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Pros and their purpoted drug use

Grizzly

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Pros and their purported drug use

He's a question for you people. It's really been bugging me. In one sentence somebody will claim that the pros use huge amounts of drugs and that's why they look like they do. Yet, in the next sentence they claim it's the pros genetics that do the trick. Now, my question is this: Isn't it quite possible that the pros don't use that many drugs because of their genetics? Here's my theory: For a "normal" guy he must use 12 kits of GH and 5 grams of test and 300mgs/day of Anadrol a week to come anywhere near a pro. Now, the pros, admittedly, have superior growth genetics. Then, why is it assumed that they use huge amounts? Couldn't they grow very well with medium amounts of drugs due to their genetic pre-dispositions? Why is it that everyone is so quick to attribute their success to drugs?
 
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here i will explain it for you.......... genetics is a word that people use instead of drugs.

you see

they use a lot of drugs is the same as

they have GREAT genetics,.


ha ha

i dont belive what anybody says unless they are a pro...... i suggest you do the same....... if you have never talked to a pro about drug use....... then do as i do....... assume that they are natural and train hard to beat them

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they ran a story in ironman last year with a top pro that would talk if they agreed not to use his name. he talked of the amazing amounts of roids they use and how many will be dying soon because of it. he agreed to talk because he wanted the madness to be so freaky big to be stopped somehow. oh yeah, they use tons and tons of roids. anyone that says its their genetics, well thats laughable. Look at someone that wins a top notch natural show that polygraphs the contestants, thats good genetics. nobody has genetics to be as big as coleman or cutler without tons of gear.
 
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TheGame2001 said:
they ran a story in ironman last year with a top pro that would talk if they agreed not to use his name. he talked of the amazing amounts of roids they use and how many will be dying soon because of it. he agreed to talk because he wanted the madness to be so freaky big to be stopped somehow. oh yeah, they use tons and tons of roids. anyone that says its their genetics, well thats laughable. Look at someone that wins a top notch natural show that polygraphs the contestants, thats good genetics. nobody has genetics to be as big as coleman or cutler without tons of gear.

Trust this guy, he is fuken huge!! Did you see his back pic? How did you ever get a back like that dude? Please post up your back routine, a lot of us would appreciate it!!
 
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TheGame2001 said:
they ran a story in ironman last year with a top pro that would talk if they agreed not to use his name. he talked of the amazing amounts of roids they use and how many will be dying soon because of it. he agreed to talk because he wanted the madness to be so freaky big to be stopped somehow. oh yeah, they use tons and tons of roids. anyone that says its their genetics, well thats laughable. Look at someone that wins a top notch natural show that polygraphs the contestants, thats good genetics. nobody has genetics to be as big as coleman or cutler without tons of gear.

See, now I can't believe that. Number one, assuming that they do use tons of drugs, then why would they admit it? How many times have you heard "Oh, I'd be as big as so and so if used steroids too."? I don't think anyone, especially a pro, wants to have his accomplishments diminished in people's eyes by "admitting" to using shitloads of gear. Secondly, if this guy is a top pro, then why would he want the "madness to be so freaky big" to be stopped? He obviously wants to be freaky big if he's a top pro. Thirdly, even the "natural" guys juice. They just know how to clean out in time. Polygraphs are beatable. I've seen several threads on here from guys who were going to compete in tested shows who wanted to know how to beat the testing. Think of Skip LaCour. There's not a chance in hell that he's natural. Oh yeah, I will agree with you that no one can be as big as Coleman with out gear, but do you really thing that it has to be "tons of gear?"

Also, my friend claims to have heard from someone who knows Flex Wheeler that he was spending 70k a year on drugs. That's freaking impossible! I know GH is expensive and all, but 70k! There's only a handful of pros who make enough money to afford that kind of habit and even that would probably cut into their food money and housing and whatnot. Personally, I think claiming the pros use ungodly amounts is somewhat of a copout for people who don't have the ability.
 
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Bro the top pros all have sponsors that cover their gear. I don't believe 70k, well yeah I guess I almost could. And the pro that admitted to it in ironman would not let his name be used.

You really think those guys get that big on very little juice?

I know guys in our gym that stack 4,5,6 drugs at a time, come off 8 weeks, right back on and they never ever attain the size of those guys. So really really think about it.......

