for much less than it usually costs in the U.S.
Please contact me directly if this interests you... I don't want to abuse the courtesy of this discussion board.

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Glad you are here bro!
 
maccy said:
That's awesome bro, I Wana do similar to this for my winter bulking cycle. Ur ripped man n after the dbol is finished u will probs drop bit of that water away n look even better. Keep killing it ill b following :)

"obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated"
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Thanks for joining bro. The water is temporary I know. By the end of the cycle I should be looking pretty good If I can shred up enough the final weeks.
 
RickRock13 said:
Day 9
Weight 181.5 (+9)

Well, here I am at day 9 and up 9 lbs already. I looking bigger and fuller by the day for sure. The only negative I have is that the water retention is messing with my head a little bit. It's making me think I'm gaining more fat than I really am because of its effect on definition. I do actually still look pretty lean though. It's just the deeper cuts are blurred and washed out some. Other than that ive had pretty much zero side effects so far.

The PIP from NPP is not bad, but it is definitely worse than the test E. the oil seems to be thicker as well, and it takes longer to draw. This is no big deal to me at all, but just though I would comment on it.

Yesterday's workout went really pretty good. Pumps are getting pretty ridiculous at times and with a good pump I just look bigger than I ever have. I think that is excellent considering I'm only 9 days in right now!

DC Workout 2B (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

Each exercise done with 3 rest pause sets (20 second rest between sets) except where noted. Extreme stretches done following each exercise

BB Curls 115x9x4x3
Reverse BB Curls (straight set) 75x13
Standing calf raises (straight set with enhanced positive and negative- 5 second positive hold, ten second negative hold) 250x12
Lying single leg curls 110x10x5x3
Hack Squats 360x14 (straight set) 320x20 (straight set-widowmaker)
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What's your calorie intake bro? It took me 4 weeks to gain 10 pounds
 
Hey rick was curious why Test e and not prop with NPP? Wont the NPP kick in before the test?
Im doing a similar cycle NPP prop and anavar starting in a week!
 
How did I miss this?!

I'm in man best of luck to you, although I know that you'll make your own.

No Sarmssearch SARMs in that PCT? Some of the best quality OSTA on the market would look mighty nice in there :D
 
Rick,

I don't do any cardio, however with my diet being near 100% clean and very low in carbs 2-3k a day is ripping me up nicely.... 9lbs is a big gain alright, my guess is you're gonna be MASSIVE in about two weeks :evil:
 
broski87 said:
Hey rick was curious why Test e and not prop with NPP? Wont the NPP kick in before the test?
Im doing a similar cycle NPP prop and anavar starting in a week!
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Yep, NPP will be at peak levels far before the test and that's fine with me. I prefer long estered test, and I don't like the idea of pinning EOD. Even with NPP I only pin 3x week
 
liffalot said:
How did I miss this?!

I'm in man best of luck to you, although I know that you'll make your own.

No Sarmssearch SARMs in that PCT? Some of the best quality OSTA on the market would look mighty nice in there :D
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Yeh bro I totally forgot to mention it. I will have sarmssearch Ostarine in PCT, just like I always do!!
 
Thats tight bro ur goal is similar to mine. I think you will like your gains!! PS ur arms and delts are massive im almost scared to see how much bigger they get.
 
I'm liking the gains so far, sorry if I missed this but were you running an ai with the dbol? Maybe ill go read back : P nice gains this far though man it's impressive :)


Nvm I read back and see that you are.
 
broski87 said:
Thats tight bro ur goal is similar to mine. I think you will like your gains!! PS ur arms and delts are massive im almost scared to see how much bigger they get.
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Arms and shoulders are definitely one of my strong points, which is why I'm trying to put more emphasis on my chest, back, and quads during this cycle which are my weaker areas.
 
