recommend metabolic profiling doc ? s. nj or phila

[njlady]

Hi, all

It's been a while since I was into the workout routine but I am probably peri- or into change and am looking to get back into working out and possibly some bodybuilding (maybe even local shows, whenI get my nerve up!) to represent my age group (late 40s). My last health profile was 2 years ago but no hormone workups, and nothing remarkable. Back in the gym days over 10 years ago, I knew there were lots around south jersey but mostly guys who did shows got metabolic profiles and physiologist supplement help getting show-ready. Anyone heard of a doc who focuses on doing good pre-bodybuilding workups for females? I haven't really surfed up much but maybe some of you who are in the workout circles in the area could pass along any you might know about.

My last time getting into this was in 1996. I toned up from over 247 down to 142/148, bf under 30, no supplements:
only
vit/min,
200g-prot no-carb shakes daily, v.low-carb, vlow-fat,
hi-pro, fiberous-carb-only diet, (modified Atkins with some tweaks) and
Cyberblast (ephedra).

Never hit ketosis though. I know I can do this again but this time I'd like the metabolic profile with monitoring so I can cover the progress tracking as well as the peri/change events. I never knew any females who competed in person around here, there don't seem to be many of those in south NJ that got any following, from what I can/can't find. I think it would be an interesting way to promote those of us not in our 20s and 30s, maybe do some advocacy and empowerment stuff. Thoughts?

Nice place here.

 

[needtogetaas]

Welcome to the site girl, and welcome to the family. We have a lot of woman here who compete. They will be here shortly.

 

[ironwings]

Welcome to EF!

Sometimes clinics that support and focus on issues like you mention are called: Rejuvenation Clinics. I'm not in your area but you could try searching for that. How long have you been in perimenopause? It can last up to 10 years! So from what I am reading you have never had a hormone panel test?

I think you'll find inspiration in Thandie. She is our over 40 competitor and she rocks it like she's 20.

 

[Thandie]

Hi, all

It's been a while since I was into the workout routine but I am probably peri- or into change and am looking to get back into working out and possibly some bodybuilding (maybe even local shows, whenI get my nerve up!) to represent my age group (late 40s). My last health profile was 2 years ago but no hormone workups, and nothing remarkable. Back in the gym days over 10 years ago, I knew there were lots around south jersey but mostly guys who did shows got metabolic profiles and physiologist supplement help getting show-ready. Anyone heard of a doc who focuses on doing good pre-bodybuilding workups for females? I haven't really surfed up much but maybe some of you who are in the workout circles in the area could pass along any you might know about.

My last time getting into this was in 1996. I toned up from over 247 down to 142/148, bf under 30, no supplements:
only
vit/min,
200g-prot no-carb shakes daily, v.low-carb, vlow-fat,
hi-pro, fiberous-carb-only diet, (modified Atkins with some tweaks) and
Cyberblast (ephedra).

Never hit ketosis though. I know I can do this again but this time I'd like the metabolic profile with monitoring so I can cover the progress tracking as well as the peri/change events. I never knew any females who competed in person around here, there don't seem to be many of those in south NJ that got any following, from what I can/can't find. I think it would be an interesting way to promote those of us not in our 20s and 30s, maybe do some advocacy and empowerment stuff. Thoughts?

Nice place here.

Welcome!
I agree with you, just because you didn't hit ketosis doesn't mean you wont this time. A low-cab diet is very unhealthy for a long period of time. If you're in your late 40's most likely you're going through perimenopause. You may not be feeling your symptoms yet, but they're there, I assure you. I suggest you get your hormones checked by an Endocrinologist, because at some point you'll start gaining some weight for no reason and in places you never had in the past. Especially of you're considering competing, which means you'll need to get very lean. In addition, there are many related illnesses we have as a result of perimenopause/menopause issues.
I do compete for figure, which means I need to get lean, but not as lean as BB's.

Can you post these answers, please.

How tall are you?
What you eat and drink all day?
How much you currently weight?
When do you want to compete?
BB of figure?

BTW, don't allow anyone to tell you you're too old to be thin or to compete. I'm 52 and I'm doing just fine.

Thank you, IW!

