Prison Rape- A Real Problem

[Mandinka2]

Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

And what if a rapist or child molester were to be raped in prison.
I understand they are less than popular with their colorful history.

Would that not be slightly ironic?


Would you still feel sorry for them?


If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.



Think of it this way - if a criminal gets raped in prison and actually gets out - perhaps he/she would be less likely to find their way back in.


Consider it motivation.



Then again, it's fine just not to agree.

How about prostitutes ? They are de facto criminals so they deserve no sympathy? Interesting logic here. You seem to be approaching this from the "All men are rapists angle". I also think a serious distinction exists between rape and aggravated sexual assault , the latter being far more clear cut and not merely a matter of opinion or choice.

 

[gtrcivic]

Agree that in maximum security prisons that an inmate can be in his cell for 23 hrs/day. But you still have an hour outside of your cell for showering, eating in the mess hall, and going to the rec yard. These are opportune times for rapes to occur.. Its not like you need a few hours , but a few minutes ??

Pretty sure if you ask inmates that are doing a long sentence, that they have one time or another been raped or attempted to be raped by another inmate....

 

[IhateOsama]

Not true! I was in prison and I was only gangbanged once.

 

[velvett]

How about prostitutes ? They are de facto criminals so they deserve no sympathy? Interesting logic here. You seem to be approaching this from the "All men are rapists angle". I also think a serious distinction exists between rape and aggravated sexual assault , the latter being far more clear cut and not merely a matter of opinion or choice.

Never said that, you're twisting the meaning of what I said.

I don't believe prostitutes to long periods of jail time, so I have no opinion as to that concept.

I am saying that I don't personally have any sympathy for criminals, period. I honest don't have any feeling towards the news of their rape, injury or murder. I am not judging right or wrong of the matter - I am stating that I don't care.

What I also stated previously is an observation of irony that men seem to get all bent out of shape and sympathetic when you hear about prision rape yet when on speaks of a woman getting raped many (not all) men like to say that the woman either asked for it, deserved it or in the case of Kobe are money hungery whores.

 

[Juice Authority]

Like I said I have no sympathy and again I did not say it was not rape what I am implying is that a criminal has less value in my eyes.

A criminal has less value in your eyes??? lol. What a crock of shit that is! Who made you judge, jury and executioner??? The only difference between you and a criminal is that the criminal got caught unless of course you've never broken the law.

Ever take a hit off a joint or drink under age?? Ever speed down the highway? Ever had anal sex? Sodomy is against the law too..

 

[velvett]

A criminal has less value in your eyes??? lol. What a crock of shit that is! Who made you judge, jury and executioner??? The only difference between you and a criminal is that the criminal got caught unless of course you've never broken the law.

Ever take a hit off a joint or drink under age?? Ever speed down the highway? Ever had anal sex? Sodomy is against the law too..

I don't need to be their judge - someone else has already made that judgment and placed them in jail.

Never smoked, never sold or purchased any recreational drug.

Speeding down the highway will not place me in jail unless there are other larger offenses on record.

Anal sex - no never - nor will I.

Underage sex - no I was 19 and a legal adult.

Sodomy? You've to be kidding, no.


I don't see how anyone would miss a murderer, child molester or rapist - in my opinion they are not deserving of life. (Again my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.)

The only people I truly feel for are those that are unjustly accused and condemned - that is a loss and fortunately that does not happen often.

 

[Mandinka2]

If a murderer or rapist gets killed or raped in prison I see no loss.

This is what I object to Velvett - it is not that u see lees value , it is that u see no value in their suffering. I merely pointed out that there are women who are criminals too and questioned - although you have yet to answer whether their rape has any value.

I don't believe prostitutes to long periods of jail time, so I have no opinion as to that concept.

I'm sorry, what does duration have to do with the matter , whether a criminal is in jail or otherwise does not alter the fact that the person is a criminal. And while we're at it , almost every steroid taker on this board is a criminal (although presumably we have some value ).