RickRock13 said:
Arms and shoulders are definitely one of my strong points, which is why I'm trying to put more emphasis on my chest, back, and quads during this cycle which are my weaker areas.
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In for this my brother! Forgive my tardiness bro, super busy!

what is your normal rep range on leg days bro? When I switched to 20 rep front squats, my quads shattered a plateau and blew up like I wad a noob again. Just some food for thought

Can't wait to see the outcone here!
 
bigbassturd said:
In for this my brother! Forgive my tardiness bro, super busy!

what is your normal rep range on leg days bro? When I switched to 20 rep front squats, my quads shattered a plateau and blew up like I wad a noob again. Just some food for thought

Can't wait to see the outcone here!
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My re ranges are the same for almost everything since I do DC, which is a total of 11-15 reps through 3 rest, pause sets. Typically 7-10 first set (rest 20 seconds) 2-4 more reps (rest 20 seconds) then 1-2 reps

With that said, quads are an exception. Its one straight set of 10-12 reps followed by one widowmaker set of around 20 reps. Legs are on fire after that!
 
I love the title lol

Also love NPP. It will be very good to you buddy. Good luck to you
 
Day 11

Weight: 183 (+10.5)

Weight is still gradually climbing, and I'm looking bigger and Fuller by the day. I have felt a big increase in hardness also and pumps have just become ridiculous.

No side effects whatsoever so far, other than a little bit of back and calf pumps. I've had to change up my cardio a little bit because my calves are starting to hurt quite a bit if they get too much work. I'm going to throw a little more Taurine in and see how that does and may increase water intake more though I already feel like I'm pissing every 10 minutes...lol

Workouts are going great. I feel strong and energetic through the whole session. I have a feeling strength is going to explode very soon, and I can't wait! This workout I still did exceed my targeted rep range on everything so I will definitely be adding a decent amount of weight the next time these are repeated.

DC Workout 1C

(Chest, shoulders, triceps, Back width, Back thickness)

*all exercises are rest, pause sets to failure (20 seconds rest between sets) except deadlifts

Hammer strength chest press 305x11x6x3
Standing overhead BB Press 145x11x5x3
Reverse grip smith bench press 230x12x6x5
Rack Chins BW+60x11x5x4
Rack Deads 225x12, 245x8 (still working on getting my back lined out right with chiropractor visits, and can't go real heavy with deadlifts)
 
You are without a doubt just killing this cycle. I would ease into the deads, as well if I were you. I've been there and had back issues in past, and it can ruin the hole cycle if an injury occurs. Keep killing it bro.
 
Day 15
Weight: 182.5 (+10)
Pinned 250mg test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
45mg Dbol

Its been a few days since I updated, so I will just bring you guys up to speeding what's been going on. A few days ago, I was at 183 and really showing the bloat and then literally the next day I dropped about 3 lbs of water and looked much more ripped than I had for a while. Since that time I've added almost the same amount of weight back, but the bloat seems to be mostly staying away. Starting week 3 today and up 10 clean pounds which isn't too shabby 

Still no sides to report, which is great. Libido has been excellent, actually almost too excellent...lol. when you are married with young kids, sometimes a high libido can be a bad thing if you can't take advantage of it...lol

Workouts have been great. No huge strength gains yet, but still a decent amount of progression and definitely getting stronger each workout. I very close to PRs on several exercises and should be setting new ones within the next week or two. 

Here are my last couple workouts...

*all exercises are rest pause sets to failure (20 seconds between sets) except forearms, calves, quads and back thickness

*extreme fascia stretches for 60 seconds after each bodypart

DC workout 2C
(Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

EZ Bar preacher Curls 105x10x5x3
Pinwheel Curls 55sx13
Leg Press Toe Raise 270x13
Sumo Leg Press 540x10x5x4
Leg Press 630x12, 590x22 (widowmaker)


DC Workout 1A
(Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back width, Back thickness)

DB Bench press 105sx14x6x3 (+10 lbs)
DB Shoulder press 85sx9x4x3 (+10 lbs)
Weighted Dips BW+115x10x5x3 (+ 25 lbs)
Weighted Chins BW+35x10x4x3 (+10 lbs)
Single DB rows 115x12, 130x7
 
surprised you are not getting good strength gains from 45mg of dbol bro...

great progress- i sniff afew PR's on the horizon.
the log is excellent , keep killing that shit.
 
