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hoteacher

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Went to a an endo on Tuesday and second opinion on Friday.
My brief history was after 6 years of bodybuilding and clean eating, I had the following symptoms: bodyfat gain of 15 percent (had been at 8-10 for about 6 years), acne on face (NEVER had acne before even when taking anavar), hair loss, and fogginess, TREMENDOUS loss of motivation in the gym. Was diagnosed with VERY LOW HOROMONES three years ago after a competition, was put on cytomel, 30 mcgs daily and .025 synthroid daily...Never had period in 6 years. Now have had three periods in the last three months, but irregular and light, and have blue feet and low body temperature. After much research, I thought I was suffering from metabolism shutdown from over training and clean eating (VERY LOW CARB) for too long. Endo determined that I was over medicated from thyroid meds and have polycystic ovarian syndrome...He placed me on METAFORMIN and AMOUR THYROID and medication for my acne that he also said is a mile diuretic.

My questions are the following:
1. I have already been eating so low carb, how is it that a TYPE II diabetic medicine is going to help me?
2. Will my body become adapted to the diuretic in the acne medication.

3. I was lifting for 1 hour a day after work and doing cardio in the am 7 days a week, after reading about the overtraining, I took a week off and now have resumed weight lifting for 3 days on, then one day off and cut all the cardio, for fear my body was holding onto fat for the cardio. Is this an appropriate plan?

4. I have not had a cheat meal in three months since I noticed the bodyfat gain, none of my clothes fit and I am MISERALBLE!

Anyone who knows me, knows my tremendous dedication to fitness and clean eating, this situation is HEARTBREAKING to me and I feel HORRIBLE about myself.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you!
 
My questions are the following:
1. I have already been eating so low carb, how is it that a TYPE II diabetic medicine is going to help me?
2. Will my body become adapted to the diuretic in the acne medication.

3. I was lifting for 1 hour a day after work and doing cardio in the am 7 days a week, after reading about the overtraining, I took a week off and now have resumed weight lifting for 3 days on, then one day off and cut all the cardio, for fear my body was holding onto fat for the cardio. Is this an appropriate plan?

4. I have not had a cheat meal in three months since I noticed the bodyfat gain, none of my clothes fit and I am MISERALBLE!

1. I think he put you on metaformin as you had gone low carb for so long your likely insulin resitant. Probably trying to help get you back to a normal range where you can process carbs again. I am all for low carb dieting but it needs to be cycled with some kind of carb up on a weekly bases.

2. Which acne med is it? I think it depends on how strong of a diuretic it is if it milder then I am guessing not likely.

3. I think 2 on 1 off might be better and a little cardio 20-30 minutes a day is not bad just don`t over do it.

4. You will get to where you want to be Hun I know how hard you work what ever you want you can achive it just believe in yourself and your body getting back to your ideal.
 
Well If it means anything I hope this all works out for you and will be here everyday to at least cheer you on.

Thank you for coming here again and sharing your story. I think we will all be here to help
 
The metaformin is related to polycystic ovaries.

The key in treating PCOS is insulin control.

You don't need to take steroids anymore, you are going to start producing more testosterone naturally due to the PCOS.



Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)

When are you going in again to have a blood test?

Did you tell your endocrinologist about your competition history and steroid use?
 
The metaformin is related to polycystic ovaries.

The key in treating PCOS is insulin control.

You don't need to take steroids anymore, you are going to start producing more testosterone naturally due to the PCOS.



Polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)

When are you going in again to have a blood test?

Did you tell your endocrinologist about your competition history and steroid use?

Do you know why PCOS cause women to gain weight? If your body produced more test and you were eating well wouldn`t it make you leaner? I had no idea insulin and PCOS were at all related thanks.
 
Went to a an endo on Tuesday and second opinion on Friday.
My brief history was after 6 years of bodybuilding and clean eating, I had the following symptoms: bodyfat gain of 15 percent (had been at 8-10 for about 6 years), acne on face (NEVER had acne before even when taking anavar), hair loss, and fogginess, TREMENDOUS loss of motivation in the gym. Was diagnosed with VERY LOW HOROMONES three years ago after a competition, was put on cytomel, 30 mcgs daily and .025 synthroid daily...Never had period in 6 years. Now have had three periods in the last three months, but irregular and light, and have blue feet and low body temperature. After much research, I thought I was suffering from metabolism shutdown from over training and clean eating (VERY LOW CARB) for too long. Endo determined that I was over medicated from thyroid meds and have polycystic ovarian syndrome...He placed me on METAFORMIN and AMOUR THYROID and medication for my acne that he also said is a mile diuretic.

My questions are the following:
1. I have already been eating so low carb, how is it that a TYPE II diabetic medicine is going to help me?
2. Will my body become adapted to the diuretic in the acne medication.