 

[Tatyana]

Hi and welcome,

There are several issues with using keto sticks to determine if you are in ketosis

1. There is a fair amount of error when read by eye

2. You only want to see trace if anything at all. Your body will be using the ketone bodies as an energy source.

Keto sticks are designed for diabetics to check if they are ok or in ketoacidosis, which is a medical emergency.

All of the studies done so far have shown that while people may lose more weight initially on a low carb diet (something like 2-4 lbs on average after 3 months), but by 9-12 months, it makes no difference at all.

There is a great book on metabolic profiling.

This is a very new are of nutrition (if I am thinking of the same thing you are). I would be wary of clinics that make claims of some special profile, most of the markers of protein synthesis, fat oxidisation, bone synthesis, most vitamins (with the exception of B12 and folate) are quite expensive and intricate to measure.

Unregulated and independent labs may give you some numbers, but they may not be accurate, nor will you be able to interpret them on your own.

 

[needtogetaas]

I was hoping tat would hit up this thread.

 

[njlady]

Welcome to EF!

How long have you been in perimenopause? It can last up to 10 years! So from what I am reading you have never had a hormone panel test?

I think you'll find inspiration in Thandie. She is our over 40 competitor and she rocks it like she's 20.

Thanks for the suggestions. I probably had mild peri since my early 40s (my mother was early at her change so it's probably hereditary to a degree). Now that I'm over 48, I've never had one but I am probably well into it . . . I can tell but no, I've never had a panel test for anything except circulatory, stress and years ago a thyroid series. I will be looking to get more profiling once I get back into serious workout, for now I'm just doing cardio and mild toning.

 

[njlady]

Welcome!
A low-cab diet is very unhealthy for a long period of time. I suggest you get your hormones checked by an Endocrinologist, because at some point you'll start gaining some weight for no reason and in places you never had in the past. Especially of you're considering competing, which means you'll need to get very lean.

I do compete for figure, which means I need to get lean, but not as lean as BB's.

Can you post these answers, please.

How tall are you? What you eat and drink all day?

How much you currently weight?
When do you want to compete?
BB of figure?

BTW, don't allow anyone to tell you you're too old to be thin or to compete. I'm 52 and I'm doing just fine.

Thank you, IW!

How tall are you? 5'9

What you eat and drink all day? lately 1500 calories low carb for weightloss - just started after the holidays though -- I am getting a legal pardon for everything before 2003! I keep it low-sat-fat, low salt, mostly fiberous carbs. This is easy compared to 1994, when I did no salt, no sugar, low fat, no alcohol plus no refined foods but I don't want to admit that I might need to do that again until I'm closer within idea range. I haven't started the protein supplements yet so thus far it's derived from conventional meals.

How much you currently weight? 210 I started above 35% bf but once I get into it I saw some quick changes.

When do you want to compete? last time around it took me about 12 mo. to lose 97 lbs. and get to some serious working out. Lost about 105 total but didn't get much further. Below 140 I didn't feel that great, so I took the pressure off the scale number and just looked at total overall physique. By end of summer I could hit the 150-160s and then decide where I'm going.

BB of figure? I am thinking bb but not even sure there are figure competitors over 40s in this area (Phila-metro, south NJ) I am not crazy about the overly vascular ripped look for me. It's great when you realize the accomplishment involved but for me, it's not where I'd like to make my health statement. I am still thinking that one through.

I should start a separate thread about the low carb thing but I might go to another board for that. It is scientifically based on many studies that proves high pro diets are not as detrimental as the mainstream suggests. I will spare this here but it's backed by Mt. Sinai, VA Hosp in IL and other sources, that fallacies are abundant. Have you ever had a bodybuilder "fudge" things with adding insulin to their "supplements"? Protein and fat are essential (good fat). Why would someone needing a steady stream of nutrients and amino acid building blocks to build and repair muscle and organs being stressed, put it on the back burner for a simple calorie source, when they already have an abundance of fat to burn and protein to fuel building? Of course I wouldn't go out and eat a side of beef in a week for all my calories but the difference here is that high carbs will never translate to the fat stores being burned.

High Protein Diet & Bodybuilding - Protein Myths and Protein Consumption

If that is your pic on your posting, you seem to be an ectomorph type. I'm somewhere meso-bordering body type, with larger frame, can put on mass but I also have the bf issue now. I maintain with low gi-carb as a basis with some higher-gi items later.

