Pros and their purpoted drug use

[Milford Jenings]

A good friend of mine is a card carrying pro. He will freely admit to you that they use drugs for every aspect of the sport. Including speed to help melt off the fat before a contest. In the same setting he will tell you about the failed kidneys, stone hard liver and bad stomach he has from all of this. HE has confirmed that it is a 60K to 70K a year sport...and that's not including the rent. It's a trade off. Get real big and destroy the body from the inside out, or settle for legal and legit and build the whole.

For me...it's keep it natural and legal. That and I'm really attached to my liver.

MJ

 

[diamonddiceclay]

every pro bb'er is on large amounts of gear-it's a fact

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Pros and their purported drug use

He's a question for you people. It's really been bugging me. In one sentence somebody will claim that the pros use huge amounts of drugs and that's why they look like they do. Yet, in the next sentence they claim it's the pros genetics that do the trick. Now, my question is this: Isn't it quite possible that the pros don't use that many drugs because of their genetics? Here's my theory: For a "normal" guy he must use 12 kits of GH and 5 grams of test and 300mgs/day of Anadrol a week to come anywhere near a pro. Now, the pros, admittedly, have superior growth genetics. Then, why is it assumed that they use huge amounts? Couldn't they grow very well with medium amounts of drugs due to their genetic pre-dispositions? Why is it that everyone is so quick to attribute their success to drugs?

Here is the answer. YES its genetics. Genetics is more important than drugs. PROs respond to drugs much better than mere mortals. 5 g of test will affect them differently than it will you.

"Normal guy" even using 50000 anadrols per day would not look like a pro.

Elite pros don't take more drugs than your average Joe (except for GH and insulin) yet they look better, dont they?

Genetics!!!!!

The people have perputrated the myth "You train like a pro, eat like one, take this supplements and finally steroids... And you will look like a pro" . .. BULLCRAP!

 

[Ingram]

Re: natural

I've always trained natural brother.

Wow, when I saw your pics I definitely thought you ‘d done many cycles. Your back is absolutely sick for someone who’s on the sauce, let alone all natural. Great work bro!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: My reason for this thread

Here's why I ask this question. Well, this and I don't like to see the pros constantly bashed as completely reliant on drugs. That's just an excuse.

Ok, I guess you could say that I have "great genetics." I've yet to juice, something that will be remedied in a few weeks(hopefully. boo on customs!) and I have 19" arms. Now, a typical first cycle can be expected to yield 20-30lbs. I've read somewhere that 10lbs of bodyweight is approximately equal to 1" on your arms, give or take. Now, in theory, at the end of my first cycle I will be damn near Arnold sized. To go from Arnold sized to the size of, say, Gunter Shlierkamp shouldn't take too much more. Therefore, theoretically, I could attain pro size and status with minimal amounts of drugs. Am I wrong? Is it just wishful thinking or what?

And, while I'm at it, would someone explain to me why you need to take a certain amount of juice to not shrink? I understand that it blocks cortisol and when you come off the cortisol goes crazy and shrinks your shit up, but why do some folks claim to need a gram of test per week at all times just to maintain size? I don't get that part.

To go from Arnolds (230 pounds of steroid muscle) to gunters 299 pounds of muscle... YOU WOULD NEED A LOT! gH, insulin and anadrol..... There is HUGE difference between arnold and Gunther.... Comparing arnold to gunther is like comparing

little 9 year old girl to a bear!!! YOU CAN'T achieve a pro status with little drugs. Noone is so geneticly blessed (other than Flex Wheeler... and even he couldnt handle it).

1 gram per week to maintain size??? Pahh!! 2-6 is more likely....
Guys like Dennis James, Markus use atleast 5 or so....

ddggbbb.................

 

[Grizzly]

Re: Re: My reason for this thread

To go from Arnolds (230 pounds of steroid muscle) to gunters 299 pounds of muscle... YOU WOULD NEED A LOT! gH, insulin and anadrol..... There is HUGE difference between arnold and Gunther.... Comparing arnold to gunther is like comparing

little 9 year old girl to a bear!!! YOU CAN'T achieve a pro status with little drugs. Noone is so geneticly blessed (other than Flex Wheeler... and even he couldnt handle it).

1 gram per week to maintain size??? Pahh!! 2-6 is more likely....
Guys like Dennis James, Markus use atleast 5 or so....

ddggbbb.................

Well, I'll just keep hoping that I can pull it off with not too much drug use. I like to dream big.

But, will you explain to me why they need to take so much to avoid shrinking? I don't get it. What makes them need a maintenance dose?

 

[TheGame2001]

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Think my back proves deadlifts do work.....

about top npc guy, I think if you stood a top npc guy next to coleman or cutler you would be shocked at the difference.....

just my opinoin...

 

[gymtime]

Just my .02 here, but it seems to me that the human tree stumps you see on any professional bodybuilding stage are the result of genetics AND high-volume steroid use. One without the other will not get anyone that kind of size.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Re: My reason for this thread

Well, I'll just keep hoping that I can pull it off with not too much drug use. I like to dream big.

But, will you explain to me why they need to take so much to avoid shrinking? I don't get it. What makes them need a maintenance dose?

Ok... Lets start with the basics.
FIRST CYCLE - Great GAINS....
Second cycle - Lesser gains....
10th (or so) - Tiny gains even though u use 10x (not a typo) of steroids

...(insert random large number)..... 20x roids JUST to maintain the size. I am not even talking about gaining....


Fist 20 or so pounds of steroid muscle is easy to get. THEN your body starts getting used to steroids, so you need to more and more steroids....

It is like E=MC2 equation. It is easy to go at slow speeds, but when you arrive near the light speed- then you need almost inifinite amount of energy to continue....


Eventually you WOULD need like 5 grams of test, constant insulin/gH injections to gain EXTRA 5 pounds of muscle... Scary, huh?

And to maintain you would need A LOT, since you are WAYYY above what your body either capable off or it desires....

Brutal size needs brutal amount of gear. YOU MAY NEED up to 6 grams of strong testerone to look like a good pro bodybuilder, and remember - your natural test levels fall so you can't get off roids and keep all your gains... (there are ways to do that, but not for competition).

Remember, muscle growth / steroid use IS NOT linear relationship!

After basic gains you REALLY need to inject and swallow for even slightest change!


Think about flex wheeler. He had some SERIOUS health probs off steroids. He has the best genetics ever and even he was a majjor roider. He couldnt compete in 2001 Mr O naturally without roids... ANd guess what, he couldnt get 215 pound phisique without roids! His genetics are the best, but only with lots of roids....

You are in a wrong time buddy! If these were the 70s, sure you could go with little amount of roids.... and get a Frankie Zane kind of phisique. But today the standarts are much higher! SO is the drug use.... Remember Arnie used to take d-bol in huge quantities!!!! And he was so light! While his cycles weren't....

 

[DanielBishop]

I don't know much about pros or steroids, but I know in (I think) 1999 a guy called Kiyoshi Moody won the World Natural Championships or something like that.... in which all competitors have to pass a polygraph test beforehand, which proves that they have NEVER taken any steroids in their life.

I thought he looked pretty good, but he wasn't very big.