3. I was lifting for 1 hour a day after work and doing cardio in the am 7 days a week, after reading about the overtraining, I took a week off and now have resumed weight lifting for 3 days on, then one day off and cut all the cardio, for fear my body was holding onto fat for the cardio. Is this an appropriate plan?

4. I have not had a cheat meal in three months since I noticed the bodyfat gain, none of my clothes fit and I am MISERALBLE!

Anyone who knows me, knows my tremendous dedication to fitness and clean eating, this situation is HEARTBREAKING to me and I feel HORRIBLE about myself.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you!

Tatiana is right. You don't need to take any more drugs.

Your plan is good by cutting off the cardio. I can't say this enough; going on a low carb diet is dangerous to one's system. It's ok to do that for a short time, but for long periods will only make you rebound, hold on to bf, and stall your metabolism. In addition will give you issues with your thyroids. You should also allow one cheat meal per week. That will help stabilize you metabolism. If you eat healthy all the time as I do, you can have either more food or healthier cheats. It doesn't have to be pizza and ice cream.

The body can not be functioning properly when over training and going on extreme diets for a long time. We all know that right before competition we take it to the extreme, but we go right back to normal after comp. By normal, I don't mean go wild and have thousands of calories. You can still stay thin, if that's what you want by eating plenty of carbs and healthy protein & fats. It's really not possible to look competition ready without doing some damage to your body.

I ask the same question. Is your Dr. aware of your history and long term extreme dieting?
We're all here for you and want you to be a healthier athlete, so don't take this as criticism.
 
Do you know why PCOS cause women to gain weight? If your body produced more test and you were eating well wouldn`t it make you leaner? I had no idea insulin and PCOS were at all related thanks.

PCOS is not completely understood, however it is the insulin resistance that seems to be the cornerstone of managing it.

It is also the insulin resistance that has 40-60% of women with PCOS gain weight.

I have also recently heard Dr. Scott Connelly state that anabolic steroids can induce an insulin sensitivity/resistance.

It does seem that insulin resistance obviously had some role in our human pre-history for survival. If humans have to survive a major trauma, we become insulin resistant, for example this is one of the common features of burn victims.

Hoteacher, I am wondering if you would be willing to stop taking everything for 3-6 months, under the supervision of an endocrinologist, and see if your body re-establishes its hormonal homeostatsis.

Otherwise you will be on medications for life.
 
Thank you very much for all of your responses.. ..yes, I was honest with the dr...I told him I took anavar on and off for 6 years, never going above 5 mg daily. I am now off of the synthroid and cytomel and taking the amour thyroid and metformin...I have been measuring my blood sugar and it is consistently about 80-90 whether or not I have eaten or not. I am eating clean still and afraid to cheat (going higher carb). I have stuck to just two carb meals a day before I workout and after, so about 60 carbs a day...I have been sticking with lean protein and veggies for other meals and eating almonds inbetween meals. I guess only time will telll...just very difficult being such a conditioned and strong athlete for so long and then you hit 34 and it all goes down hill?

thanks so much :)
 
Thandie just got her pro-card at 53.

34 is not the age for it all to go downhill, keep positive hun.

This may turn out to have a silver lining.
 
I just found out yesterday that i have POSD.
I have been to an endo this year and all my hormones were very low. She suggested I start HRT. SO I started the testim cream 2 months ago. I have been waiting to get my period to start the pill. But it hasn't come yet.

I went for my physical a few weeks ago and my dr said she felt something during my pap. I was sent for a ultrasound.

I went to my family dr yesterday to find out the results. It turns out that I have POSD. She is going to refer me to a gyno who specializes in this. She also told me to just start the pill since I have no idea when I will be getting my period.

I normally have low testosterone, but this POSD seems to say that most people have high levels, so I am wondering maybe mine are low, but still high compared to my estrogen/progestrone. I wonder if I should stop the testim cream. Would that make the POSD worse?
 
I just found out yesterday that i have POSD.
I have been to an endo this year and all my hormones were very low. She suggested I start HRT. SO I started the testim cream 2 months ago. I have been waiting to get my period to start the pill. But it hasn't come yet.

I went for my physical a few weeks ago and my dr said she felt something during my pap. I was sent for a ultrasound.

I went to my family dr yesterday to find out the results. It turns out that I have POSD. She is going to refer me to a gyno who specializes in this. She also told me to just start the pill since I have no idea when I will be getting my period.

I normally have low testosterone, but this POSD seems to say that most people have high levels, so I am wondering maybe mine are low, but still high compared to my estrogen/progestrone. I wonder if I should stop the testim cream. Would that make the POSD worse?

BUMP I have no idea hopefully Tatyana will. How do the diagnose it? Is it not something that can be cured? Is there things that cause it?
 
Do you mean PCOS?

If not, please give me the full name Sessa.

