Q's about glucophage, glucose reading's,& quik ketosi

[Ana]

I've been taking Glucophage for 2 mth's...

I'm on lo-carb but not in ketosis, yet still eating the hi-fat, therefore I need to get into ketosis fast.

My diet will consist of mod. fat protein foods and maybe a salad thrown in...

How can I get into ketosis quicker using Glucophage,
some one with knowledge please explain..

Also, when muscles are already beyond full, (Glucophage as a disposal agent) where is the glucose disposed of in the urine or the fat cells?

I have a nifty electronic Glucometer....

In the morning (no glucophage taken, and out of system)
reading is...84 mg/dl.

After the gym (Ripped fuel taken, on an empty stomach)
reading is....93 mg/dl

Took one 850mg. Glucophage 45 min. before eating...
Hi-fat,lo-carb meal (stuffed, I also had nuts) checked
blood sugar 1 or 2 hrs. after eating and the reading was...76 mg/dl.

Can anyone help me with this or tell me what they think about it? Please?

 

[Ana]

BUMP

 

[MS]

I'm a little confused. Are you on a keto diet right now, or just about to start one. If your on a keto diet right now then what %fat to %protein are you eating. You may easily be eating too much protein/not enough fat. You may have too many carbs in your diet. Glucometers are not particularly accurate either so you could be 10-15% either side of the reading it gives you. How do you FEEL?? In other words do you feel like you're in ketosis?

Glucophage may help you enter ketosis on several fronts. It inhibits glucose production in the liver. It also inhibits uptake of glucose from the intestines, but this should not be an issue for you if you're not eating carbs. It also increases peripheral uptake of glucose from the blood independant of insulin which is particularly relevant for entering ketosis. However I would caution against using metphormin once you've entered ketosis. If you do a carb up you should also consider using metphormin to increase insulin sensitivity/glucose uptake since short term keto diets usually blunt your insulin sensitivity.

 

[Ana]

I'm doing Low carb now, but I'm not in ketosis.

I feel like shit 'cause I've been eating very high fat and moderate carbs...at 1,510 calories per day, I'm getting 45 grams of protein, 40 grams of carbs., and 130 grams of FAT....I bought two containers of all natural Peanutbutter and I have a total addiction, I didn't realize it would keep me out of ketosis the way it has.

So, since I'll feel bad if I just toss it in the trash, I eat it at all two of my meals mixed w/ heavy cream, coconut and almonds, walnuts, and hazelnuts (NO SWEETENER).
After 2 1/2 days I'm truly sick of PB and it's in the trash.

Now, today I start my keto diet....this A.M. I've taken my Glucophage. Yes, when I do reach ketosis I will stop taking glucophage. I take nothing else at this time as I feel badly manipulating my body w/ a medication I don't even need.

I will be consuming baked Salmon, baked chicken parts,
boiled eggs and the occasional salad w/ olive oil and feta. At the Taverna's they sell marinated octopus and sword fish kabobs, very good...so there it is and I so appreciate your help as always.

 

[MS]

Well I gotta say the diet you've been on is the strangest thing I've heard yet. How come the protein is so low and the fat so high? Just very curious...

 

[Ana]

Peanut butter and nuts don't have all that much protein.
Heavy cream has none.

It's high fat because peanutbutter, nuts, and heavy cream are high fat foods....

Plus, they are gone in the trash...I've started ketoing
(not a word, I know).

The foods I'm eating now are the ones I listed in the last post and also I'm taking Glucophage to speed the decent...

No more PB for me.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

First, it only takes about three-five days to get into ketosis. Second, I'd get off the ripped fuel because it will make you less sensitive to insulin and counteract the effects of the glucophage to some extent. Third, if you're not diabetic, you don't need the glucophage for ketosis and you should get off of it. Right before you start the keto diet, go through a very hard weight workout followed by a long session of low intesity cardio- slow walking for an hour to hour and a half for example. You will then be primed for ketosis but be careful of your blood sugar levels dropping too far to fast and passing out- SAFETY FIRST, good luck- AD

 

[Ana]

I am not diabetic, Anabolic Diabetic, but the first month I started taking it I felt better as far as stable blood sugars i.e. no falling asleep after a carb meal.

I noticed fuller muscle, some growth..and the ability to eat more carbs.

Now I feel guilty, like it's not right to take something that you don't need to take....I mean what if when I go off of Glucophage, then my body's like "hey where is our glucophage" and then, own it's own, my body will not work the way it should w/ out the glucophage....do you get what I'm trying to say?

I NEED my ripped ONLY once a day before the gym, 4 x's a week.

