Proviron vs Unleashed

[Nelson Montana]

Can you provide a double blind human study with a placebo control that shows "oats" raise free testosterone??

Because I cant..

Avenacosides aren't oats.

I can see by the last 2 of your total 34 posts you're trying to be antagonistic. There is plenty of evidence on the effectiveness of UNLEASHED including blood test results and empirical evidence from dozens of members of this board -- many of whom are diehard, jaded, advanced trainers.

 

[lohyewcheong]

What would be the effect of Unleashed on a female? Would it be helpful?

 

[Nelson Montana]

What would be the effect of Unleashed on a female? Would it be helpful?

Women don;t have an HPTA but most women seem to react similarly as they would to increased testosterone -- higher libido, strength and muscle hardness.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

Avenacosides aren't oats.

I can see by the last 2 of your total 34 posts you're trying to be antagonistic. There is plenty of evidence on the effectiveness of UNLEASHED including blood test results and empirical evidence from dozens of members of this board -- many of whom are diehard, jaded, advanced trainers.

Apologies if I come off as an asshole, I am really not trying to come off that way.

Either way, Avenacosides is extract from Avena Sativa... Which is nothing more than wild oats.. no?

I don't see how my total post count correlates to the discussion at hand also.

I asked a question. Simply if there was a double blind, placebo controlled human study PUBLISHED about the effectiveness of Avena Sativa (oats) extract on SHBG and free testosterone levels.

Being this is a product you endorse and stand behind I don't see the problem.

I have trolled your posts, you seem very knowledgeable. So I assume you would understand that "dozens of users have shown bloodwork on here that are tried, true and respected members" just doesn't cut it when marketing a product. We are leaving things to word of mouth.

SHBG and Free Testosterone levels can be impacted by so many things. Diet, time of testing, pre or post workout, drugs etc. etc.

Somebody simply saying "Oh, I took some UNLEASHED .... went and got my bloodwork done and OMFG my FREE TESTOSTERONE IS 1200 +" is shaky at best.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Apologies if I come off as an asshole, I am really not trying to come off that way.

Either way, Avenacosides is extract from Avena Sativa... Which is nothing more than wild oats.. no?

I don't see how my total post count correlates to the discussion at hand also.

I asked a question. Simply if there was a double blind, placebo controlled human study PUBLISHED about the effectiveness of Avena Sativa (oats) extract on SHBG and free testosterone levels.

Being this is a product you endorse and stand behind I don't see the problem.

I have trolled your posts, you seem very knowledgeable. So I assume you would understand that "dozens of users have shown bloodwork on here that are tried, true and respected members" just doesn't cut it when marketing a product. We are leaving things to word of mouth.

SHBG and Free Testosterone levels can be impacted by so many things. Diet, time of testing, pre or post workout, drugs etc. etc.

Somebody simply saying "Oh, I took some UNLEASHED .... went and got my bloodwork done and OMFG my FREE TESTOSTERONE IS 1200 +" is shaky at best.

A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

Sorry if I read into what you were saying the wrong way. At any rate, there are some studies on line but realize, proving that something may be valuable to a bodybuilder is NOT a big concern of the medical community so studies wit ANY of this stuff is limited. Even studies on STEROIDS are pretty minimal.

There were double blind studies conducted by the company and it was admittedly with a handful of people. I have also personally taken (several) blood tests before and after and saw undoubtedly that Free T was higher while using the ingredients.

Now, a lot of companies claim they did tests and a lot of company cite "University studies" which quite frankly, is bullshit. You can pay some college chemistry class to give you the answer you want and that's a "University Study."

So in the end, challanging people to prove you wrong is the acid test. And believe me, the guys on this board will let you know if something doesn't work! In the end, the proof is in the pudding. UNLEASHED works. It does what it's supposed to do. And that's what matters.