I am sorry to hear you have found out you have an endocrinology abnormality, however, now at least you do know what is going on.
 
Do you mean PCOS?

If not, please give me the full name Sessa.

I am sorry to hear you have found out you have an endocrinology abnormality, however, now at least you do know what is going on.

Yeah she does she text me earlier in the day to let me know. :(
 
sorry typed it out wrong :) it is polycystic ovarian disorder.

I had a ultra sound and they found it out from there.
 
Hey Ladies!

I have been taking the metformin and he also prescribed aldactone for the acne...I am concerned considering that most women with PCOS are obsese, eat too many carbs, and dont workout ...When I went to see my doc I was taking in about 90 carbs a day...he told me to drop it..Now I am taking in about 30 grams and eating all protein and green veggies in every other meal except for my preworkout and eating almonds twice a day in between meals, about 20 of them. I am still working out, but my energy is obviously low. Also, people with PCOS also have high glucose levels with insulin intolerance...I have been measuring my glucose levels and they have been between 70-80...very low...so I am wondering if I have the correct diagnosis or if I should keep researching and go to a third endo?

thanks!
 
Hey Ladies!

I have been taking the metformin and he also prescribed aldactone for the acne...I am concerned considering that most women with PCOS are obsese, eat too many carbs, and dont workout ...When I went to see my doc I was taking in about 90 carbs a day...he told me to drop it..Now I am taking in about 30 grams and eating all protein and green veggies in every other meal except for my preworkout and eating almonds twice a day in between meals, about 20 of them. I am still working out, but my energy is obviously low. Also, people with PCOS also have high glucose levels with insulin intolerance...I have been measuring my glucose levels and they have been between 70-80...very low...so I am wondering if I have the correct diagnosis or if I should keep researching and go to a third endo?

thanks!

I'd go and see another Dr. How can anyone prescribe 30g of carbs. For how long are you supposed to be on that diet? Somehow you were told or decided that people who eat carbs get fat. Carbs is where you get energy from, second by fats. In addition carbs will help you increase your metabolic rate as a result of your energy increase, therefore you'll lose weight. By staying on a low carb diet, you'll be risking having thyroid issues and other related problems that will take you a couple of years to repair, providing is not too far damaged.

I personally eat anywhere from 250 to 125g; the lowest being 125 when I'm cutting. I have gone as far as 400g on off season and I was gaining an average of 1.5 lb per month till I reached 10 lbs, which is what I wanted.

I'm sorry, I just hate to see anyone getting wrong information and getting hurt as a result. But, if you think it's fine and it works for you, I promise to mind my business.
 
I am currently dieting for a show and I am eating 1600 cals on non workout days and 2100 on workout days. So I think you should be eating more carbs and food.
I guess thought that I am one of the fortunate few that have this disorder that is not obese or gaining alot of fat.

I found out my sister has it too, and has been struggling with her weight her whole life. She also had diabetes.

I tend to store my fat all around my abs which is really annoying to get rid of. I would get another opinion if the dr suggested that diet.
What about seeing a gyno. I am being sent to one shortly.
 
Please understand that I am a seasoned competitor and a nutritionalist and have a masters in biology...I know the importance of carbs...and I also understand that carbs do not make you fat. On any of my precontest diets, I ate close to 3000 calories, including plenty of carbs.

HEre are the facts:
DIET: I was very bad and did not change up my diet for about 8 months (have changed now for about two months) for 8 months, I was all about convenience. I ate egg beaters, mixed with whey isolate protein powder and 1/2 cup of sugar free gluten free cereal with splenda.
Now I have been eating the following diet (frankly already sick of this bc I am eating like I am dieting for a show, yet there is no show)
3:30 am: 1 scoop whey iso/1/2 cup sf gf cereal (about 20 carbs)
WORKOUT (I workout 3 days on, one day off...LIFTING ONLY..was doing cardio after, but thought my body might be holding onto all of this fat to reserve for the caridio?)
5:30 am: Same as meal one
8:30: 5 oz lean protein, green veggies
9:15: 20 almonds
12:00 5 oz lean protein, veggies
3:00 5 oz lean protein, veggies
6:00 5 oz lean protein, veggies
I change up the protein sources(talapia, tuna, 96 lean ground beef, chicken, ground turkey) through out the day and the type of veggies
8:00: occasionally I will have one scoop of caesin at night, I go to bed at 8:30

I took anavar off and on for 6 years...took for a long time from June to October, 2.5 mg a day..way to long I know.

MEDICAL INFO: three years ago right before my third show, I had NO ENERGY...got blood work done and had no horomones. Doc put me on estrogen, test, and synthroid and cytomel. I will be honest I took the cytomel and synthroid, but never took the test or estrogen.

