Last edited:
Robert Jan said:the girl is dumb...dumb powerpuff girl doesn't know what she is talking about.
Deus Ex Machina said:in my experience, 90% of the war protestors i have come in contact with, are exactly like you described.
BrandonXJ said:you guys are clicking that link and getting audio? i'm getting an animated .gif.
Robert Jan said:In my experience 90% of all people are stupid, so what you say hardly has merit. Also Most people who oppose the war don't actually go out and stand around with a sign. I know I dont.
Deus Ex Machina said:if terrorists could vote, would they choose bush or kerry?![]()
Tiervexx said:If Iraq really did have enough liberty minded individuals to be free than they would have overthrown Saddam themselves.
DocHoliday said:I fixed the clip Becomig.
The point is this: Leaving Sadaam in power wont bring peace to the region. This is an Iraqi man who moved his family to get away from Iraq and Sadaam. I think he knows better than any of us. He owns the little peace princess, plain and simple. If you dont like it or dont agree, it is your right. I still say the regime change had to happen. 99% of Iraqis agree.
Sh4dowF4lcon said:Code he is an American now as I understand and moved from Iraq. I believe the accent is real. I love when he calls her "little bird chirping". LOL!
Code said:1.) I didn't think we were there to bring peace to Iraq. We are there to remove Saddam and restore the infrastructure.
2.) The guy uses words like fillibuster which are definately words an Iraqi would not be inclined to use, even he knew the proper usage.
3.) The radio 'host' constantly eggs her on to answer him, even while the "iraqi" berates her.
4.) It is VERY VERY common for radio shows to make up callers just to rile the listeners in hopes of garnering more listeners.
BrandonXJ said:I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm going to have to agree with Code here.
I don't care how long you've lived in the US, foreigners don't just bust out with "ping pong" and "nickelodeon" in normal conversation. He could've been prompted, or reading pre-fabbed rebuttal's written by the radio station, or some other US raised person.
Dougly said:That was a year or so ago. I wonder what he thinks now.
DocHoliday said:Bet he aint in no hurry to get back to Iraq with his wife and children. I wonder what the "little bird" thinks now.
Code said:1.) I didn't think we were there to bring peace to Iraq. We are there to remove Saddam and restore the infrastructure.
2.) The guy uses words like fillibuster which are definately words an Iraqi would not be inclined to use, even he knew the proper usage.
3.) The radio 'host' constantly eggs her on to answer him, even while the "iraqi" berates her.
4.) It is VERY VERY common for radio shows to make up callers just to rile the listeners in hopes of garnering more listeners.
Robert Jan said:50-50 is very very optimistic.
Your friend there is probably not in touch with a representative extract of the population as a Westerner and support has gone down.
PS the link did not work for me either. But I know the clip I heard it before.

Tiervexx said:Let me rephrase.
50% liked saddam, 50% did not. I have no idea how much of the ladder want democracy, and I'm sure that many who want democracy still don't like us.![]()
Deus Ex Machina said:also remember that a lot of iraqis are pressured to thinking like their more anti-american counterparts, for fear of reprisal or being labeled as a 'coalition supporter'
Synpax said:To respond:
1) We are there to bring peace. We aren't there to fight terrorists, but to engage a strategy of 'draining the swamp.' This is done by eliminating tyrants and unjust governments where there is no rule of law, etc. It won't end all terrorist threats, but it will aid in limiting their abilities.
2) Iraqis are one of the most educated Islam-dominated states in the middle east. They were practically a Western state with a British-style education system.
3) She constantly avoids answering his question. He very precisely answers hers. And she gets as much speaking time as he does, if not more.
4) Any evidence that it is 'very very common'? Reason dictates that there is no difficulty in finding Iraqi ex-pats here who can badmouth Hussien. Some of them had an office right near where I lived on the Hill. I personally know two Iranians in the same situation. You may disagree with him, but why doubt his sincerity? Not only that, but I read an AP story just yesterday where they are talking to Iraqis TODAY who are IN Iraq and they echo the same sentiments of this guy.
Tiervexx said:The end result is still the same. To have a free sociaty it MUST be the other way around! Quite minorities are completely useless, even quite majorities can't do too much.
True. I believe that the majority of Iraqis are the 'quiet' ones who are in favor of the US's actions. There's the minority of Iraqi's who go around, spouting their extremist creed, threatening anyone else who would go against them... Iraq first needs to be secure, the people need the security to speak out without fear or being labeled an infidel. I always see protests on the news, but they're always anti-American protests. You will never see a pro-America rally in Iraq, atleast not right now. People are too scared.
The USA only drove out England because the liberty-minded individuals here were able to put the sheep in their places. There are no signs of that happening in Iraq on the scale that is needed.
True to an extent. We can be more sure on June 30th, when sovereignty is supposed to be handed over. We will see the new leaders of Iraq, and we will see how much charisma they have with the people.
Another thing that will help a free, and individualistic sociaty hold together is a sense of pride. Do you think Americans would have been so proud if the French would have completly fought our war for us than wrote us a constitution, then made sure that our early leaders were acceptable to them?
Yeh the military, working with Iraqis, is trying to fix that through a series of non-war related things, such as rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure -- schools, hospitals, housing, etc... There's a sense of pride in that, IMO. There will be a sense of pride through all of the cleric leadership and assitance in forming the Iraqi governing council. But yeh, they couldn't do most of the work themselves like we did, since they are so divisive.
Synpax said:They aren't in Iraq. His cousins are, as he said.
Sh4dowF4lcon said:Do your friends call you Sherlock?
wow
This page contains mature content. By continuing, you confirm you are over 18 and agree to our TOS and User Agreement.
Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 