The size is coming quickly so its just a matter of time before the strength hits... I have a feeling that one of these workouts very soon, you are just going to explode on the strength... Nice work bro...
 
This is awesome...as if you didn't look bad ass already! Can't wait for the pics. Keep it up
 
DAY 19
Weight: 182 (+9.5)
Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
Dosed 45mg Dbol

Well, I have a few things to update on so here it goes....For almost a week now, my weight has been stagnant. I gained those first ten pounds very quickly, but since then I've stayed at 182-183.y strength really hasn't climbed like I would have expected by now either. It is up, but not by much considering I'm in my 3rd week. I really don't think the Dbol is doing much for me, and may not be for me. I know my diet and training are right there where it needs to be, so its got me a little disappointed. So, because of this I think I'm going to add EPI in now for about 4 weeks, which I respond wonderfully to (favorite compound). This will put me at about 7 weeks on methylated orals, but I'm pretty sure the extra week won't kill me. I was going to run EPI at the back end anyways, but I'm just going to move it up to get these ass and strength gains moving. Then I won't run any methyls at the back end. I may run the new Katana at the back end to help shred a little, but still undecided yet on that.

A big positive is that while my weight remains unchanged, I have been looking a little leaner and dryer...probably from the Forma. I'm also dropping forma when I start EPI because it has anti-e properties and I am not prone to any estrogen issues whatsoever. I will add it back in if need be, but my joints take a beating enough on just the high dose EPI I will be on.

Here is my last couple workouts including today's. I've progressed well on everything considering strength hasn't been incredible or anything. Everything is very close to PRs, and EVERY exercise should be a PR the next time they are repeated.

*All exercises rest, pause sets to failure except forearms, calves, Quads, and back thickness exercises. Extreme stretches done immediately after each muscle group.

DC Workout 2A

(Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)
Alternate DB Curls 60sx9x4x3 (+10 lbs)
DB Hammer Curls 60sx13 (+10 lbs)
Seated Calf Raises 130x11 (+5 lbs)
Leg Curls 225x11x5x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Squats 245x12, 225x20 (+20 lbs)

DC Workout 1B
(Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back Width, Back Thickness)
Smith incline Bench Press 230x10x5x3 (+10 lbs)
Smith Military Press 180x12x5x4 (+20 lbs)
Smith close grip Bench Press 230x10x4x2 (+10 lbs)
Lat Pulldowns 220x12x6x5 (+10 lbs)
Cable Rows 210x10, 220x7


I HAVE PICS TAKEN!!! They are on my home PC, so hopefully later tonight I can get them posted up to show my progress. I also need to get a 3 point caliper test done tonight so I can comment on where I am on bodyfat. Stay tuned!
 
WOOOOO for pics!

Sucks the dbol isn't treating you the way you'd hoped. Of course I've never taken it, but I HAVE done NPP and I got strong as shit on it a year ago when I ran it with primo, lifted more during that cycle than I've ever lifted
 
Live and learn bro...Dbol may not be for you, maybe try Tbol next time or just kick start with Test Prop for 4 weeks. I have some NPP coming and am intrigued to try it, may take a page from psizzle and add it to my Primo Depot and some other goodies for my pre-contest cycle. Keep killing Rick, very good log and great details.

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Ok guys, here are my most recent pics. I think they are decent but I'm not e thirdly happy about the water I'm carrying right now. Other than that, the size increase is evident for sure.

In these pics, I was at 182 and my bodyfat measurement has me at 8.5-9% right now. It may be reading a little higher than actual because of the water retention. Not bad, but to reach my goal of 190@under 10% I'm going to have to watch my cals and keep them from getting too high and keep that cardio going.

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Day 22

Weight: 186.5 (+14)

Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
Dosed 45mg Dbol
Dosed 60mg Epi

Well, some good things are really happening now. I added Epi in 2 days ago, and my weight has jumped up 4 more lbs since then. So, as suspected the Epi was a good move and I'm responding to it quickly just like I always do. The pumps this morning were absolutely RIDICULOUS as well. Muscles have gotten even fuller and I looked bigger than ever this morning.