What I also stated previously is an observation of irony that men seem to get all bent out of shape and sympathetic when you hear about prision rape yet when on speaks of a woman getting raped many (not all) men like to say that the woman either asked for it, deserved it or in the case of Kobe are money hungery whores.

I really feel that is a gross exaggeration , many/most men are apalled by rape, but Im often left wondering the following:
Which is the greater crime and why:
1. To be beaten senseless by baseball bat wielding thugs and left in a state requiring hospitalisation involving drip-feeding.
2. To be raped by a spouse/lover because you were tired/not in the mood.

And therein lies the problem with rape - Tyson was convicted "on balance" , with no visible traces of an assault , its very much a case of one person's word versus another. I think many men are bothered by the level of power this gives women - essentially they hold a legal sword above men , many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity. That is why I feel that aggrevated sexual assault ought to be the cause celebre of feminists and not rape.

 

[velvett]

A friend of mine is a corrections officer as is her husband and the reality is less than 5% in men's facilities and less than 1% in women's facilities.

At her prison - women's facility in Danbury CT there had been one incident in the past 7 years.

 

[Juice Authority]

I don't need to be their judge - someone else has already made that judgment and placed them in jail.

Never smoked, never sold or purchased any recreational drug.

Speeding down the highway will not place me in jail unless there are other larger offenses on record.

Anal sex - no never - nor will I.

Underage sex - no I was 19 and a legal adult.

Sodomy? You've to be kidding, no.


I don't see how anyone would miss a murderer, child molester or rapist - in my opinion they are not deserving of life. (Again my opinion doesn't make it right or wrong.)

The only people I truly feel for are those that are unjustly accused and condemned - that is a loss and fortunately that does not happen often.

You're taking rather extreme examples. You said,"A criminal has less value in your eyes." What the fuck is that supposed to mean exactly? A criminal is defined as one who breaks the law so by your statement you're saying that anyone who breaks the law has less value in your eyes. That is a rather arrogant, holier than Thou statement to make.

 

[velvett]

This is what I object to Velvett - it is not that u see lees value , it is that u see no value in their suffering. I merely pointed out that there are women who are criminals too and questioned - although you have yet to answer whether their rape has any value.


I'm sorry, what does duration have to do with the matter , whether a criminal is in jail or otherwise does not alter the fact that the person is a criminal. And while we're at it , almost every steroid taker on this board is a criminal (although presumably we have some value ).



I really feel that is a gross exaggeration , many/most men are apalled by rape, but Im often left wondering the following:
Which is the greater crime and why:
1. To be beaten senseless by baseball bat wielding thugs and left in a state requiring hospitalisation involving drip-feeding.
2. To be raped by a spouse/lover because you were tired/not in the mood.

And therein lies the problem with rape - Tyson was convicted "on balance" , with no visible traces of an assault , its very much a case of one person's word versus another. I think many men are bothered by the level of power this gives women - essentially they hold a legal sword above men , many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity. That is why I feel that aggrevated sexual assault ought to be the cause celebre of feminists and not rape.

It's not a man woman thing - I never stated that either - I stated criminals period (man or woman) - specifically rapist, murders and child molesters.

Duration does matter, how could one compare a night in jail and a 1, 5, 10 year - life sentence? You really can't can you?

I never said most men were not appalled by rape, I said many not all.

Regarding 1 or 2 - at first glance - I would say 1. If a spouse would force themselves upon another (man or woman - doesn't matter) I would find that most offensive. Yet, what would be mor offensive is the spouse that stays and accepts the abuse.

(What does any of this have to do with prision rape though???)

Tyson.


If you want to discuss the injustice towards men being wrongly acussed of rape - we'd need a different thread and I have to tell you - you would very surprise as to my views, they are not what you are suggesting.

many men have had their lives destroyed by mere ACCUSATIONS of rape , and when their cases were acquitted no recourse for compensation exists.It is a gross inequity

I feel for them - as I feel for women and men that have never spoken of being raped in fear of being judged.

So for those that remain silent and those that are wrongly accused there is some sort balance in the numbers with those numbers.

Again though that is a totally different thread.