Police beating in Irvine CA

[TheProject]

my point is this, I wouldn't make much light of what happened prior to the punch in the face, but the punch itself was too much. He was pressed up against the car, his face was pressed up against the car, and he got punched in the chops.

They could have maced him IMO.

From what I've been told, physical restraint is preferred over pepper spray because there's less paperwork.

 

[RyanH]

From what I've been told, physical restraint is preferred over pepper spray because there's less paperwork.

there's a good reason.

 

[the nature boy]

From what I've been told, physical restraint is preferred over pepper spray because there's less paperwork.

heh, now there's gonna be a shit load of paperwork.

 

[manny78]

From what I've been told, physical restraint is preferred over pepper spray because there's less paperwork.

Pepper can't be used at anytime for any reasons. First if the person seems to be on drugs you can't. Same thing with teenagers. The Taser would have been the perfect in this situation assuming they had one.

 

[Lao Tzu]

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/video...urce2.html?clip=/media/2002/07/09/video514539



why exactly would the police need to body slam someone into a car when he didn't appear to be fighting back, or punch him in the head.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

well, now that I've watched the video...

.....about 16 times...lol I fell that I can make a half-judgement... if you watch the video closely, you'll see that the officer that slammed him into the hood of the car, and the officer that punched him are the same cop. Now, upon closer inspection of the video, you'll see a 3-inch long cut above said officer's left ear. Also, on the news report, it says there is the possibility of the existence of more video, possibly from the gas station's cameras or even other people that took pictures. First of all, Inglewood Police did NOT make the traffic stop, LA CO. Sheriffs did. They (county sheriffs) called for backup when the youth allegedly became combative and attempted to strike a deputy. Obviously, there WAS in fact a struggle, because that Inglewood officer probably did not get that cut on his head by magic. Now, back to the Question at hand, was that ONE officer's behavior excessive??? I must say yes and no. Here's why......

1. I do NOT think slamming him on the hood was excessive, if he had just cracked me in the head, and I was bleeding, I probably would've "put him against the car" kind of hard too.... However, the punch in the face, after the fact WAS, IMO, excessive. He was clearly handcuffed, against the car, and you can see another officer holding him back.

2. Now, the punch in the face CAN and probably WILL in court be attributed to the adrenaline and possible rage the officer was feeling in the wake of having his head cut open. Of course, the suspect's lawyer will retort to that with the fact that cops are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Bottom line, odds are, when all is said and done, we'll find out that this kid DID in fact, fight with the police, and if that is the case, IMO, he got less than what should come to him. HOWEVER, my opinion isn't what matters here, it is the law that matters, and sometimes JUSTICE and the LAW are two COMPLETELY different things.....

 

[RyanH]

Re: well, now that I've watched the video...

.....about 16 times...lol I fell that I can make a half-judgement... if you watch the video closely, you'll see that the officer that slammed him into the hood of the car, and the officer that punched him are the same cop. Now, upon closer inspection of the video, you'll see a 3-inch long cut above said officer's left ear. Also, on the news report, it says there is the possibility of the existence of more video, possibly from the gas station's cameras or even other people that took pictures. First of all, Inglewood Police did NOT make the traffic stop, LA CO. Sheriffs did. They (county sheriffs) called for backup when the youth allegedly became combative and attempted to strike a deputy. Obviously, there WAS in fact a struggle, because that Inglewood officer probably did not get that cut on his head by magic. Now, back to the Question at hand, was that ONE officer's behavior excessive??? I must say yes and no. Here's why......

1. I do NOT think slamming him on the hood was excessive, if he had just cracked me in the head, and I was bleeding, I probably would've "put him against the car" kind of hard too.... However, the punch in the face, after the fact WAS, IMO, excessive. He was clearly handcuffed, against the car, and you can see another officer holding him back.

2. Now, the punch in the face CAN and probably WILL in court be attributed to the adrenaline and possible rage the officer was feeling in the wake of having his head cut open. Of course, the suspect's lawyer will retort to that with the fact that cops are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

Bottom line, odds are, when all is said and done, we'll find out that this kid DID in fact, fight with the police, and if that is the case, IMO, he got less than what should come to him. HOWEVER, my opinion isn't what matters here, it is the law that matters, and sometimes JUSTICE and the LAW are two COMPLETELY different things.....

I don't believe cops ought to be held to a higher standard. They should simply be held to the standard as any citizen is held to when defending him/herself. That standard is "reasonable force", and punching a suspect after putting him into handcuffs is unreasonable.

 

[TheProject]

Pepper can't be used at anytime for any reasons. First if the person seems to be on drugs you can't. Same thing with teenagers. The Taser would have been the perfect in this situation assuming they had one.

Oh, I know that. But even in cases where it could be used, a lot of times it's not for no other reason than paperwork.

The actually did a survey of the local officers here, and one of my buddies seriously suggested tasers.

 

[Natymike]

I'm all against the racial factor involved, but that WAS excessive and totally uncessary. The dude was practically limp, he picks him up and slams him, then slugs him in the face.

The cop should be punished, but the thought of hearing all those pathetic civil rights activists is making me wanna puke.

If the dude was white, this would of never made the news, and thats what is upsetting.

 

[FLASHMAN1]

Re: Re: well, now that I've watched the video...

I don't believe cops ought to be held to a higher standard. They should simply be held to the standard as any citizen is held to when defending him/herself. That standard is "reasonable force", and punching a suspect after putting him into handcuffs is unreasonable.

From that standpoint, I agree w/you. The only thing that we (the general public) have to understand, is that police officers are still human, and one incident like this does not necessarily make this guy a bad cop. He obviously got hit pretty hard himself from the looks of the cut on his own head, and because of that he lost his cool. For this, he deserves a suspension, but he certianly doesn't (IMO) deserve to be fired...

Of course we also have to take into consideration the fact that the boy and his father are oppurtunists, and they're going to embellish this story as much as they feel is necessary to make this kid look completely innocent and the police were just randomly, for no reason, giving him a beating.