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phil369 said:
Nobody likes taxes lets face it. But look around you, all the freedoms you posess right now, are because your tax dollars and your fellow bro's tax dollars are supporting our military,police,fire agencies. Your tax dollars keep this nation safe, I frankly dont mind paying mine since I know the agencies listed above will have all the right equipment necessary to do their job.
That's not all our tax dollars are paying for:
*$16 billion in foreign aid (don't we need some economic aid of our own?).
*$5 billion in food stamps to ineligible applicants because of inaccurate income-eligibility verification systems.
*Over $5 billion a year spent on errors and fraud in the Earned Income Tax Credit program, including $3.6 billion last year in over-claims, and $400 million to people who had not applied but "seemed entitled" (maybe they'll think I "seem entitled" this year).
*$2.2 billion lost from Medicare and Medicaid programs for the elderly, poor and disabled because of fraudulent home-care providers (MEDICAID: the DEATH of medicine in America).
*$45 million to Zimbabwe to improve education (we should look at the major shortfalls of our own education system. In California (thanks to Gray Davis' administration (4 more miserable years), we are faced with major cutbacks in our education system...how about funneling some of that $45mil. here?).
*3.8 million for a "Poultry Center of Excellence" (at least our CHICKENS will be intelligent - maybe they'll finally be able to answer your "chicken vs. egg" question Zyg.)
--I could go on with these, but I'll move along.
Info provided by the Congressional office of US Rep. Joel Hefley.

phil369 said:
You do have a say in your govt you can talk to any congressman on the phone or by letter...
By phone??? Good Luck!
By letter...much better according to Washingtonian Magazine survey of 219 top congressional staffers, when asked what factors, besides a Member's own political philosophy, most influenced decisions by Members of Congress. They were:
1. Constituent Opinion
2. Other Office Mail
3. White House Opinion
4. Party Leaders
5. Press Back Home
6. Lobbies
7. National Media
Maybe you'd prefer to email them? The Congressional Management Foundation recently conducted a study that revealed that House and Senate offices received about 80 million email messages last year alone and that they are overwhelmed by the massive volume and ill-equipped to deal with it.

phil369 said:
If you dont like him dont vote for him...but if he gets elected again by the people...than the majority of the state thinks he 's competent.
Suuuure...not necessarily. Most people don't follow political matters that closely, and are easily swayed by media...and just plain lazy in that area.

phil369 said:
(CEO) to say the Revolutionary War was started over a 3% tax hike is a severe oversimplification and just a symptom of a much larger issue. Remember the Quote " Why should a country the size of an island rule a nation as large as a continent."-(Thomas Paine) would be a more fair argument.
And here I thought it was something about "no taxation without representation." This, along with more troops and interference to enforce the new tax laws, was a main cause of the revolution.
 
phil369 said:
You say our govt. has strayed from the original ideals of the founding fathers please expand upon with examples.
James Madison said, "We've staked America's future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all our heart."
*Yet our gov't has thrown the Ten Commandments out of schools.

The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." BUT...
*A verbal prayer offered in school is unconstitutional, even if that prayer is both voluntary and denominationally neutral. Engel v. Vitale, 1962; Abington v. Schempp, 1963; Commissioner of Education v. School Committee of Leyden, 1971.
*If a student prays over his lunch, it is unconstitutional for him to pray aloud. Reed v. Van Hoven, 1965.
*It is unconstitutional for a war memorial to be erected in the shape of a cross. Lowe v. City of Eugene, 1969.
*Even though the wording may be constitutionally acceptable, a bill becomes unconstitutional if the legislator who introduced the bill had a religious activity in his mind when it was authored. Wallace v. Jaffree, 1985.
*It is unconstitutional for school officials to be publicly praised or recognized in an open community meeting if that meeting is sponsored by a religious group. Jane Doe v. Santa Fe Independent School District, 1995.

Should I continue? I could move to other areas. Let's just say that's enough "examples.":)
 
phil369 said:
"OUR FOUNDING FATHERS" organization of capitalism and democracy.
Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin said, "A REPUBLIC [not a democracy], if you can keep it."
Not only have we failed to keep it, most don't even know what it is. A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). Even though nearly every politician, teacher, journalist and citizen believes that our Founders created a democracy, it is absolutely not true. The Founders knew full well the differences between a Republic and a Democracy and they repeatedly and emphatically said that they had founded a republic.

Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "guarantees to every state in this union a Republican form of government".... Conversely, the word Democracy is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies with these words,

"Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths...",

"We may define a republic to be ... a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from an inconsiderable proportion or a favored class of it; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles, exercising their oppressions by a delegation of their powers, might aspire to the rank of republicans and claim for their government the honorable title of republic." James Madison, Federalist No. 10, (1787)

"A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority. There is but little virtue in the action of masses of men." Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
 
phil369 said:
"OUR FOUNDING FATHERS" organization of capitalism and democracy.
…furthermore…
Our military training manuals used to contain the correct definitions of Democracy and Republic. The following comes from Training Manual No. 2000-25 published by the War Department, November 30, 1928.
DEMOCRACY:
* A government of the masses.
* Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
* Results in mobocracy.
* Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.
* Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
* Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

REPUBLIC:
* Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
* Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
* A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
* Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
* Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
* Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.

The manuals containing these definitions were ordered destroyed without explanation about the same time that President Franklin D. Roosevelt made private ownership of our lawful money (US Minted Gold Coins) illegal. Shortly after the people turned in their $20 gold coins, the price was increased from $20 per ounce to $35 per ounce. Almost overnight F.D.R., the most popular president this century (elected 4 times) looted almost half of this nation's wealth, while convincing the people that it was for their own good. Many of F.D.R.'s policies were suggested by his right hand man, Harry Hopkins, who said,

"Tax and Tax, Spend and Spend, Elect and Elect, because the people are too damn dumb to know the difference".
 
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Great info Ceo, at least im not alone in thinking our government has severely gone astray.
 
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That was excellent reading, thanks. If I had you for my high school history teacher I may have actually paid attention in class. ;)
 
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Zyglamail said:
Great info Ceo, at least im not alone in thinking our government has severely gone astray.

Our government is seriously fucked. The only problem is that the majority of people don't even know the basics of what is going on. They don't care because they are too wrapped up in seeing if J-lo and Ben are going to tie the knot!... or some other useless human beings personal lives.

I think their should be a competency test to be allowed to vote and I also think that all of these fucked government spending programs should be voted on by the people. (As long as you have passed the exam to vote).

No taxation without representation! Right now, we are being royally fucked in the ass and no one seems to care.
 
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