Pros and their purpoted drug use

[SSAlexSS]

I don't know much about pros or steroids, but I know in (I think) 1999 a guy called Kiyoshi Moody won the World Natural Championships or something like that.... in which all competitors have to pass a polygraph test beforehand, which proves that they have NEVER taken any steroids in their life.

I thought he looked pretty good, but he wasn't very big.

Genetics and correct training.... BUT.... many so called naturals are just juiced to the gills guys who just manage to beat the tests (simple really)... Ofcourse they do not take steroids in qualities of the pro bodybuilders!!!

 

[fhg43]

Genetics=superior athletes

Drugs=improved athletic performance

Drugs+genetics= super athletes that pullout great performances.

I hate to burst your bubble, but performance enhancing drugs are a part of every single sport. Anytime a serious athlete can gain asignificant advantage from a foreign substance and not get caught, that athlete will take substance. Thats part of the game. Losing sucks. Professional athletes definitely take drugs-they get paid to win! If you are only as good as your last competition-and u lost- then you'll do whatever to get back to winning. And often winning depends on how much money you get in your next contract or paycheck!

FHG

 

[Grizzly]

Re: Re: Re: Re: My reason for this thread

Ok... Lets start with the basics.
FIRST CYCLE - Great GAINS....
Second cycle - Lesser gains....
10th (or so) - Tiny gains even though u use 10x (not a typo) of steroids

...(insert random large number)..... 20x roids JUST to maintain the size. I am not even talking about gaining....


Fist 20 or so pounds of steroid muscle is easy to get. THEN your body starts getting used to steroids, so you need to more and more steroids....

It is like E=MC2 equation. It is easy to go at slow speeds, but when you arrive near the light speed- then you need almost inifinite amount of energy to continue....


Eventually you WOULD need like 5 grams of test, constant insulin/gH injections to gain EXTRA 5 pounds of muscle... Scary, huh?

And to maintain you would need A LOT, since you are WAYYY above what your body either capable off or it desires....

Brutal size needs brutal amount of gear. YOU MAY NEED up to 6 grams of strong testerone to look like a good pro bodybuilder, and remember - your natural test levels fall so you can't get off roids and keep all your gains... (there are ways to do that, but not for competition).

Remember, muscle growth / steroid use IS NOT linear relationship!

After basic gains you REALLY need to inject and swallow for even slightest change!


Think about flex wheeler. He had some SERIOUS health probs off steroids. He has the best genetics ever and even he was a majjor roider. He couldnt compete in 2001 Mr O naturally without roids... ANd guess what, he couldnt get 215 pound phisique without roids! His genetics are the best, but only with lots of roids....

You are in a wrong time buddy! If these were the 70s, sure you could go with little amount of roids.... and get a Frankie Zane kind of phisique. But today the standarts are much higher! SO is the drug use.... Remember Arnie used to take d-bol in huge quantities!!!! And he was so light! While his cycles weren't....

Thanks. I kind of knew that part, more or less, but would you happen to know why exactly, like the chemical processes or whatever, that is? I kind of understand receptor site downgrading and all, but is there more to it? I liked the E=MC2 analogy. Good one.

Now, what I would be really interested in is any info you would have regarding exactly what Arnie's cycles looked like. Got any? I think when I go home for Christmas break I'll ask the biggest guy I know about this here stuff. I'd be interested in knowing exactly what he does. If any of you are interested I'll tell you. I mean, he's a seriously HUGE dude. I find this topic interesting, as you all might be able to tell.

 

[Blood&Iron]

I've read a number of things regarding drug use among people like Mentzer and Arnold. There are some pretty widely varying reports of Schwarzenegger's use, but I recall reading that he admitted openly what his cycles were in Muscle Builder or some other magazine. I think he recommend 4 tabs of D-bol for a big-guy, which would be him, and that'd put him at 20mg of D-bol a day. Not much. Could be wrong though.

 

[DanielBishop]

SSAlexSS....

Drug tests AND polygraph tests.

 

[Grizzly]

SSAlexSS....

Drug tests AND polygraph tests.

