Prop 19 in Cali is failing :(

[imafuturebodybuilder]

Man, I was so excited that weed would be legalized... ahh crap... I guess not, but this was just the first battle, i'm 90% sure in 2 years we're getting it passed and if not in 4 years 100%...


any thoughts?

What's your opinion on legalization of Marijuana?

 

[nimbus]

i don't think weed should be legalized until there's a way to test if someone is high. i think blazing while performing certain jobs puts other people at risk, so until there is a way to distinguish between whether someone smoked this morning or 2 days ago, it should just be banned all together.

right now the penalty for being caught with any amount of pot that would be reasonable for personal use is like a 50 dollar ticket, which is so lenient i don't think it's worth tripping about. Also it's so easy to get a cannabis card that anyone who really wants to smoke can do it anyway.

lastly, i think NO is the correct vote for all propositions because the majority of citizens are too ignorant to understand the issues that they are voting on. let the politicians handle that

 

[bakemeacookie]

Young people got owned by older peeps! The weed movement just got set back around 10-20 years until they can outvote older folks. Thank god I don't have to hear that stupid pro weed crap everywhere, maybe this'll shut them up.

Doubt it - they'll just go overturn the prop like those geighs did in the last election. Ignoring voters, it's all the rage!

c

 

[KillahBee]

My girl is from Cali and as a result, I've met a bunch of younger peeps that grew up there and still live there. And it's astonished me how many of them actually make their living off weed. Not like us East Coast regular street dealers, I'm talking harvesting and shit. Madness I tell you. They were all getting pumped for this vote. Half of em probably got too zooted and forgot to vote.

 

[75th]

Most dealers voted against it. Too much money to be made when its illegal.

 

[RottenWillow]

i don't think weed should be legalized until there's a way to test if someone is high. i think blazing while performing certain jobs puts other people at risk, so until there is a way to distinguish between whether someone smoked this morning or 2 days ago, it should just be banned all together.

Excellent point, Nimbo.

Doing anything that puts others at risk because of altered judgment and/or slowed reaction times is a criminal act. First there's got to be a test with acceptable reliability and validity values, and then there needs to be defined on that test a reasonable threshold of criminal impairment for LE to use.

 

[RottenWillow]

The larger issue IMO it that peeps who only blaze, and have never been even occasional users of shit like H, meth, X, etc, show little or none of the well known addict characteristics. They may not have their shit together, and may be underachieving slackers, but it aint b/c of weed.

I really wish these people didn't get court ordered into our NA group. Busted on weed possession, holds down a full time job, pays their mortgage, supports 2 children, active in their community softball team, attends church every Sunday, has plenty of savings, takes vacations with the family 2x a year, etc, etc. Yeah...they belong in our group.

Anyone fully invested in the world and showing no impairment of their achievement of any of their life goals because of their use of weed, does not belong in a group of people who's lives have disintegrated b/c of drugs. That actually disrupts the group process and wastes everyone's time. Even when they don't share you can just tell who's in denial and who really doesn't belong. It sucks for everyone in the room.

 

[jaimejame78]

As a business person who makes their living off of the distribution of weed (my husband and I own and operate a dispensary) I am amazed at how un-educated people are about marijuana. I see MANY college educated professional patients, most of them middle aged, on a daily basis who not only maintain their jobs and support a family but are also upstanding citizens of the community. Their is such a misconception of this movement and yes it it true that many of the "dealers" would vote against making marijuana legal. If legalized they would be forced to go legit and do it legally (by the states standards) or they would be put out of business and have to get a "regular" job. Let me ask you this, if you all are so worried about people getting high on the job and putting people at risk then why not demand testing for pharmaceutical drugs as well like oxycotin, methadone, percocet, benzo's just to name a few. To assume all who smoke, or ingest marijuana are unmotivated losers is ridiculous. I have seen more destruction from alcohol and prescribed drugs then I have ever seen from pot. I am very proud of what I do and very proud of my husband for his hard work in this industry. Everyday I see sick people that thank me and express their relief to be able to come into our center to get medicine and NOT have to buy it out of an asshole's backpack! How would you all preferred it be distributed. Centers, dealers, or in pill form from pharmaceutical companies (because the person working next to you could have gotten it that way too)?