RECENT ISSUES: I noticed that my pants were no longer fitting me...I have gained a GREAT DEAL of body fat in my ass, thighs and abdomen. I also started breaking out in acne and then got my period several times, light but it was there! I also suffered a divorce in October so I went on an antidepressant (10 mg of prozac daily).

I saw two endos, one told me I have mental issues and should see a shrink, the other diagnosed me with PCOS and put me on METFORMIN for symptoms of PCOS and ALDACTONE for acne...which I thought was weird...LASTLY, he told me I was over medicated for thyroid and put me on ARMOUR THYROID.

My questions are:
1. this PCOS is found in obese women who dont exercise and eat tons of carbs...I do not fit into any of these.
2. He did not do an ultrasound to confirm I have PCOS...should I be concerned.
3. My blood glucose levels are LOW...very low, about 60-80...average is 74...I think the metformin is making it even lower...in fact I know it is..that is its job.
4. Do you think that only 10 mg of prozac a day can make you go from 8-10 percent body fat to 23 percent???

Thanks very much...I am releying on this forum bc you understand my lifestyle...I am a hard core athlete that feels at age 34 I reached the end of my career...I cannot LOSE this fat to save my soul! WHat should I do????

ps-I also took time off the gym, one week bc I thought these might be symptoms of overtraining...I feel better now working out, but the fat has not budged!
 
How can anyone prescribe 30g of carbs.

I personally eat anywhere from 250 to 125g; the lowest being 125 when I'm cutting. I have gone as far as 400g on off season and I was gaining an average of 1.5 lb per month till I reached 10 lbs, which is what I wanted.

Is it possibly he was speaking of 30% carbs? :confused:

30g is INSANELY LOW!! On my current cutting diet 30% carbs is about 125g. Am I missing something here?

BTW, IMO, 34 is nowhere near the end of the line. Athletic or otherwise. Maybe you just need a break from the dieting and training? I know it sounds scary, but it might be in your best interests health wise.
 
Not all women who have PCOS are obese, I think it is around 40%, it is not 100% of women.

Yes you need ultrasound.

When are you taking your glucose measurements? Fasting or post=prandial? The average of 74 or 4.1 mmol/L is not dangerously low.

Yes anti-depressants can make you fat.
 
What other blood tests did you have done?

LH/FSH?

What was your glucose? Cholesterol?

Would you mind posting specific numbers?
 
I have a blog that I have set up to track my progress over the last few years. Anyways, I did a post about this. Here it is.

SO I thought I would share this with everyone because when bad things happen in our lives we usually feel alone. I am hoping that if anyone else has this that they know that others are going through it as well.

Where do I start with this?.... well, I am not sure when I actually got Polycystic Ovary Syndrome. But growing up as a teenager I used to get very painful menstrual cramps. To the point where I couldn't get out of bed. I also never had a set schedule of when my body would actually give me a period. I could get it every month, every 3 months... but when it came it did come normal for the full 6-7 days. My mom always said that the pain was normal and that all girls go through that, so get my ass out of bed and go to school. I would take 4 extra strength advils, then 1 hr later do it again. That helped a lot. All the doctors prescription meds never helped. I have been given muscle relaxers, pain killers... As I became older the pain actually got a lot better.

I went on the birth control pill at age 20 to help regulate my periods and help with the cramps. At age 26 I wanted to enter in my first fitness show so I went off the pill because I thought it was going to make me hold on to the body fat. I didn't get my period for over a year and a half, my doctor sent me to every specialist. I had my blood tested, ultra sound. They didn't find anything. So my doctor just said that it could have been because I went off the pill, or that my body fat levels were low.

It had been 5 years now since that. I have been dealing with a lot of hormonal issues since then. I period has never been on schedule. I guess I have just thought it was the exercising, or low body fat levels, or it was just my body and the way it ran. I have been to a endocrinologist a couple times over the last few years. I just found a great one that I saw 2 months ago. She said that she wanted me to go on HRT. All my hormonal levels were below the chart. She wanted me to go back on the pill. As much as girls are scared of estrogen, it is sooo important for our bodies. If estrogen is low then we are prone to low bone density. Which I have. I found that out a few years ago when I went for all that testing. I admit yes I am scared of gaining weight going back on the pill, but I know it is better for me in the long run.

Now after meeting with the endocrinologist it was time for my physical with my family doctor. During the pap she told me that she felt something and she wanted me to get a ultra sound done. I went the next week and then I just saw my dr last Monday to get the results. Turns out I have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome. There are a lot of different symptoms that someone can get. I didn't have too many of them, but the irregular periods were a red flag.

I spoke to my sister last night and found out she has this as well. She unfortunately has the diabetes associated with it. 50% of girls with this disorder will get diabetes. I really hope I don't, that is so scary. She has also had many other complications. However, she was very lucky to have 2 amazing children.

