Propecia with Juice???

[1LeanMOFO]

What kind of juice is ok with propecia?
Is Deca the only juice that you should not mix with propecia?

Thank for the help, Lean

 

[ORGANON CANON]

As far as I know deca is the only roid that will acvtually accelerate hairloss when combined with it. If you are using it with test, or d-bol's or something your fine. What will your cycle look like?

 

[BONZ^]

Actually Propecia doesn't help if you're using Dbol or Anadrol.

 

[panerai]

I think Organon Canon meant that with anything else, besides Deca, Propecia(Finasteride) will not accelerate hair loss. It helps only with Testosteron.

 

[NORMA-MAN]

if you want to use finasteride bro, use proscar instead of propecia......saves you money...

 

[1LeanMOFO]

Thanks for the help. So what you are saying it is ok to take propecia with everything except the deca and it will help control the hair loss?

 

[BONZ^]

It will only help control the hairloss against test.

 

[Stew Meat]

Finasteride will accelerate hairloss if used with deca.

Finasteride will work to prevent hairloss by antagonising the 5-alphareductase enzyme (specificly 5AR II that is located in the scalp and the prostate) that converts testosterone and its derivitives to dihydrotestosterone. DHT is far worse on the scalp than testosterone but is more anabolic.

1mg per day can lower scalp DHT concentrations by 64%, however, 5mg doses per day only lower by 69% so dosses above 1mg per day are wasting money unless you just have it to spend. Overall DHT was reduced by 71% with 1mg and 72% with 5mg. DHT is more anabolic than testosterone so inhibiting testosterone's conversion to DHT will slightly inhibit gains.

Finasteride will work with dbol, EQ, methyltest, and halotestin as these are all testosterone analouges. However, 5AR has a very low affinity toward Dbol and EQ so finasteride probably won't have any signifigant influence.

Finasteride will have the opposite effect on nandralone analouges. Nandralone converts to DHN, dihydronandralone wich is much safer on the hair than nandralone. If you use finasteride with these, you will prevent them from becoming safe on the hair and in their original forms (nandralone) they are much harder on the hair than even DHT.
For these reasons, Finasteride will be counter productive with Deca, and Finaplex (trenbelone). These are the safest on the hair as long as you don't use Finasteride with them.

Finasteride will have no effect on Winstrol, Anavar, Anadrol, or Primobolan because they don't react with 5AR.

Nandralone and Tren are the safest on the hair as they convert to a harmless yet anabolic DHN. Primo and Anavar are the second mildest as they do not have much of an impact on androgenic activity within the scalp.




-Stew

 

[vinnie]

what about using it with test and eq? will this be ok? or will it not work?

 

[MadCow1]

Stew - that's one of the best posts I've read. Thanks for the info. I copied it to the Fina board also as I know there;s some interest there (I gave Elite board and Stew Meat the quotation).

 

[panerai]

It's a news for me, that Trenbolone converts to DHN.......and is it a fact??? I find hard to believe it. Anecdotal evidence suggest that Tren by itself is pretty harsh on hair, about the same as dbol or Test...

 

[badazzwhitedude]

It won't help with Anadrol, but it will help with D-bol. D-bol does actually convert to DHT. It is a deriative of methyltest.

 

[BONZ^]

I'm also surprized that Fina is easy on your hairline. I always thought otherwise.

 

[Stew Meat]

Nandralone and its analouges (trenbelone) are the safest on the hair. But even these can cause some hairloss.


-Stew

 

[Stew Meat]

I have the research refrences from medical journals, but I'd rather not take all the time typing it up as I can't just copy and paste it... but if you insist, I can.



-Stew

 

[panerai]

Just post the name of the journals, year and number of issue , title and names of authors, and I will look it up myself. Thank you!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

Six weeks ago I wouldn't have believed the tren thing either, but I'm on very high doses of tren right now and am having no problem with hairloss. I did experience some hairloss the last time I used it, but at the time I was using proscar and also high doses of winstrol. It was either some sort of tren/proscar interaction or the winny itself that caused the thinning.

BTW I'm using alot of saw palmetto and nizoral shampoo.

 

[Stew Meat]

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Finasteride: a review of its use in male pattern hairloss. Drugs 1999 Jan; 57;(1):111-26

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-Stew