 

[kx250rider]

Man, I was so excited that weed would be legalized... ahh crap... I guess not, but this was just the first battle, i'm 90% sure in 2 years we're getting it passed and if not in 4 years 100%...


any thoughts?

What's your opinion on legalization of Marijuana?

"ahh crap"... That pretty much sums up the whole CA results for me. More of Boxer and her precious little damn guppies in the Sacramento River = no water for the farmers in SoCal, and Gov. Brown (AGAIN!!!!!!), = great news for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants, and bad news for anyone with a job, or worse yet, anyone who runs a business. Prop 19 would have solved so many problems with gang turf, and would have freed up thousands of jail cells and allowed the police to go after rapists and molesters in stead of retired hippies smoking a joint. I've never smoked it myself, but I have nothing aganst it, and it smells better than tobacco any day.

Charles

 

[OMEGA]

Most dealers voted against it. Too much money to be made when its illegal.

DING DInG DING

alot of Mexicans in my area were unusually active on this, and I mean like all sects of them from Americanized to fresh from the mother land lol

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

As a business person who makes their living off of the distribution of weed (my husband and I own and operate a dispensary) I am amazed at how un-educated people are about marijuana. I see MANY college educated professional patients, most of them middle aged, on a daily basis who not only maintain their jobs and support a family but are also upstanding citizens of the community. Their is such a misconception of this movement and yes it it true that many of the "dealers" would vote against making marijuana legal. If legalized they would be forced to go legit and do it legally (by the states standards) or they would be put out of business and have to get a "regular" job. Let me ask you this, if you all are so worried about people getting high on the job and putting people at risk then why not demand testing for pharmaceutical drugs as well like oxycotin, methadone, percocet, benzo's just to name a few. To assume all who smoke, or ingest marijuana are unmotivated losers is ridiculous. I have seen more destruction from alcohol and prescribed drugs then I have ever seen from pot. I am very proud of what I do and very proud of my husband for his hard work in this industry. Everyday I see sick people that thank me and express their relief to be able to come into our center to get medicine and NOT have to buy it out of an asshole's backpack! How would you all preferred it be distributed. Centers, dealers, or in pill form from pharmaceutical companies (because the person working next to you could have gotten it that way too)?

100% with you! I might blaze once or twice a week, sometimes even 4 times on the weekend, but hey look at me, I attend U.C Davis, I work 40 hours a week, I have a good relationship with my parents, and with my lady, I even go to Church every Sunday. Yes I smoke weed... I hate this stereotype...

Last night I was driving this elderly woman home, I turn on the radio and came the news about the election, "prop 19 failed to pass" the she started blabbing about a conspiracy theory.. how the Govt. only tells you what you need to know, they dont tell you how many car accidents, deaths etc there's gonna be or how many people will start using other drugs.. I literally was about to kick her ass out of my car.. fucking ignorance!

What ever I'm not too disappointed about this i know in the near future we'll be smoking legally

 

[nimbus]

Let me ask you this, if you all are so worried about people getting high on the job and putting people at risk then why not demand testing for pharmaceutical drugs as well like oxycotin, methadone, percocet, benzo's just to name a few.

They do test for those. Ha, maybe you if you worked a real job you'd know that =P

I'm just kidding but lol @ how defensive you got

 

[bakemeacookie]

You do know weed dealers, dispenseries and farmers up in Humboldt country voted AGAINST legalization. Isn't that funny - farmers in the biggest weed county in the us are against legalization. Wonder why

c

 

[jaimejame78]

You do know weed dealers, dispenseries and farmers up in Humboldt country voted AGAINST legalization. Isn't that funny - farmers in the biggest weed county in the us are against legalization. Wonder why

c

They voted against it because they do not have the $ and know how to go into legitimate business (dispensary) and they make their living on the black market hence everything I wrote in my first post! Funny I have had surgeries in my life and went back to work while still taking pain meds but was never tested. By the way I worked a hospital too. Tell me what employer tests for prescription medication. Do they test for atavan, valums, xanax? Do you know how many people I know take these w/o a prescription and DRIVE to work everyday. Why not make the complaint in regard to them fucking up and hurting/killing someone?

