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[Blood&Iron]

Could you list a single well known strength coach who advocates HIT?

It's only praised by select bodybuilders, but I've always seen it laughed at by elite coaches.

Thx man,

-Zulu

The following comes from the HIT FAQ, a great intro to HIT and its basic tenents:

The U. S. Military Academy has been using HIT since the early 1970's - despite having several different strength coaches during that time. Penn State and Michigan have been using HIT for practically the same time - although Michigan has had the same strength coach, Penn State has gone through several (Dan Riley now with the Washington Redskins, Joe Diange who was there on an interim basis and later went to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Chet Furhman who is now with the Pittsburgh Steelers and most recently John Thomas).

All these men advocated HIT at Penn State and in the present. Penn State and Michigan are also noted for having very successful sports teams.

In the NFL:

Pittsburgh Steelers
Minnesota Vikings
Cincinnati Bengals
Philadelphia Eagles
Arizona Cardinals
Washington Redskins
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
New York Giants
Carolina Panthers
(The Redskins since 1981 and the Bengals since the early ‘70s).

In professional hockey, Stanley Cup Winners The Pittsburgh Penguins.

In professional baseball, the Detroit Tigers and San Diego Padres

In professional basketball, the Boston Celtics

1996 U.S. Olympic Women's Basketball Team (gold medal)

At the collegiate level, HIT programs are used at

The University of Kentucky (except football)
Southeast Missouri State University
University of Detroit - Mercy
Michigan
Penn State
Villanova
Stanford
Michigan State
The University of Toledo
The U.S. Military Academy
Providence College
Western Kentucky
The University of Cincinnati
Drexel University (PA)
University of Miami (FL) -- basketball (M/W), baseball, track and
field (M/W)

Of course this list is not exhaustive. One glaring omission is Matt Bryzcki, one of the foremost authorities on HIT, who is coordinator of strength programs at Princeton.

Good enough?

 

[bignate73]

offseason, ok.

in season, you know they go to submaximal weights, higher reps and plyometrics. hehe.

 

[Blood&Iron]

offseason, ok.

in season, you know they go to submaximal weights, higher reps and plyometrics. hehe.

I'll assume you're joking here.(Unfortunately, I lose all sense of humor when arguing so I'm just going by the 'hehe'.) Just in case you're not... HIT tends to be fairly rigidly applied, and most in the HIT community are even more disapproving of the above techniques than myself, so I doubt VERY MUCH that any of the teams/schools listed above would EVER employ them.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Smart training did make make Ronnie Mr. O Joe Weider says who is Mr O or not, it is purely politics. This was Ronnies last year, Cutler will be the next Mr O for several years.


Strength gains are in no ways directly proportional to size gains. there are many other physilogical factors that determine that.

Yes, but it is very hard (if possible) for you to get bigger and bigger by moving THE SAME WEIGHT! (unless you are on drugs or are advanced and not much new strenth is possible)

 

[SSAlexSS]

good article ALEX. but you can't tell these guys anything. they already know everything there is to possibly know and no one can teach them anything. don't worry though. that's what makes some people stand still while the others that are always open to new ideas will keep driving on. good post bro.

Thanks!!!!

 

[SSAlexSS]

I have said it before and I will say it again until you spend some time in the gym and can actually push some weight please do not give people advice on training or even worse is what your doing in this thread. You are trying to tell people what they are doing wrong because you read it in some book. There are thousands of case studies that contradict each other, and for some reason you have chosen one to think as correct. I really hope you actually start listening to people instead of trying to tell people what they are doing wrong. You should still be in the listen and learn phase from what you have put about your training.

So, you are one of 'those' .


Aks yourself a question. Would you listen to

a Some big mofo who benches alot. (who cares if he can barely count 1+1 or takes more juice to kill a horse. Who cares if he was able to bench more than anyone else when he was 5 ... he must have know something.... Yeh, he knew that having good parents is most important sometimes and brain is not required for brawn.)

I bet you gonna beg Flex Wheeler on his bench secrets... Lets leave it at that.

or

b A guy who actually knows stuff and relies on BRAIN and thinking, rather at god given ability...

 

[bignate73]

I'll assume you're joking here.(Unfortunately, I lose all sense of humor when arguing so I'm just going by the 'hehe'.) Just in case you're not... HIT tends to be fairly rigidly applied, and most in the HIT community are even more disapproving of the above techniques than myself, so I doubt VERY MUCH that any of the teams/schools listed above would EVER employ them.

i was joking with you at first(knowing your take on plyos), but for you to assume that HIT is used in season... well maybe im not. plyometric and event oriented training is the core of inseason work, strength training (especially for hypertrophy) tends to get the back seat as power and reactive explosiveness is now desired. assuming the schools you mentioned above have track and field, basketball, etc. I have no doubt that they use reactive neuromuscular training (plyos) to increase performance.

offseason and for strength work....i may agree with you that they use HIT. but i dont know an AT or strength coach that doesnt have a CSCS cert. CSCS being through NSCA, their focus for inseason is plyos and speed(if we are talking about a sport that requires: running, jumping, changing directions rapidly, etc.)

 

[FitnessFrk]

SSAlexSS...I am in totall agreement on "certain" exercises you must increase weight to stimulater hypertrophy. but I would have to say many people do this and sacrifice form. it makes no sense to constantly increase the poundages used in working sets when the exercise is performed improperly and the "target" muscle is not getting the proper stimulation.

 

[SSAlexSS]

SSAlexSS...I am in totall agreement on "certain" exercises you must increase weight to stimulater hypertrophy. but I would have to say many people do this and sacrifice form. it makes no sense to constantly increase the poundages used in working sets when the exercise is performed improperly and the "target" muscle is not getting the proper stimulation.

I totally agree with you.

But since i use good form, I have a tendency to think that others use good form as well. I found that constantly increasing weight on big movements grow muscle (atleast on me)...

 

[ZZuluZ]

Blood and Iron,

Let's think about this logically. There are several factors to being functionally strong. HIT advocates very few sets. Now, tell me; how do you intend to include:

Dynamic Speed work
Maximum effort (ie; low reps) work
Hypertrophy work

In 2 sets once a week??? It just doesn't work.

What about assistance exercises? You're only as strong as your weakest link. With 2 sets you simply cannot hit all the muscles in the BP for example. What about your rotator cuffs??

HIT simply doesn't make sense too me. Unless you can explain otherwise....

-Zulu