Reasonable All the Time Dose

[pd01ag]

Hey guys,

I have done a few cycles over the last few years starting for the first time when I was 30. I felt like shit before my first cycle, could not for the life of me get lean despite hiring iron addict and running a strict timed carb diet, cardio 4 times per week, 3 days lifting etc (mind you I did lose some fat and got stronger the whole 3 months so he knew his shit, RIP). That was when I was 29. Fast forward to 30 years old, decided to do a cycle, 500 mg enanthate, felt like a CHAMP. Wow, what a difference in all aspects of my life. Got lean and muscular, full 6 pack and all. Came off, felt like shit again, went back on, champ again blah blah.. So anyway decided I'm staying on from now on. Been on 350 mg per week for a while now and sub 10% body fat and feeling great.

Problem is I have a little too much bloating in my face. I realize I do not control sodium like I should, but I think the test may have a lot to do with it. Anyone out there sensitive to test what is a good all the time dose of test to run to avoid this problem. I have arimidex, and take 2-3 tabs per week (1mg) but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I would also like to point out I don't plan on going up to 500 anymore, if I do it will be once per year for 3 months and thats it. I may do 2 iu's gh for 9-10 months but thats it.

Stats:

Sitting at 200 lbs right now, 5'8", bench 275, squat 300x3, deadlift 435x1, lift 3 days per week push pull legs, cardio 4-5 times 30-45 minutes. Diet is 2300-2600 cals per day 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. This keeps me lean year round. Logged my cals on fitday for a couple years straight don't really need to anymore.

Any feed back would be great, and please those trying to talk me out of year round use save it, I know how it felt off, I can't live like that. I would like to hear from guys who do this year round like I am now committed to doing.

Thanks guys

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Have you ever heard of PCT?

 

[joeblow12345]

Your main issue is your dose is too high. Most guys on trt stay at 100-200 mg week. Since your a blast and cruise guy I suggest running 250 mg week during the cruise and run what ever blast you want. Since adex isn't working I'd switch to aromasin or throw some forma in with the adex. But once you come down to 200-250 mg test your estrogen should be easier to control.


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[burnthiscorpse]

Your main issue is your dose is too high. Most guys on trt stay at 100-200 mg week. Since your a blast and cruise guy I suggest running 250 mg week during the cruise and run what ever blast you want. Since adex isn't working I'd switch to aromasin or throw some forma in with the adex. But once you come down to 200-250 mg test your estrogen should be easier to control.


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250mg is not a cruise dose unless you are a competitor. That will keep your test levels over 2000mg/dl which will cause elevated liver values, LDL, RBC ect for extended periods of time. Which is VERY unhealthy. If you want to cruise then find a dose that gets your test in the high normal range like around 1000ng/dl. It would most likely be 100-125mg wk. But you need bloodwork to know for sure where your Test and everything else is at. If your going to blast and cruise then regular blood work needs to be a way of life.

 

[joeblow12345]

250mg is not a cruise dose unless you are a competitor. That will keep your test levels over 2000mg/dl which will cause elevated liver values, LDL, RBC ect for extended periods of time. Which is VERY unhealthy. If you want to cruise then find a dose that gets your test in the high normal range like around 1000ng/dl. It would most likely be 100-125mg wk. But you need bloodwork to know for sure where your Test and everything else is at. If your going to blast and cruise then regular blood work needs to be a way of life.

It depends on the person as to what dose would keep you at high normal. As far as the 250 mg goes that's the lowest I'd go for someone who wants to maintain high levels of performance. The hrt doses are too low IMO to continuously hit pr's and hold onto large gains from blasts. The hrt doses are more suited for those with actual low t that want to be normal, and those that just lift for general fitness. Either way I agree that regular blood work is a must.


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[burnthiscorpse]

It depends on the person as to what dose would keep you at high normal. As far as the 250 mg goes that's the lowest I'd go for someone who wants to maintain high levels of performance. The hrt doses are too low IMO to continuously hit pr's and hold onto large gains from blasts. The hrt doses are more suited for those with actual low t that want to be normal, and those that just lift for general fitness. Either way I agree that regular blood work is a must.


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You are correct. 150mg of test might do for some what it might take others 250mg to equal level wise.
If your a competitor then yes a higher cruise to maintain mass is required. For myself... the change in size from a blast to 100mg wk is acceptable.
Blasting and cruising should be the equivilent of doing a cycle and going through a successful pct and ending up with good gains. Except with the cruise you can get your T levels at high normal or slightly over(say apx 1200ng/dl) which will allow more retention of mass and strength instead of dropping to a "normal" tet of say 600ng/dl.
Bottom line is what your after long term health wise. RBC too high too long isnt good for the heart.