Now I'm only about 3-4 lbs away from my 190 goal so hopefully I can hit that pretty soon and blow past it! At some point, to be determined I will switch to more of a cut in this cycle. Probably around the midway mark just after the first of the year.

I'm still having no side effects to speak of whatsoever. Libido is high as hell, and life is good!

DC Workout 2B (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

BB Curls 120x9x4x3 (+5 lbs)
Reverse Grip BB Curls 80x13 (+5 lbs)
Standing calf Raises 260x13 (+10 lbs)
Lying single leg curls 112.5x11x6x3 (+5 lbs)
Hack Squats 380x13, 340x20 (+20 lbs)
 
Bad ass bro...makes me want to start some cardio :D...in time, no but really you look awesome brother!!! Setting that bar high...even with your log.

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Definitely a little water in the saddle bag area but holy shit looking absolutely huge man! Keep it up!
 
Wow...holy shit bro......looking great. You will shatter 190lbs with ease as I suspected you would. I am also with you on Epi, I love that compound. Keep up the hard work.
 
Well guys, I have some bad news. A couple days ago I came down with the Flu....BAD!!! I spent two days in bed, with it coming out of one end or the other. I couldn't keep any food down at all the first day (managed to get 2 scoops of whey down and that is it), but nothing else and then maybe 1k cals total yesterday. So I hit the scale this morning and I'm down 6-7 lbs because of this sickness. I weighed in at 179.5 this morning. So....my first workout after this sickness is this morning. Hopefully it doesn't go too bad, but I wouldn't be surprised if my strength is a little down today. I'm going to try and pound the cals as much as I can over the next few days and get my weight back up, but that is where I stand as of now.

The flu always sucks, but talk about bad timing!
 
Thats a horrible kick in the balls bro...dont dwell on it tho.

Lookin hard as nails in the pic update.

well done.
 
RickRock13 said:
Well guys, I have some bad news. A couple days ago I came down with the Flu....BAD!!! I spent two days in bed, with it coming out of one end or the other. I couldn't keep any food down at all the first day (managed to get 2 scoops of whey down and that is it), but nothing else and then maybe 1k cals total yesterday. So I hit the scale this morning and I'm down 6-7 lbs because of this sickness. I weighed in at 179.5 this morning. So....my first workout after this sickness is this morning. Hopefully it doesn't go too bad, but I wouldn't be surprised if my strength is a little down today. I'm going to try and pound the cals as much as I can over the next few days and get my weight back up, but that is where I stand as of now.

The flu always sucks, but talk about bad timing!
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Why do we always get sick right in the middle of a good cycle of something?

Anyway whenever I've had the flue most of the weight I lose is water so I wouldnt be too worried about it. What can you do other than get back to killin it?
 
C0LUMB0 said:
Thats a horrible kick in the balls bro...dont dwell on it tho.

Lookin hard as nails in the pic update.

well done.
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Thanks for the kind words and support Columbo. I appreciate it brother!







liffalot said:
Why do we always get sick right in the middle of a good cycle of something?

Anyway whenever I've had the flue most of the weight I lose is water so I wouldnt be too worried about it. What can you do other than get back to killin it?
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Yeh bro, I didn't think I lost anything important during the sickness, and after my workout today I have no doubt it was just water/glycogen and possibly a little fat. I will update you all on how it went later, but let's just say the workout went much much better than expected! :D
 
Damn, you too? I got it BAD at the end of last month, it was the sickest I've ever been.

Looking good. Im right there with you with the cardio...just keep tellin yourself theres a chick in Texas workin hard too :)
 
Day 29
Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
Dosed 60mg Epi

Weight 182.5 (+10 lbs)


Well, as it turns out....this sickness wasn't done with me yet. Even though I'm pretty much done with the flu, I still have been battling a big part of this sickness that has been kicking my ass for a little while now. I've still had consistent fever, heavy congestion through my chest and sinuses, sore throat, dizziness, and loss of appetite. Despite all of that I have managed to get about half the weight I lost back, and have pushed myself into the gym through these workouts, progressed on everything, and even managed a few PRs. I'm just a little pissed, because I know how much better everything could be if I was at 100% throughout this. I haven't been this sick in years. I guess I can't control that, and I just have to do what I can and keep pushing forward. Life has thrown me a lemon, so I'm going to make the best damn lemonade I can!