My doctor also said that I am very lucky to have a healthy fitness lifestyle and that is probably why I haven't run into a lot of the issues. I do store my fat around my ads which is so annoying :) But I am very lean. I eat VERY strict. I don't like to be heavy, so I eat to maintain my leanness and workout to gain the muscle and physique I desire. Now most girls that have this disorder have higher testosterone which leads to issues because they are not balanced and their estrogen and especially progesterone are low. I don't have high testosterone. I actually have very low levels. I am being sent to a gynecologist specialist who is going to explain this situation more and probably monitor me over time.


Here is more information that I have copied from this website:
Polycystic Ovary Syndrome << Frequently Asked Questions << womenshealth.gov

What is polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)?

Polycystic (pah-lee-SIS-tik) ovary syndrome (PCOS) is a health problem that can affect a woman's menstrual cycle, ability to have children, hormones, heart, blood vessels, and appearance. With PCOS, women typically have:

* high levels of androgens (AN-druh-junz). These are sometimes called male hormones, although females also make them.
* missed or irregular periods
* many small cysts (sists) in their ovaries. Cysts are fluid-filled sacs.

What causes polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)?

The cause of PCOS is unknown. Most researchers think that more than one factor could play a role in developing PCOS. Genes are thought to be one factor. Women with PCOS tend to have a mother or sister with PCOS. Researchers also think insulin could be linked to PCOS. Insulin is a hormone that controls the change of sugar, starches, and other food into energy for the body to use or store. For many women with PCOS, their bodies have problems using insulin so that too much insulin is in the body. Excess insulin appears to increase production of androgen. This hormone is made in fat cells, the ovaries, and the adrenal gland. Levels of androgen that are higher than normal can lead to acne, excessive hair growth, weight gain, and problems with ovulation.

What are the symptoms of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS)?

Not all women with PCOS share the same symptoms. These are some of the symptoms of PCOS:

* infrequent menstrual periods, no menstrual periods, and/or irregular bleeding
* infertility (not able to get pregnant) because of not ovulating
* increased hair growth on the face, chest, stomach, back, thumbs, or toes—a condition called hirsutism (HER-suh-tiz-um)
* ovarian cysts
* acne, oily skin, or dandruff
* weight gain or obesity, usually carrying extra weight around the waist
* insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes
* high cholesterol
* high blood pressure
* male-pattern baldness or thinning hair
* patches of thickened and dark brown or black skin on the neck, arms, breasts, or thighs
* skin tags, or tiny excess flaps of skin in the armpits or neck area
* pelvic pain
* anxiety or depression due to appearance and/or infertility
* sleep apnea—excessive snoring and times when breathing stops while asleep

Does polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) put women at risk for other health problems?

Women with PCOS have greater chances of developing several serious, life-threatening diseases, including type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease (CVD), and cancer. Recent studies found that:

* More than 50 percent of women with PCOS will have diabetes or pre-diabetes (impaired glucose tolerance) before the age of 40.
* Women with PCOS have a four to seven times higher risk of heart attack than women of the same age without PCOS.
* Women with PCOS are at greater risk of having high blood pressure.
* Women with PCOS have high levels of LDL (bad) cholesterol and low levels of HDL (good) cholesterol.

The chance of getting endometrial cancer is another concern for women with PCOS. Irregular menstrual periods and the absence of ovulation cause women to produce the hormone estrogen, but not the hormone progesterone. Progesterone causes the endometrium to shed its lining each month as a menstrual period. Without progesterone, the endometrium becomes thick, which can cause heavy bleeding or irregular bleeding. Over time, this can lead to endometrial hyperplasia, when the lining grows too much, and cancer.

How is polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) treated?

Because there is no cure for PCOS, it needs to be managed to prevent problems. Treatment goals are based on your symptoms, whether or not you want to become pregnant, and lowering your chances of getting heart disease and diabetes. Many women will need a combination of treatments to meet these goals. Some treatments for PCOS include:

Birth control pills. For women who don't want to become pregnant, birth control pills can control menstrual cycles, reduce male hormone levels, and help to clear acne. However, the menstrual cycle will become abnormal again if the pill is stopped. Women may also think about taking a pill that only has progesterone, like Provera®, to control the menstrual cycle and reduce the risk of endometrial cancer. (See Does polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) put women at risk for other health problems?) But progesterone alone does not help reduce acne and hair growth.

Diabetes medications. The medicine metformin (Glucophage®) is used to treat type 2 diabetes. It also has been found to help with PCOS symptoms, although it is not FDA-approved for this use. Metformin affects the way insulin controls blood glucose (sugar) and lowers testosterone production. Abnormal hair growth will slow down, and ovulation may return after a few months of use. Recent research has shown metformin to have other positive effects, such as decreased body mass and improved cholesterol levels. Metformin will not cause a person to become diabetic.