One of my ex trainers is back at a gym where I used to belong. I am going to get some recommendations from him also. He has been in it for a while now and has probably made some great contacts through the years.

For me the difficult part getting started is working with a good initial regimen that will get my endurance back up so I can lift more. The local trainers don't seem to be too consistent with that (Gold's and a few other local places).

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

 

[njlady]

"No source checks, I am natural, I haven't got the foggiest so don't even bother asking. If I am in a bad mood, I might ban your butt. "


nice tag line there, so I assume I should not forget to check spelling in case it's a ban day?

 

[Thandie]

How tall are you? 5'9

What you eat and drink all day? lately 1500 calories low carb for weightloss - just started after the holidays though -- I am getting a legal pardon for everything before 2003! I keep it low-sat-fat, low salt, mostly fiberous carbs. This is easy compared to 1994, when I did no salt, no sugar, low fat, no alcohol plus no refined foods but I don't want to admit that I might need to do that again until I'm closer within idea range. I haven't started the protein supplements yet so thus far it's derived from conventional meals. (I was hoping to get exactly what types of food you eat and when. That's a good start, however.)

How much you currently weight? 210 I started above 35% bf but once I get into it I saw some quick changes. (ok)

When do you want to compete? last time around it took me about 12 mo. to lose 97 lbs. and get to some serious working out. Lost about 105 total but didn't get much further. Below 140 I didn't feel that great, so I took the pressure off the scale number and just looked at total overall physique. By end of summer I could hit the 150-160s and then decide where I'm going. (97lbs in 12 months is about 1.8lb per week. That's terrific, that means you kept it consistently)

BB of figure? I am thinking bb but not even sure there are figure competitors over 40s in this area (Phila-metro, south NJ) I am not crazy about the overly vascular ripped look for me. It's great when you realize the accomplishment involved but for me, it's not where I'd like to make my health statement. I am still thinking that one through. (I'm sure they have a figure category. Every organization has a Masters category in all, the bb and figure included.)

I should start a separate thread about the low carb thing but I might go to another board for that. It is scientifically based on many studies that proves high pro diets are not as detrimental as the mainstream suggests. I will spare this here but it's backed by Mt. Sinai, VA Hosp in IL and other sources, that fallacies are abundant. Have you ever had a bodybuilder "fudge" things with adding insulin to their "supplements"? Protein and fat are essential (good fat). Why would someone needing a steady stream of nutrients and amino acid building blocks to build and repair muscle and organs being stressed, put it on the back burner for a simple calorie source, when they already have an abundance of fat to burn and protein to fuel building? Of course I wouldn't go out and eat a side of beef in a week for all my calories but the difference here is that high carbs will never translate to the fat stores being burned. I agree we need good fat in our diet. That's given, but we also need good fibrous and starchy carbs to for energy. It's a much healthier way to lose weight. However, you decide)

High Protein Diet & Bodybuilding - Protein Myths and Protein Consumption

If that is your pic on your posting, you seem to be an ectomorph type. I'm somewhere meso-bordering body type, with larger frame, can put on mass but I also have the bf issue now. I maintain with low gi-carb as a basis with some higher-gi items later. (Yes, it's my picture on my avatar. I am an ecto

One of my ex trainers is back at a gym where I used to belong. I am going to get some recommendations from him also. He has been in it for a while now and has probably made some great contacts through the years.

For me the difficult part getting started is working with a good initial regimen that will get my endurance back up so I can lift more. The local trainers don't seem to be too consistent with that (Gold's and a few other local places). It is challenging to start a new regimen, but it gets easier as you go along.)

Thanks for the thoughtful post.

You seem to be going on the right track, you just need a plan. My suggestion, if I may, is to have about 140g protein, (if you're carb sensitive, 80g carbs) and 40g fat to start and see how you do with that for about 2 weeks. I see you can be consistent since you lost close to 100lbs without missing a bit.
Drink lots of water and get rid of all processed foods.

If you already know how to train, hit it hard. If not get someone who can initially work with you till you get the hang of it. Training hard will help you lose the weight faster and get some muscles.

Also, have your hormones checked. It will make a world of difference if your hormones are in check.