I will be making a decision so entire after the new year about whether I want to change my goal or not. There is the possibility that I may transition into more of a cut/recomp for the rest of the duration to shred back up and drop my bodyfat. If I don't seem to be making any significant progress on mass at that time that is probably what I will do. Being shredded is where I'm happiest anyways, and I'd really like to get back to that. I'm somewhere between 8-9% right now, but a little softer than where I like to be.

Sides have still been nonexistent, so that part is still good. No estrogen issues whatsoever, libido has been very strong, and despite the sickness all else has been great.

Here is the numbers from my last 3 workouts....

DC workout 1C (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back Width, Back Thickness)

HS Chest Press 315x12x7x5 (+10 lbs)
Smith Military Press 180x12x7x4 (+10 lbs)
Smith reverse grip Bench press 240x10x6x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Rack Chins +70x12x7x4 (+10 lbs PR)
Dorsiflexor 315x9, 330x7

DC Workout 2C (Biceps, Forearms, Calves, Hamstrings, Quads)

EZ Bar Preacher Curls 110x10x5x3 (+5 lbs)
Pinwheel Curls 60sx12 (+10 lbs)
Leg press toe raise 280x13 (+10 lbs)
Sumo Leg Press 560x11x5x4 (+20 lbs)
Leg Press 690x11, 650x20 (+20 lbs)

DC workout 1A (Chest, Shoulders, Triceps, Back Width, Back Thickness)

DB bench Press 110sx13x6x4 (+10 lbs PR)
HS Shoulder Press 150x14x7x5
Weighted Dips BW+125x12x6x4 (+10 lbs PR)
Weighted Chins BW+40x11x6x4 (+5 lbs)
Single arm DB Rows 120x11, 135x7
 
Hey Rick...did you find running 45 mg of D-bol was too high? I'm still trying to gauge dosage with it, because I see anywhere from 20-50 mgs being the 'perfect' dose. 30 mg a day seems to be what I'll probably go with.
 
Rockwilder said:
Hey Rick...did you find running 45 mg of D-bol was too high? I'm still trying to gauge dosage with it, because I see anywhere from 20-50 mgs being the 'perfect' dose. 30 mg a day seems to be what I'll probably go with.
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Well, I never noticed a damn thing from Dbol to be honest. I probably won't ever run it again. Just wasn't for me
 
Hey Rick just wondering man if you have any input about your cycle you're running I guess I am just finishing up my test e Tren e eq cycle which went pretty good going to lay off for a couple months to repair myself what was wondering when I do go back on cycle planning a vacation in June so probably will do a small 1012 week cycle before then what was kind of worried that since I've done a few Tren cycles would anything be as good to run ,,,,,, I came across your cycle which looks pretty decent as far as time line and compounds,,,,, would you recommend running your cycle before my vacation because I believe NPP is pretty comparable 2 Tren. Right?

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tnez25 said:
Hey Rick just wondering man if you have any input about your cycle you're running I guess I am just finishing up my test e Tren e eq cycle which went pretty good going to lay off for a couple months to repair myself what was wondering when I do go back on cycle planning a vacation in June so probably will do a small 1012 week cycle before then what was kind of worried that since I've done a few Tren cycles would anything be as good to run ,,,,,, I came across your cycle which looks pretty decent as far as time line and compounds,,,,, would you recommend running your cycle before my vacation because I believe NPP is pretty comparable 2 Tren. Right?

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Even though they are both nandrolones, Tren and NPP are very much different. Really nothing can match what you can get with Tren mg for mg, but as far as benefits to sides, NPP seems to be pretty good if that's what you want to know
 
Well I really didn't have too many bad sides the results were great strength went up put on some lean muscle but what I was worried about is running it too many times, I guess my question is after running tren would I still get good results with your cycle

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tnez25 said:
Well I really didn't have too many bad sides the results were great strength went up put on some lean muscle but what I was worried about is running it too many times, I guess my question is after running tren would I still get good results with your cycle

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I'm sure you would get good results, but if you are used to what you get from Tren you have to understand that your results may be less and be willing to accept that.
 