 

[nimbus]

Tell me what employer tests for prescription medication. Do they test for atavan, valums, xanax?

I worked for two different engineering firms that drug tested me. And yes they test for benzodiazepines. Also it's illegal to use those drugs in a way other than prescribed - so our current rules for pot are consistent with this.

Do you know how many people I know take these w/o a prescription and DRIVE to work everyday. Why not make the complaint in regard to them fucking up and hurting/killing someone?

THAT'S ILLEGAL. so i guess people did make the complaint already

 

[nimbus]

You do know weed dealers, dispenseries and farmers up in Humboldt country voted AGAINST legalization. Isn't that funny - farmers in the biggest weed county in the us are against legalization. Wonder why

c

haha yep. i thought that was pretty funny

 

[ceo]

I'm with jaime and Charles on this one. Wanted to see that pass. Hopefully in a few years.

I also wanted to see Boxer and Brown lose. Fucking Californians.

 

[jaimejame78]

I worked for two different engineering firms that drug tested me. And yes they test for benzodiazepines. Also it's illegal to use those drugs in a way other than prescribed - so our current rules for pot are consistent with this.



THAT'S ILLEGAL. so i guess people did make the complaint already

So would you be fired if you used these drugs if prescribed by a physician?

 

[nimbus]

So would you be fired if you used these drugs if prescribed by a physician?

no

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

Well I'm tired of buying overpriced rat poison....

 

[cryptosporidium]

im with jaime on this as well. there are so many substances you can get intoxicated from.. does that mean we need a test for all of them? i got hit by an alcoholic who was drinking on his lunch break, driving the company car. people will do whatever they want, laws and tests dont stop them.

murder and theft are also illegal, im glad no one does that shit anymore.

 

[Lancer55]

"ahh crap"... That pretty much sums up the whole CA results for me. More of Boxer and her precious little damn guppies in the Sacramento River = no water for the farmers in SoCal, and Gov. Brown (AGAIN!!!!!!), = great news for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants, and bad news for anyone with a job, or worse yet, anyone who runs a business. Prop 19 would have solved so many problems with gang turf, and would have freed up thousands of jail cells and allowed the police to go after rapists and molesters in stead of retired hippies smoking a joint. I've never smoked it myself, but I have nothing aganst it, and it smells better than tobacco any day.

Charles

this for the most part ^^^ some of it smells bad, if you get hooka I think it smells better, after I got out the DEP 6 months into it after some surgeries I tried it twice and it is not that great I would rather drink a 6 pack and get a light buzz than smoke that and get sleepy.

 

[nimbus]

people will do whatever they want, laws and tests dont stop them.

murder and theft are also illegal, im glad no one does that shit anymore.

if you look at behavior from economics perspective, people will engage in the act that they think provides the most benefit. Sometimes this act is illegal. with testing and laws, the benefit of the crime decreases somewhat because you are adding risk of consequences. This loss of benefit is enough to make the crime not worth it for a lot of people who were close to the margin. for others though it is still worth it. so yea laws and tests don't stop crimes, but they reduce the frequency at which they occur

 

[ceo]

If that prop passed I was going to smoke one in it's honor.

 

[mrplunkey]

if you look at behavior from economics perspective, people will engage in the act that they think provides the most benefit. Sometimes this act is illegal. with testing and laws, the benefit of the crime decreases somewhat because you are adding risk of consequences. This loss of benefit is enough to make the crime not worth it for a lot of people who were close to the margin. for others though it is still worth it. so yea laws and tests don't stop crimes, but they reduce the frequency at which they occur

^^^ This

You're thinking like an economist!

