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[bignate73]

given a particular exercise, how do you propose to challenge the nervous system?(or is this not a consideration?) more load? more load doesnt always equate to a neural adaptation. the purpose of weight training is not ALWAYS muscular adaptation. there is a point when you need to cycle over to a more proprioceptive type training program to allow for the nervous system to get better. as for plyos, they have been tried and true for years. reactive neuromuscular training is maybe not for everyone, due to the fact that those people arent stable enough to handle placing jarring near maximal force on unstablized joints. its not for the average fitness "joe" but for those looking to push the envelope a bit and develop some power, plyos build explosiveness.

as for potential for injury. anytime someone does a squat with load and they are not in a neutral spine....they invite injury even moreso. which is 98% of the people i see in the gym everyday. and all of the powerlifters ive seen.

 

[sysopt]

I say to hell with this shit. Get your ass in the gym and lift. If you progress, keep it that way; if you don't, change something.

 

[Kid Blast]

tendentious.

Hang on. Gotta look that up.

 

[Kid Blast]

Okay, got it.

ten·den·tious or ten·den·cious adj
written or spoken by somebody who obviously wants to promote a particular cause or who supports a particular viewpoint.

 

[Mesofreaky]

Neural Adapation has been mentioned a few times here rather sparingly. Neural adaption is the most important part of strength training, I firmly believe its about the only factor that matters on a strength level.

 

[Godly1]

yes, i am a newcomer to the boards. the gym though? i've been to the gym before. however i saw minimal results during past attempts due to my build and genetics. then i had to take quite a bit of time off because of a surgery. but now i'm back in the gym and seeing great results because i've educated myself about training techniques.

oh, and did i mention that i spent four years in the army as a medical specialist dealing mainly with orthopedic injuries? now i don't consider myself as an expert of physiology, but i do know more than the average person.

just don't throw away information that can prevent injuries. some exercises don't always directly build mucsle. but if you don't do these exercises, then you run a higher risk of becoming injured and not being able to exercise at all. and we all know that that won't build any muscle at all.

just do what works for you but also take the time to do those exercises that will benifit you in other ways.

 

[Blood&Iron]

given a particular exercise, how do you propose to challenge the nervous system?(or is this not a consideration?) more load? more load doesnt always equate to a neural adaptation. the purpose of weight training is not ALWAYS muscular adaptation. there is a point when you need to cycle over to a more proprioceptive type training program to allow for the nervous system to get better. as for plyos, they have been tried and true for years.

Again, I have seen no studies that I consider to be reliable to back up any of these assertions. Direct me to some and I will look at them.

reactive neuromuscular training is maybe not for everyone, due to the fact that those people arent stable enough to handle
placing jarring near maximal force on unstablized joints.

I think these words speak for themselves. I can't think of a reason ANYONE would want to place "jarring near maximal force" on their joints.

its not for the average fitness "joe" but for those looking to push the envelope a bit and develop some power, plyos build explosiveness.

as for potential for injury. anytime someone does a squat with load and they are not in a neutral spine....they invite injury even moreso. which is 98% of the people i see in the gym everyday. and all of the powerlifters ive seen.

Yes, powerlifting carries with it a significant risk of injury but certainly no more of one than plyometrics. And the squat is, for the vast majority of trainees, an orthopedically unsound movement that creates excessive sheer forces in the knee joint and causes compression of the spinal column. When someone squats with as little as .8 to 1.6 times their bodyweight, the force in their low back is 6 to 10 times this. (I do squat, though. This is one instance where I have ignored evidence which I don't care for, and will probably come to regret it later.)

 

[ZZuluZ]

Blood and Iron, maybe we're just disagreeing because you're argueing from a BB perspective and I'm argueing from a PL (or functional strength) POV?

I'll get some facts on Jones but what from I've read he's definitely not what he's made out to be. I also don't agree with HIT, which probably causes more accidents than most other training techniques.

-Zulu

 

[Blood&Iron]

Blood and Iron, maybe we're just disagreeing because you're argueing from a BB perspective and I'm argueing from a PL (or functional strength) POV?

I'll get some facts on Jones but what from I've read he's definitely not what he's made out to be. I also don't agree with HIT, which probably causes more accidents than most other training techniques.

-Zulu

We're disagreeing because we hold differing opinions.(How's that for a tautology?) Not much to be done there. I'm not about to change mine, though given sufficient evidence I would, and you are probably not going to be changing yours anytime soon either, despite the fact that I can cite ample evidence to back up my views. We each interpret the evidence differently. I WILL state unequivocally that HIT is one of, if not the safest, training protocols that exists as it emphasizes non-ballistic movements, impeccable form, and generally avoids orthopedically unsound movements. Of course, HIT is a bit nebulously defined and people like Dorian Yates who did use ballistic movements, contrary to common HIT practices, incurred significant injuries. This was entirely his fault, and almost certainly also was related to his steroid use, and not due to HIT, which eschews excessive momentum(Momentum is one of the most commons causes of injury when lifting.) I, for one, have not sustained an injury since I started with HIT a little less 3 years ago.(In many regards I am no longer a HITter, however. This was discussed in a separate thread.)

 

[ZZuluZ]

Could you list a single well known strength coach who advocates HIT?

It's only praised by select bodybuilders, but I've always seen it laughed at by elite coaches.

Thx man,

-Zulu