Well thanks for you time brother but after a few cycles of Tren ,,,, I thought it might be a good idea to stay off of it for a little while , you know for long time affects so I may just run your cycle give that 1 a shot , is there anything you would have changed with your cycle now if you been on awhile like maybe your dose is or is it pretty spot on

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tnez25 said:
Well thanks for you time brother but after a few cycles of Tren ,,,, I thought it might be a good idea to stay off of it for a little while , you know for long time affects so I may just run your cycle give that 1 a shot , is there anything you would have changed with your cycle now if you been on awhile like maybe your dose is or is it pretty spot on

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Its actually a little hard for me to judge because I came down with a bad illness that really took a toll on my cycle. Its hard to say how well thongs could have went, had I not got sick. With that said, I do wish I would have ran the NPP a little higher at 400-500mg per week.
 
RickRock13 said:
Its actually a little hard for me to judge because I came down with a bad illness that really took a toll on my cycle. Its hard to say how well thongs could have went, had I not got sick. With that said, I do wish I would have ran the NPP a little higher at 400-500mg per week.
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I don't think you would have looked good in thongs regardless! :D How much longer do you have on your cycle?
 
RickRock13 said:
LMAO....good catch!

I am at the midpoint (end of week 6), so 6 more weeks total. I will have a very extensive update with progress details and plans moving forward very soon!
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Nice, looking forward for the amazing updates. I just started dbol on the back end up my cycle and I'm hoping I get more out of it then you did, lol!
 
Well guys, it's been quite a while since I gave you guys a good update on everything so I will do my best to bring everyone up to speed. I am finally on the tail end of recovering from the illness that struck me the week before Christmas. All I have now is a little congestion and a persistent cough that is still hanging around. The first couple days I had the flu, and lost 6 lbs from not eating anything with it literally coming out of both ends. Since that time it's been a struggle to keep a decent diet because of my appetite being down somewhat, along with my energy levels and motivation. My appetite has slowly came back over the last week or two, and I managed to get a little over half of the weight I lost back and had been around 183-184.

On the positive side of things, I've made the best of my workouts that I could and I've set a few PRs here and there on some different exercises despite my weight staying relatively stagnant overall. Strength has been great and still continues to progress. Within the next week or so, just about every exercise should be a PR if things keep going like they have.

I really have had zero side effects whatsoever, and my libido is high as hell right now....almost at an annoying level (for my wife anyways). I've maintained a decent fullness, and the 10+ lbs I am up on this cycle is almost 100% clean weight. I may have softened up just a tad, but any bodyfat gained has been pretty minimal overall, which is pretty good.

With all that said, I'm at the midpoint of my cycle (end of week 6 today), so my focus is going to change a little bit from here. Weight gain has really slowed to a crawl, so instead of just trying to cram more cals and add more fat, I want to change my diet to more of a recomp which is kinda my happy place with IF anyways. I would really like to try and slowly drop bodyfat from here while trying to add a clue more pounds of lean mass. The changes will be as follows...3k-3500 cals on workout days with moderate to high carbs and 2k on non workout days with low carbs. I will also add some GW in tomorrow at 10mg per day to assist the fat loss. For now I will still have the longer feeding window of 12 hours on workout days with the 16/8 protocol on rest/cardio days. Basically I will eat like a king on workout days and just about whatever I want, and eat very clean and controlled on my cardio/rest days.

My last two non workout/cardio days I have already dropped my carbs and cals down a bit and have already noticed me clean up some with little bloat and dropped some water. My weight was 181.5 this morning and looking pretty decent. I expect that my overall weight will drop some progressively up until the end of the cycle, but I'm hoping that I will remain very close to 180 and can end the cycle very close to that weight and very ripped. I had a bodyfat measurement earlier today that puts me around 8.4%. It would be real nice to see 6% by the end of this cycle so we will see how it all goes!

I will try and get some workouts posted up within the next few days with the details from my lifts. Hopefully should be setting new PRs tomorrow!
 