One of the shows I was in this past summer Craig Titus guest posed, he was at our hotel and came to our room after the show for drinks, we had huge party. He talked all about the crap he took, told us how he took insulin and how to use it(dangerous crap), not expensive but dangerous. Talked of huge amounts of GH, amazing what all he took.


Now on my back basically i've always deadlifted.
tbar rows
smith machine rows
close grip pulldowns

next back workout i'll use mainly cable moves and really squeeze and also do heavy deadlifts that day.

the back workout with t-bar rows I do deadlifts for reps.
 
My reason for this thread

Here's why I ask this question. Well, this and I don't like to see the pros constantly bashed as completely reliant on drugs. That's just an excuse.

Ok, I guess you could say that I have "great genetics." I've yet to juice, something that will be remedied in a few weeks(hopefully. boo on customs!) and I have 19" arms. Now, a typical first cycle can be expected to yield 20-30lbs. I've read somewhere that 10lbs of bodyweight is approximately equal to 1" on your arms, give or take. Now, in theory, at the end of my first cycle I will be damn near Arnold sized. To go from Arnold sized to the size of, say, Gunter Shlierkamp shouldn't take too much more. Therefore, theoretically, I could attain pro size and status with minimal amounts of drugs. Am I wrong? Is it just wishful thinking or what?

And, while I'm at it, would someone explain to me why you need to take a certain amount of juice to not shrink? I understand that it blocks cortisol and when you come off the cortisol goes crazy and shrinks your shit up, but why do some folks claim to need a gram of test per week at all times just to maintain size? I don't get that part.
 
natural

I've always trained natural brother. I'd hate to find out in 10 years that my kidneys are failing or some crap like that. Don't be suprised to hear soon that flex wheeler retired because of medical problems.

Guess it depends on what you want. More to life that bodybuilding for me, married with beautiful wife and stepchild. Bigger picture for me. But we all choose our paths. I'm not a roid expert but I see guys in our gym juice their butt off and they are not approaching gunter or any other pro....

Good luck in your decision. I harbor no ill will towards someone that does juice, heck my workout partner juices.
 
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TheGame2001 said:
Bro the top pros all have sponsors that cover their gear. I don't believe 70k, well yeah I guess I almost could. And the pro that admitted to it in ironman would not let his name be used.

You really think those guys get that big on very little juice?

I know guys in our gym that stack 4,5,6 drugs at a time, come off 8 weeks, right back on and they never ever attain the size of those guys. So really really think about it.......

Yeah, I don't believe the 70k either. I could see it being semi-possible just because of the GH, but with special chinese friends it seems almost impossible to use that much.

I want one of those sponsors! Of course, that's where I still see a problem. The difference between a dude who wins the nationals and a top ranking pro isn't that big. I don't know, maybe you'd disagree, but I don't see too much of a difference. Now, those high-ranking NPC fellows don't have sponsors(not most of them anyway) and yet they still have to be able to afford all of that crap. How can they do that if it's such an astronomical number? Let's face it, most, if not all, bodybuilders are not CEO of Dow Chemical. You know? Where do these other guys get the money?

Now, here's where I use that horrid word "genetics." I only call it horrid because I think a lot of people use it as a cop out. Anyway, I have to admit that it does play a certain roll. Now, perhaps these juice freaks in your gym just don't have the genetics to be pro sized, no matter how much juice they take. Maybe try an experiment. Let them pay for whatever cycle they are going to do and then you or someone else in the gym or a scientist or something foot the bill for 4,5 or 6 more kinds of drugs. Get them on what one would assume a pro's cycle looks like and then see if they become pro-sized. If it's just the drugs then those fellows would become pros right?
 
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TheGame2001 said:
I've always trained natural brother. I'd hate to find out in 10 years that my kidneys are failing or some crap like that. Don't be suprised to hear soon that flex wheeler retired because of medical problems.

Actually, I have heard that Flex retired because of medical problems. I will admit that it can have deleterious effects on your health, but look at the pros of yesteryear. Are any of them dead or dying of this or that kidney/liver/heart/blah blah blah disease? No. Arnold, Lou, Franco they're all still kicking. Hell, how about Vince Taylor and Robby Robinson. They've been juicing for the last 25 years and they're not dead. I think some people just get unlucky.
 
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