Fertility medications. Lack of ovulation is usually the reason for fertility problems in women with PCOS. Several medications that stimulate ovulation can help women with PCOS become pregnant. Even so, other reasons for infertility in both the woman and man should be ruled out before fertility medications are used. Also, there is an increased risk for multiple births (twins, triplets) with fertility medications. For most patients, clomiphene citrate (Clomid®, Serophene®) is the first choice therapy to stimulate ovulation. If this fails, metformin taken with clomiphene is usually tried. When metformin is taken along with fertility medications, it may help women with PCOS ovulate on lower doses of medication. Gonadotropins (goe-NAD-oh-troe-pins) also can be used to stimulate ovulation. These are given as shots. But gonadotropins are more expensive and there are greater chances of multiple births compared to clomiphene. Another option is in vitro fertilization (IVF). IVF offers the best chance of becoming pregnant in any one cycle and gives doctors better control over the chance of multiple births. But, IVF is very costly.

Medicine for increased hair growth or extra male hormones. Medicines called anti-androgens may reduce hair growth and clear acne. Spironolactone (speer-on-oh-lak-tone) (Aldactone®), first used to treat high blood pressure, has been shown to reduce the impact of male hormones on hair growth in women. Finasteride (Propecia®), a medicine taken by men for hair loss, has the same effect. Anti-androgens often are combined with oral contraceptives.

Before taking Aldactone®, tell your doctor if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant. Do not breastfeed while taking this medicine. Women who may become pregnant should not handle Propecia®.

Vaniqa® cream also reduces facial hair in some women. Other treatments such as laser hair removal or electrolysis work well at getting rid of hair in some women. A woman with PCOS can also take hormonal treatment to keep new hair from growing.

Surgery. "Ovarian drilling" is a surgery that brings on ovulation. It is sometimes used when a woman does not respond to fertility medicines. The doctor makes a very small cut above or below the navel and inserts a small tool that acts like a telescope into the abdomen. This is called laparoscopy. The doctor then punctures the ovary with a small needle carrying an electric current to destroy a small portion of the ovary. This procedure carries a risk of developing scar tissue on the ovary. This surgery can lower male hormone levels and help with ovulation. But these effects may only last a few months. This treatment doesn't help with loss of scalp hair and increased hair growth on other parts of the body.

Lifestyle modification. Keeping a healthy weight by eating healthy foods and exercising is another way women can help manage PCOS. Many women with PCOS are overweight or obese. Eat fewer processed foods and foods with added sugars and more whole-grain products, fruits, vegetables, and lean meats to help lower blood sugar (glucose) levels, improve the body's use of insulin, and normalize hormone levels in your body. Even a 10 percent loss in body weight can restore a normal period and make a woman's cycle more regular.
 
Also wanted to mention that I found out another fitness friend has this. She actually had one burst and had to have a operation. She has been to specialists as well. They figure that it might have happened because of her low body fat levels for so long. Her and I have similar symptoms. We both do not have the diabetes, high testosterone...
Since your endo wanted to put you on test I am assuming you fall into more of the same symptoms as us.

Maybe your weight gain is more from the anti-depressants. I am not really sure about those.

Last year when I dieted for a show I did some cardio and my trainer found out that with my body I actually hold on to the fat more, so I try to diet without cardio.
Right now I am eating 1600 cals on non workout days and 2100 cals on workout days. If you eat too little your body can be shutting down. Maybe try a week of uping them, I think it is just going to be trial and error at this point.

I started the birth control pill this week. My family dr said this is a form of treatment for it. I was going to go on it anyways, but i was waiting to get my period to start. well 2 months later and it hasn't come, so my dr said to just start. It is yasmin.
 
Wow!!! Words cannot express HOW THANKFUL I AM for your information...I really thought there was not one soul out there who understood what i was going through! I will take the advice and get an ultrasound done and see if that confirms the diagnosis...

In regards to my blood work, yes, I will post it up probably tomorrow..I dont have it with me and I will not be home until then.

I am taking my blood sugar right before I eat, right after, then every hour after....it has not really changed with eating...stays between 70-80.


ONE MORE QUESTION: I read in your post that both ALDACTONE and METFORMIN lowers your test...my test is already low...does that mean I am going to lose all of my muscle? My sex drive is already low...will it worsen?
Thanks again for all of the information!
 
ONE MORE QUESTION: I read in your post that both ALDACTONE and METFORMIN lowers your test...my test is already low...does that mean I am going to lose all of my muscle? My sex drive is already low...will it worsen?
Thanks again for all of the information!

I am not on those, so honestly I can not tell you from personal experience. I have been prescribed HRT from the endocrinologist I saw a couple months ago. I started the testim cream 1% and have been waiting till I got my period to start the yasmin pill. But my family dr, told me on Monday to just start the pill. So I did. Now I am taking the testim and the pill. I am not sure if the gynecologist is going to agree with this, but the endo. said my hormone levels were so low they are almost non existent. I also suffer from no sex drive, low energy, and the rare periods, that is why I went to a endo in the first place.