 

[needtogetaas]

Hey guys,

I have done a few cycles over the last few years starting for the first time when I was 30. I felt like shit before my first cycle, could not for the life of me get lean despite hiring iron addict and running a strict timed carb diet, cardio 4 times per week, 3 days lifting etc (mind you I did lose some fat and got stronger the whole 3 months so he knew his shit, RIP). That was when I was 29. Fast forward to 30 years old, decided to do a cycle, 500 mg enanthate, felt like a CHAMP. Wow, what a difference in all aspects of my life. Got lean and muscular, full 6 pack and all. Came off, felt like shit again, went back on, champ again blah blah.. So anyway decided I'm staying on from now on. Been on 350 mg per week for a while now and sub 10% body fat and feeling great.

Problem is I have a little too much bloating in my face. I realize I do not control sodium like I should, but I think the test may have a lot to do with it. Anyone out there sensitive to test what is a good all the time dose of test to run to avoid this problem. I have arimidex, and take 2-3 tabs per week (1mg) but it doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I would also like to point out I don't plan on going up to 500 anymore, if I do it will be once per year for 3 months and thats it. I may do 2 iu's gh for 9-10 months but thats it.

Stats:

Sitting at 200 lbs right now, 5'8", bench 275, squat 300x3, deadlift 435x1, lift 3 days per week push pull legs, cardio 4-5 times 30-45 minutes. Diet is 2300-2600 cals per day 40% protein, 35% fat, 25% carbs. This keeps me lean year round. Logged my cals on fitday for a couple years straight don't really need to anymore.

Any feed back would be great, and please those trying to talk me out of year round use save it, I know how it felt off, I can't live like that. I would like to hear from guys who do this year round like I am now committed to doing.

Thanks guys

Ok so are you planning on staying on all the time now? Want maybe a good AI for staying on all the time too? I been on for the past couple of years so I know all the ins and outs of being on all the time bro. Love to help ya just let me know.

 

[MattJS]

I've been cruising at 250 for some time without issue, however I'm planning on dropping this to maybe 125 after or during my next blast due to health reasons as Burnthiscorpse mentioned... I found when I was 'on' that every aspect of my life improved, mood, sleeping, libido dropped to a manageable level etc hence my staying on.... Btw I recently upped my dose on a blast from 250 to 400 and have gained at least four pounds of water, and visible bloat... the difference in those two doses is significant you should try 250...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I've been cruising at 250 for some time without issue, however I'm planning on dropping this to maybe 125 after or during my next blast due to health reasons as Burnthiscorpse mentioned... I found when I was 'on' that every aspect of my life improved, mood, sleeping, libido dropped to a manageable level etc hence my staying on.... Btw I recently upped my dose on a blast from 250 to 400 and have gained at least four pounds of water, and visible bloat... the difference in those two doses is significant you should try 250...

Very significant increase between 250 and 400. If you were on 100mg for a while then went up 100mg every few months you would notice an absolute difference every 100mg increase. The only way to tell is bloodwork. Some guys can run a higher cruise dose like 250 which IS a cycle and not get as much elevated RBC, LDL, ect... as other people.

 

[pd01ag]

Very significant increase between 250 and 400. If you were on 100mg for a while then went up 100mg every few months you would notice an absolute difference every 100mg increase. The only way to tell is bloodwork. Some guys can run a higher cruise dose like 250 which IS a cycle and not get as much elevated RBC, LDL, ect... as other people.

You mentioned PCT before, of course I am familiar and I ran one after my first cycle. I didn't got back on for 6 or 7 months. Point was I felt like shit before my first cycle and like shit when I was off. Minute I went back on I started to feel good again (energy, sex drive, not depressed etc...). I think my test levels were probably in the toilet.

I will heed your advice though and drop the dose. I am pretty much just looking to keep myself in the high normal range forever and not really do cycles anymore. Maybe one here and there but at 350mg I have not lost really any weight or strength from 500mg not that I care if I do I just want to feel good every day. Maybe I will drop to 250 and see how that goes?

I appreciate your advice and I understand all the health implications.

I will say this I told my doctor I was on 300-350 mg of test and he said "so your not on anabolic steroids"? I was of course a little confused initially but it seems he doesn't consider test juice lol. Only health issues he mentioned were prostate and kidneys. However, I realize RBC count, high blood pressure etc... are other issues to look for. He's not an endo so I'll give him a break.