Bro, drug tests AND polygraph tests are easy to pass. The drug tests simply require using fast acting/short lived drugs. As for the polys, there's many, many ways to pass them. Look it up with the search function. There's the "tack in the shoe" method. There's the "use a bunch of coke" method. There's the "study" method. Actually, I don't know if the "study" method really works, but I saw it in a movie. Christopher Reeves was supposedly paralyzed(isn't that prophetic) and then shot his wife, who was cheating on him. Well, he "studied" for the poly by first tape recording all of the possible questions that would be asked of him. Then he played it back and practiced answering them until he became very proficient at lying, and, conceivably, actually believed his lies. Seems like a valid method to me.

Blood&Iron- Thank you! There's so many stories about Arnold and the other pros of the day eating "handfulls of d-bol at a time" and I knew that it must have been false. They might not have had the same knowledge about drugs as we do today, but they weren't stupid and I'm sure they could have figured out that "handfulls" would not be very good to eat. Personally, I think that Arnold just had very good genetics and his drug usage was minimal. Ok, maybe not minimal, but not nearly as much as people claim he used. The people who claim that he used tons and tons of roids are just jealous of his development. He got the way he did because of an iron-will to succeed and training until he passed out or puked, whichever came first. Like he said in "Pumping Iron," "I have no fear of fainting in the gym. I've fainted many times.,... If you can't pass the pain period, then you will never be a champion." Ok, so it wasn't a direct quotation, but it was pretty fucking close.

 

[Blood&Iron]

Like he said in "Pumping Iron," "I have no fear of fainting in the gym. I've fainted many times.,... If you can't pass the pain period, then you will never be a champion." Ok, so it wasn't a direct quotation, but it was pretty fucking close.

My favorite line is "Maybe I give him the wrong advices." Cracks me up every time.

 

[BigSteve]

Daniel Bishop: all competitors have to pass a polygraph test beforehand, which proves that they have NEVER taken any steroids in their life.

The fact that someone has "passed" a polygraph "test" is proof of nothing. Polygraph “tests” have never been shown to determine truth from deception with better than chance results in a peer-reviewed scientific study conducted under field conditions.

Furthermore, anyone (including the biggest juicehead) can defeat a polygraph "test" with minimal training. To learn how this is done in full detail, visit http://www.antipolygraph.org All of the information is available on this site at absolutely no cost.

You may be correct when you suggest that Moody is natural. On the other hand, you may be wrong. Nonetheless, the fact that he "passed" a pseudoscientific polygraph "test" is evidence of nothing. Polygraphs were outlawed in the US private sector with the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act after major scientific groups including the American Medical Association argued that they were unreliable. The extreme unreliability of lie detectors is also why virtually no major sport (certainly not in the US) uses polygraphs for drug testing. And we all know that drug use is rampant in all sports, not just bodybuilding.

Bodybuilding shows and fishing contests are the only competitions where lie detection is used consistently. In a sport that is fighting so hard for legitimacy, promoters should reconsider their actions. Lie detector "tests" are easily beaten, tend to falsely accuse many truthful people, and add substantial costs to running the show. Promoters may be fooling uniformed spectators, but they are not fooling sophisticated competitors or fans.

 

[DanielBishop]

Well, drug testing as well as polygraph testing.... I think it's probably a good combination. If not perfect, probably the best you could get.

And I think the World Natural Bodybuilding Comittee or whatever the hell they are.... actually have an interest in producing natural bodybuilders. Why else would they exist? Obviously they aren't going to compete with the IFBB and stuff, so it would be in their interest to make sure their competitors are clean like they claim. Because if their audience wanted to see roiders, they'd watch IFBB.

Anyway, thanks for that link. Might come in handy one day.

 

[Grizzly]

Sure, the Committe has interests in producing natural athletes, but the athletes has an interest in winning. I know when I step on stage it isn't with the intention of losing. So, the athletes with the highest drive to win and the lowest code of ethics(not because I think steroids are wrong, but because I think competing in natural shows while using is wrong and unethical) will juice so that way they can win. And, by using and developing a great physique while comepting "naturally" guys like Skip LaCour and Mike O'Hearn can make shitloads of dough promoting bogus supplements claiming that that is how they developed their physique. It's a great career move.