Yesterday I had a 2 hour every body part workout.
Today I did the same thing. It actually felt very good even though I pushed it hard the day before and I had no food in my tummy, but I just had broiled salmon and a multi-vit....so I'm cool.

I'm afraid I'll get into ketosis w/ the glucophage, then I'll stop taking it and then I'll not be in ketosis anymore unless I continue w/ the glucophage....I will just have to see won't I.

Oh, thank you for your concern.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

It actually sounds like you may be hypoglycemic based on what you said. If this is the case, there are specific dietary changes you can make to take care of your blood sugar fluctuations. I understand your need for the ripped fuel but this really is not something that is going to be good for you long term so you might as well find a way to jump off the train. I suggest going to an endocrinologist who will be able to get you stabilized and going in a more healthy direction-AD

 

[Ana]

I'm going for a full thyriod panel soon and a blood test...
I want to know how my cholesterol is.

How come you are against the ripped fuel, besides it causing insulin-insensitivity???

Y eah, I knew I was hypo-glycemic...just afraid it had gone into type 2 diabetes(non-insulin dependant).

I may as well get that tested for also...while I'm their getting the other tests.

The endo sounds like a good idea.

Thanks....

 

[MS]

Yes, please get a full panel of endocrine tests including fasting glucose challenge. And I also agree you should lay off the ripped fuel. It should not be used as a 'crutch' to get you through your workouts.

Ana, if you are borderline typeII diabetic you should avoid a cyclical keto diet because short term high fat diets will worsen your condition. Same really if you're hypoglycemic. So it's a good idea to find out what's up with your body and design a diet to suit. Let us know how you go....

 

[chuck48]

what are your goals here?! I don't like the looks of this diet your on at all. Protein is way too low, fat is way too high. Where did you come up with this?

 

[Ana]

I'm not in ketosis yet. I 've been under 20 g. of carbs since thursday.

This morning right out of bed I wanted to check my glucose reading without Glucophage....it was 81.


When yesterday after I ate some salmon and lettuce and after I had already taken Glucophage like 2 hours earlier the reading was 65.

Today I did not take Glucophage....I want to get in to ketosis naturally, I don't care how long it takes.

I'm just so done w/ drugs I don't need.

Piracetam is o.k. though, right?

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

The thyroid panel is a good idea. Both my mom and sister are low thyroid and now I have also found out mine is low aswell. One thing most people don't know is that even borderline low thyroid in diabetics can cause major difficulties in stabilizing blood sugar. This can also be true for non-diabetics although the fluctuations will be more minor.

Also, Ana, it looks to me as though the glucophage is causing the fluctuations in your blood sugar to be worse so I'd stay off and let your body find its baseline again.

 

[Ana]

I stopped taking the Glucophage. I want to get into ketosis naturally.

After 5 days I was not getting into ketosis while on Glucophage....Now I'm trying it without Glucophage.

Today is day two. I did my whole body elimination workout for 2 hrs. yesterday and found myself in bed til 1 pm. this afternoon(on greece time) very sore and tired.

For breakfast I had...1 egg with a chopped hotdog, sour cream and chives on top. I put alot of cayenne on top of that.

Lunch was a huge chef salad, so dinner will only be a spoonful or two of real cream cheese.
Must get into ketosis.

I'll tell the results of blood test and thyroid panel soon.

 

[chuck48]

This makes no sense. This kind of shit will make you feel like shit and could possibly screw you up big time. Why are you doing this???????????????????????

 

[MS]

Yeah, wassup Ana??

 

[Ana]

What do you mean? I stopped taking glucophage.
That's it.

I figure I don't want to control my body w/ a pill hoping it will bring me into ketosis quicker when I can do it myself naturally.

I go back to visit my parents for 2 weeks in the U.S. in 3 weeks...I can't bring Glucophage w/ me so I decided to take myself off of it.

If your refering to my wacky dieting behavior well......

1. It could be my BF making me feel like I HAVE to be a certain way.

2. This way of eating is fine for me. I enjoy it. What do you want a menu? Tonight I had broiled salmon on romaine lettuce w/ homemade blue cheese dressing...that doesn't sound unhealthy does it?

3. My workouts are exhaustive anyway....the whole body torture session I did the other day was to get rid of stored glycogen...

Anything else? The blood test and thyroid panel will be done next week since I've just recently moved into my apartment here in Greece.

Chuck 48, explain.
Have you ever been in ketosis? I mean for atleast 1 month, not 1 week.
Well it feels great ONCE your body adjusts, which takes around 1 month.
Appetite suppresion(sp?), euphoric high, increased dopamine levels, more energy, no highs and lows from carbs and no cravings. Oh yeah and weightloss.

I don't like that carby look if you know what I mean.

Don't be mad at me, I'm getting it together...