 

[lander2312]

2 points. One is damn Nimbus you have some great debating skillz.....and 2 i am glad its failing because i believe it to be an introductory drug. I know, I know there will be 10 people on here that will say they smoke weed and thats it...and I can find 20 people that will tell you smoking weed was the start of a very bad downward spiral that either took control of their life till they hit rock bottom or how it ruined someone they loved life.

 

[-SD-]

2 points. One is damn Nimbus you have some great debating skillz.....and 2 i am glad its failing because i believe it to be an introductory drug. I know, I know there will be 10 people on here that will say they smoke weed and thats it...and I can find 20 people that will tell you smoking weed was the start of a very bad downward spiral that either took control of their life till they hit rock bottom or how it ruined someone they loved life.

Doper alert

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

If that prop passed I was going to smoke one in it's honor.

hahaha, you can still smoke one
we wont tell

 

[jaimejame78]

no

Every single one of our patients have a prescription from their physician for medical marijuana. So how it this any different?

 

[calveless wonder]

Every single one of our patients have a prescription from their physician for medical marijuana. So how it this any different?

i wish florida had medical marijuana

i have migraines so could get that script in a second

 

[jaimejame78]

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Funny I should read THIS today! Looks like there is some new introductory drugs now a days, huh?!

 

[binö]

i don't think weed should be legalized until there's a way to test if someone is high. i think blazing while performing certain jobs puts other people at risk, so until there is a way to distinguish between whether someone smoked this morning or 2 days ago, it should just be banned all together.

right now the penalty for being caught with any amount of pot that would be reasonable for personal use is like a 50 dollar ticket, which is so lenient i don't think it's worth tripping about. Also it's so easy to get a cannabis card that anyone who really wants to smoke can do it anyway.

lastly, i think NO is the correct vote for all propositions because the majority of citizens are too ignorant to understand the issues that they are voting on. let the politicians handle that

you are wrong.
untill jan 1st, in CA, possession of weed is a misd.
arnold signed a bill that decrim'ed it down to a civil infraction.
but it has always been a misd in CA.
unless you got your 215 of course.

 

[nimbus]

you are wrong.
untill jan 1st, in CA, possession of weed is a misd.
arnold signed a bill that decrim'ed it down to a civil infraction.
but it has always been a misd in CA.
unless you got your 215 of course.

interesting. you're right. people always told me it was what i said. ive never heard of anyone in davis getting arrested for pot, but i guess you can

i guess i have to stop giving RG crap now

 

[jackangel]

You do know weed dealers, dispenseries and farmers up in Humboldt country voted AGAINST legalization. Isn't that funny - farmers in the biggest weed county in the us are against legalization. Wonder why

c

reading comprehension: 0

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[bakemeacookie]

reading comprehension: 0

blahblahblahblah: 1,293,392

seriously - how many times am I supposed to keep embarassing you on these boards? Aren't you getting tired of getting owned?

You must have major low self-esteem in life.

Outlaw Pot Farmers in Calif. Fear Legalization

If California legalizes marijuana, they say, it will drive down the price of their crop and damage not just their livelihoods but the entire economy along the state's rugged northern coast.

cannabisnews.com: Outlaw Pot Farmers in Calif. Fear Legalization

c

 

[nimbus]

i'll second what RG says, i personally know growers in humboldt who want it to stay illegal

 

[binö]

reading comprehension: 0

blahblahblahblah: 1,293,392

unlike both RG or nimbus i live right next to humboldt county
(still love those good bros thou)...and RG is right.
the tweed growers have been cakin so long they don't want to give up the tax free loot...plus the price is more favorable to them when weed is kept illegal.
big bizz up this way, and people want to keep it like that

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

unlike both RG or nimbus i live right next to humboldt county
(still love those good bros thou)...and RG is right.
the tweed growers have been cakin so long they don't want to give up the tax free loot...plus the price is more favorable to them when weed is kept illegal.
big bizz up this way, and people want to keep it like that

Not for long, not for long.