I found out about this other issue now because my dr. felt something and I had to get the ultrasound. I really recommend you going for that.

It is funny, ever since I have been diagnosed with this, only since Monday :) I have told a bunch of people. I found out my sister has it and another friend of mine.. so I think it is more common then we think!
 
Wow!!! Words cannot express HOW THANKFUL I AM for your information...I really thought there was not one soul out there who understood what i was going through! I will take the advice and get an ultrasound done and see if that confirms the diagnosis...

In regards to my blood work, yes, I will post it up probably tomorrow..I dont have it with me and I will not be home until then.

I am taking my blood sugar right before I eat, right after, then every hour after....it has not really changed with eating...stays between 70-80.


ONE MORE QUESTION: I read in your post that both ALDACTONE and METFORMIN lowers your test...my test is already low...does that mean I am going to lose all of my muscle? My sex drive is already low...will it worsen?
Thanks again for all of the information!

The metaformin is going to keep your blood glucose at a more stable level,and you also have insulin which keeps blood glucose very stable.

Your testosterone may be low due to the use of anavar for a long time, it may increase/stabilise.

I have stressed this numerous times, and I will stress this again, testosterone is not the only factor in muscle growth. It is one of the factors that we almost fully understand, but it is not the only one.

Oestrogen is also anabolic, thyroid hormones and insulin trigger protein synthesis (muscles are made of protein), how well your body keeps cortisol in check (cortisol has a tendency to break down muscle) and there is also the 'stress' triggers, which turns on the muscle protein synthesis pathway mTOR.
 
I realize this is an older thread but I wanted to comment on at least one thing...
keeping your sugar even throughout the day is more important than cutting the crap out of carbs...
You probably know far more about diet than the Dr does given that nutritional info makes up something like 3 credits total in med school (no offense to your endo)
I was diagnosed with pcos about 10 years ago with something like 3 times the testosterone I should have...I was diagnosed due to ovarian cysts themselves, acne, hirsutism, and male pattern baldness
There is a lot of speculation the bc pills actually make the condition worse and if your sugar is rock solid I'd avoid metformin/glucophage
look into vitex for some of your symptoms and saw palmetto.....also check out a website called soul cysters...
a lot of the traditional info won't apply to you though and when I was first diagnosed didnt apply to me either
I've always had a pretty good diet and when I was diagnosed had a bf% around 12 %, now I'm up to 24 % after having three kids...working on it tho.
You'll find body fat is harder to lose than pre-diagnoses but its far from impossible.
I vote for finding a different endo myself...I went through 6 myself before I found one I will actually go see out of state even tho my ins won't cover it.
good luck...check out the website, those girls actually know this disorder pretty well
 
I realize this is an older thread but I wanted to comment on at least one thing...
keeping your sugar even throughout the day is more important than cutting the crap out of carbs...
You probably know far more about diet than the Dr does given that nutritional info makes up something like 3 credits total in med school (no offense to your endo)
I was diagnosed with pcos about 10 years ago with something like 3 times the testosterone I should have...I was diagnosed due to ovarian cysts themselves, acne, hirsutism, and male pattern baldness
There is a lot of speculation the bc pills actually make the condition worse and if your sugar is rock solid I'd avoid metformin/glucophage
look into vitex for some of your symptoms and saw palmetto.....also check out a website called soul cysters...
a lot of the traditional info won't apply to you though and when I was first diagnosed didnt apply to me either
I've always had a pretty good diet and when I was diagnosed had a bf% around 12 %, now I'm up to 24 % after having three kids...working on it tho.
You'll find body fat is harder to lose than pre-diagnoses but its far from impossible.
I vote for finding a different endo myself...I went through 6 myself before I found one I will actually go see out of state even tho my ins won't cover it.
good luck...check out the website, those girls actually know this disorder pretty well

Good info., Shirlene! Thanks for sharing! :)
 