Rick, congrats on the gains and coming back strong from your illness! How did you measure your bodyfat? You don't look to be mid 8's in those pics looks more like a slightly bloated 7% to me! I start my nandrolone in seven weeks time and have similar goals, hoping to add some lean mass and finish up ripped, I'll be stacking with epi instead of dbol though...
 
MattJS said:
Rick, congrats on the gains and coming back strong from your illness! How did you measure your bodyfat? You don't look to be mid 8's in those pics looks more like a slightly bloated 7% to me! I start my nandrolone in seven weeks time and have similar goals, hoping to add some lean mass and finish up ripped, I'll be stacking with epi instead of dbol though...
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I have a set of digital calipers I use that uses the 3 point testing method. I tested several times and I came up with a range of 7.7-8.4% and I always post my highest number, but realistically I'm probably high 7s to low 8s. Its hard to tell accurately when you are retaining water because your readings will be higher
 
Day 43

Weight: 182.5 (+10)

Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
dosed 60mg Epi
Dosed 10mg GW-50


Starting my recomp out, things have really started going really well. For the first time in a long time, I'm really starting to feel 100% in my workouts and feel really good again. Just from dropping carbs down on rest days, I've already cleaned up quite a bit and look a lot better and defined. Vascularity is increasing as well. Weight hasn't dropped much at all but the difference in the mirror already is pretty astonishing. I think I may actually be a little leaner than I thought I was, which is a big bonus! I've added the GW-50 in to help me shed some bodyfat so I'm really looking forward to the results from that. This should be my last week of Epi, and when that runs out I plan to add Formastanozol back in as well. I may be adding The new product from MR Supps...Keto Burn in pretty soon as well. By the end of this cycle I should look pretty good and shredded. I'm aiming for 6% bodyfat, so we will see how it goes!

My workout went incredible. I hit PRs on pretty much every exercise, so my strength is doing great and progressing very well at this point. I think that is pretty remarkable coming out of this sickness. I can't help but wonder where I would be right now had I not got sick.


DC Workout 1A (chest, shoulders, triceps, Back width, back thickness)

DB bench Press 115sx11x5x3 (+10 lbs PR)
HS Shoulder Press 160x9x4x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Weighted Dips BW+135x9x5x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Weighted Chins BW+45x11x5x3 (+5 lbs)
Single arm DB Rows 130sx10, 135sx8 (+10 lbs PR)
 
RickRock13 said:
Day 43

Weight: 182.5 (+10)

Pinned 250mg Test E
Pinned 100mg NPP
dosed 60mg Epi
Dosed 10mg GW-50


Starting my recomp out, things have really started going really well. For the first time in a long time, I'm really starting to feel 100% in my workouts and feel really good again. Just from dropping carbs down on rest days, I've already cleaned up quite a bit and look a lot better and defined. Vascularity is increasing as well. Weight hasn't dropped much at all but the difference in the mirror already is pretty astonishing. I think I may actually be a little leaner than I thought I was, which is a big bonus! I've added the GW-50 in to help me shed some bodyfat so I'm really looking forward to the results from that. This should be my last week of Epi, and when that runs out I plan to add Formastanozol back in as well. I may be adding The new product from MR Supps...Keto Burn in pretty soon as well. By the end of this cycle I should look pretty good and shredded. I'm aiming for 6% bodyfat, so we will see how it goes!

My workout went incredible. I hit PRs on pretty much every exercise, so my strength is doing great and progressing very well at this point. I think that is pretty remarkable coming out of this sickness. I can't help but wonder where I would be right now had I not got sick.


DC Workout 1A (chest, shoulders, triceps, Back width, back thickness)

DB bench Press 115sx11x5x3 (+10 lbs PR)
HS Shoulder Press 160x9x4x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Weighted Dips BW+135x9x5x3 (+10 lbs PR)
Weighted Chins BW+45x11x5x3 (+5 lbs)
Single arm DB Rows 130sx10, 135sx8 (+10 lbs PR)
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You are putting up some good numbers brother...looking strong.

Glad to hear you are getting back on track , being sick on-cycle is a kick in the balls.
 
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