 

[calveless wonder]

send me some medical tweeds cali brahs

 

[jackangel]

seriously - how many times am I supposed to keep embarassing you on these boards? Aren't you getting tired of getting owned?

You must have major low self-esteem in life.

Outlaw Pot Farmers in Calif. Fear Legalization



cannabisnews.com: Outlaw Pot Farmers in Calif. Fear Legalization

c

holy shit, your stupidity continues.

you (and some others) are too dumb to realize that i was referring to the fact that someone else already made this point on the thread, you didn't see it, and said the same thing over...thus, adding nothing. as usual.

does this still count as one of the many times that you've owned me, lord TMZ?

 

[jaybois]

i'll second what RG says, i personally know growers in humboldt who want it to stay illegal

All the growers I know want it to stay illegal! I myself saw right away where this was going and made all the right moves to position myself in this new industry. The bottom line is most of these growers are dirty little hillbilly's with no business savvy and no ability to change or adapt to a legitimate business model.

 

[ceo]

I think I should look to get into this "growing" industry!

 

[nimbus]

unlike both RG or nimbus i live right next to humboldt county
(still love those good bros thou)...and RG is right.
the tweed growers have been cakin so long they don't want to give up the tax free loot...plus the price is more favorable to them when weed is kept illegal.
big bizz up this way, and people want to keep it like that

lol @ calling us out just to agree with us

 

[Lambruh]

I thinks there's big gap between a functioning smoker (work, recreation, medication) and a burned out stoner

Having bad ADHD and anxiety weed always helped calm my racing thoughts, it literally helped me think clearer like how amphetamines somewhat do to.

There's no question though it has effect on your short term memory

 

[binö]

lol @ calling us out just to agree with us

not calling you out, nor disagreeing.
i just think i'm a better person to speak on the area since
i live here, and i doubt you or RG have ever even passed thru.
so my ego says my opinion is more valid, and i was trying to
highlight that

 

[bakemeacookie]

holy shit, your stupidity continues.

you (and some others) are too dumb to realize that i was referring to the fact that someone else already made this point on the thread, you didn't see it, and said the same thing over...thus, adding nothing. as usual.

does this still count as one of the many times that you've owned me, lord TMZ?

Nice backtrack dumbass. You always say some insult, run off, get owned, then change your story ("you said the same thing, waah!!").

Get back to work bitch. Lunchtimes over. Earn your $40k+10 days vacation and let us adults talk.

c

 

[javaguru]

I would like to add the FYI, for roughly the first 140 years of this country's existence anyone was allowed to put as much of any drug they wanted into their body as long as they didn't directly harm another person; That includes cocaine and opium(heroin)....the country not only survived but moved from mere colony to became a great economic power.

 

[nimbus]

not calling you out, nor disagreeing.
i just think i'm a better person to speak on the area since
i live here, and i doubt you or RG have ever even passed thru.
so my ego says my opinion is more valid, and i was trying to
highlight that

i'm friends with a ton of kids who go to humboldt state because there's a chapter of my fraternity there. so yea i've been to arcata and i also know growers there because my roommates used to buy en masse and sell to the clubs. so my ego says suck ittttt

 

[mrplunkey]

I would like to add the FYI, for roughly the first 140 years of this country's existence anyone was allowed to put as much of any drug they wanted into their body as long as they didn't directly harm another person; That includes cocaine and opium(heroin)....the country not only survived but moved from mere colony to became a great economic power.

But we didn't have the massive safety net where some people have to pay for other people's stuff either. I'd be all for drugs if we stripped that part out.

 

[ortiz34]

Was it all natural pot?

 

[mrplunkey]

Was it all natural pot?

All-natural pot smoke driven by a 400% efficient turbine-powered bong would have passed with flying colors.