I just found this thread! I have PCOS and CANNOT lower my BF%!! It is hellish, i completely understand everyone else on here who has the same problem, it really messes with you. I was wondering if anyone had any updates on what diet/exercise program has been working for them? I have very high testosterone levels and have been prescribed the pill (yasmin also) but am hesitant to take it due to fear of gaining more weight, the doctor said the pill could actually help me to lose weight? Has anyone experienced this? I just don't want to try it and find that in 2-3 months it has actually caused me to gain more weight.
It truly does make you miserable as doing all the right things doesn't seem to work?
With all the great info on here is there any drug/supplement/hormone etc reccommendation for someone like myself with high testosterone? I couldn't believe my levels were so high as I am not lean at all and all associated higher test with lower BF%
 
my weight only goes down on one birth control pill and it isn't usually prescribed for pcos
I take ortho tri cyclen (brand only I hate trinessa)
I only went back on the birth control because of multiple miscarriages....
I couldn't handle another loss and the man was threatening to get a vasectomy
My weight seems to respond best to carb cycling but thats me
a lot of the glycemic index diets seem to work best for women with this disorder
it may have flawed science behind it but chromium picolinate (not gtf) do amazing things for me personally. Using it though has been everything from disproved to called harmful tho so I'd research it before you decide its something youd like to do.
When my testosterone is high i can tell before I get bloodwork done. I'm easily agitated I'm horny, my face breaks out like mad (and my back, chest and ass...gross) but my bf doesnt necc change. I have always had easy/high muscle mass though and I really wonder how much of it is because my hormones are whacked out.
I did not start to get weird periods until the last cpl of years and never had an issue with my weight.
Weight training seems to be far more effective for women with pcos than any sort of cardio...
I hate to sound like a shill for the site but check out soul cysters...they have an amazing amount of info ...they really helped me navigate through all the bs along the way.
Losing bf is hard with it but again, it isn't impossible.
I'd kill to find phentermine...seriously just to get my eating in better check ,and frankly to slim up before hawaii cuz I've got less than a month left before we go.....but slow and steady right?
 
you know i forgot all about something until I was reading the other thread about lack of results and getting macros square

my endo asked me once if I ate a lot of chicken and beef
yes to the chicken but not the beef
he told me to get only local organic if i could help it...
apparently beef and milk arent the only things loaded with hormone..also chicken skin has a lot of estrogens????
maybe I'm remembering the skin thing wrong but i have always despised chicken skin anyway.
Anyway, only getting organic free range helped a lot with my skin and unwanted facial hair...like a lot a lot...
 
This is very cool! I'm glad you can help WS, Shirlene! :spin:

Funny how old posts get bumped at the PERFECT time :)
 
:qt: Thanks


I'm totally glad dragging up the thread helps someone...its sad how often I recognize someone has a disorder that isn't being treated, I mean genuinely sad that someone has to suffer needlessly...pcos is rampant, I knew/hoped someone would come along and find new info (even redundant info) on this useful
 
Shirlene thanks so much for sharing, I'll definitely check out the PCOS site you rec'd. Can I ask what the name of the pill was that kept your weight down? I am very nervous about taking the pill for fear of extra weight gain. Do you have a link to more information on : ortho tri cyclen & chromium picolinate?
 
the ortho tri cyclen isnt usually prescribed for pcos but it happens to be the best with the least sides for me...
its usually yaz or yasmin...diane 35if your not in the us (stupid fda jerks)

the chromium picolinate is disputed..again it seems to help me but for all I know its a placebo effect
.I'll try to find links
 
Hi ladies ah just got back from seeing my hormone specialist and since march i have gained 8kgs (i didn't realise it was that much) I feel so depressed, this is while being on a super strict diet & working out daily (as described in my other post). Can GP's prescribe any meds to aid weight loss? It is just climbing & i can do nothing to control it...
 
Hi ladies ah just got back from seeing my hormone specialist and since march i have gained 8kgs (i didn't realise it was that much) I feel so depressed, this is while being on a super strict diet & working out daily (as described in my other post). Can GP's prescribe any meds to aid weight loss? It is just climbing & i can do nothing to control it...

Did your endo check your thyroid function?
 
Apparently my thyroid is fine, i always suspected it must be that but no. I'm having a very hard time dealing with this and it's also extremely unhealthy to have such a rapid weight gain
 
I would ask for the actual thyroid results
the "normal" parameters for tsh, t4 free and total and t3 free and total are disputed.

I actually function better in the hyperthyroid spectrum with extremely suppressed tsh
there is actually a small controversy that fibromyalgia is a "subclinical" hypothyroidism
finding an endo that will consider that possibility though can be tough

I think tatyana already posted the link but check out a website called thyroid-info.com

they also have a list of endo's that think outside the box on the site.
its interesting to note that before the tsh blood test came along dr's used to treat the symptoms of what we now call fibromyalgia w/ dessicated thyroid and their symptoms would clear up...
I think thats pretty interesting....also 'chain of pearls" ovaries arent the only factor in diagnosing pcos. I actually can go months w/o a single cyst and have normal periods w/o fertility problems...then bam I get completely screwed up again.
I always have moderately high test and do horrible physically when its suppressed and have problems with skin/hair
abdominal fat is a new thing for me and I still don't even come close to meeting the waist/hip risk ratio but have recently started to have climbing cholesterol...go figure.
its a bizarre disorder that i think western medicine is not fully treating and trying to understand...
again, I can't recomend the pcos website more for info
 
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