Who could possibly be against that?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I would like to add the FYI, for roughly the first 140 years of this country's existence anyone was allowed to put as much of any drug they wanted into their body as long as they didn't directly harm another person; That includes cocaine and opium(heroin)....the country not only survived but moved from mere colony to became a great economic power.

Everything was also a lot more simple back then though too. People for the most part were "on the same page" so to speak. Now we'd be lucky if people were even in the same damn book.

And for the record, while JA was being a smartass, RG did seem to ignore the fact that his point was essentially brought up already by 75th and OMEGA in posts #5 & 10 respectively.

 

[binö]

i'm friends with a ton of kids who go to humboldt state because there's a chapter of my fraternity there. so yea i've been to arcata and i also know growers there because my roommates used to buy en masse and sell to the clubs. so my ego says suck ittttt

too many hippies in arcata for my liking.
north of arcata on the coast is where i go on the weekends

 

[javaguru]

Everything was also a lot more simple back then though too. People for the most part were "on the same page" so to speak. Now we'd be lucky if people were even in the same damn book.

And for the record, while JA was being a smartass, RG did seem to ignore the fact that his point was essentially brought up already by 75th and OMEGA in posts #5 & 10 respectively.

Exactly how was it "more simple?" How do you define being "on the same page." We went through a civil war....that's about as "not on the same page" as I can imagine.

 

[-SD-]

People used to have duels to the death, saloon shootouts at the drop of a hat, public executions, mafia wars, indian exterminations

Well i guess it was simple, just kill first ask questions later.

 

[javaguru]

People used to have duels to the death, saloon shootouts at the drop of a hat, public executions, mafia wars, indian exterminations

Well i guess it was simple, just kill first ask questions later.

Pretty much myths....

Yes, minorities were enslaved, abused and killed but it wasn't because of drugs....as a matter of fact racism was used as a reason to ban drugs at the beginning of the 20th century. Weed was being used by blacks to seduce white women....opium was associated with Chinese immigrants...etc..


There is one recorded high noon style shootout in the old west...much like today you shoot your enemy in the back was the norm and that was rare because social norms are self supporting. You are less prone to commit crimes and be more polite in general when everyone is armed; It's the same reason you don't go into a job interview and tell everyone to go fuck themselves...

 

[redshirt27se]

i wish florida had medical marijuana

i have migraines so could get that script in a second

we have medicinal marijuana here and you gotta be seriously fucked up to get a script. basically the complete opposite of california. if you told a dr here you had migraines and asked for pot he'd probably laugh at you.

 

[imafuturebodybuilder]

we have medicinal marijuana here and you gotta be seriously fucked up to get a script. basically the complete opposite of california. if you told a dr here you had migraines and asked for pot he'd probably laugh at you.

lol... in Cali you go to a doctor, you pay them $80-100, they fill out the papers properly and viola, now you can go get cheap good quality weed!!! in less than 24 hours.. so I think its just stupid to keep it illegal...


Although my professor was a bit upset and said even if they pass its still against the federal law, which would mean the growers would be getting arrested and signing the tax sheet would be like confessing to the crime..


Also our president is black call me racist but i'm sure he smokes a few

 

[-SD-]

Pretty much myths....

Yes, minorities were enslaved, abused and killed but it wasn't because of drugs....as a matter of fact racism was used as a reason to ban drugs at the beginning of the 20th century. Weed was being used by blacks to seduce white women....opium was associated with Chinese immigrants...etc..


There is one recorded high noon style shootout in the old west...much like today you shoot your enemy in the back was the norm and that was rare because social norms are self supporting. You are less prone to commit crimes and be more polite in general when everyone is armed; It's the same reason you don't go into a job interview and tell everyone to go fuck themselves...

We're on the same page bor, I was illustrating how the olden days werent any different than now with all the violence/killing etc. And yet drugs were all legal and the world didnt end.

 

[javaguru]

We're on the same page bor, I was illustrating how the olden days werent any different than now with all the violence/killing etc. And yet drugs were all legal and the world didnt end.

Sorry, went right over my head....lol.