Please Read Before You Start Your Diet

[Tatyana]

Exactly what I was trying to get at.

I love seeing more ideas, more approaches, more information. The more information you have, the better off you are. BUT .....

You can post all the pics in the world - but that does not make your approach THE ONLY ONE. It is ONE out of many possibles. You obviously have worked very hard to get to where you are - congrats on that. You have good information, but chill on the way it is delivered. You are coming across as a self-perceived "know it all". All the degrees in the world don't make a bit of difference.

LOL, I am quite fanatical about people being healthy and fit!!!

 

[Sassy69]

Its critically important for people to understand the basics of nutrition, apply it to themselves and find out what works for themselves.

I'm a case study that says 2-3000 cals will NOT cut me up.

 

[Miss24k]

not my approach hun, just basic physiology. I didn't make any of this stuff up, I found it!!

However, all the studies have shown that people that go on calorie restrictive diets that end up 'rebounding' and gaining more weight

Don't kill the messenger

And others have found their ways also and they work for them.

Hey sweetie I'm not trying to kill the messenger, it's all in how she's delivering the package!

 

[scorpiogirl]

Thing do need to be adjusted for different body types. I am fortunate enough to have almost a 'pure' mesomorph body type, which means I can basically eat whatever I want whenever I want as long as the quality of the food is good, meaning no hydrogenated fats, nothing deep fried, no processed foods.

I am also a mesomorph, and can gain and lose quickly. Just mentioning the body type thing alone should be proof enough that what works for a meso, won't work for an endo (hard for them to lose & keep it off). An ecto needs MORE calories than either an endo or meso to gain (usually the "hardgainer").

Stress, diet, genetics, activity level etc., etc., etc. all play an important roll nomatter what body type you are. They definitely do not all see the same result with the same diet and training schedule.

 

[Tatyana]

Yep, pretty much T- you say you can eat all you want and build muscle. I've experimented w/ several different diets under different trainers and stuff I play w/ myself - conclusion: I can build crazy muscle, if I eat 2-3000 cals I can lift like crazy, but I get "thick". I cut on 17-1800 cals. That's it. Anymore I can't drop bodyfat, any less, I get light-headed, start to lose muscle mass and generally starve.

Its probably a good guess that say 85% of the people (women I'm thinking of right now, but I'd venture that its pretty high for the guys too - they may know how to train & cycle, but they dont' know squat about nutrition) come to EF w/ a goal of "losing weight and toning up", they are armed w/ the myths & crap that society & the media pound into our heads about how you have to follow some canned program to even consider losing weight and girls aren't supposed to have any shape in their arms and if they do anything besides lift pink weights & do cardio, they will turn into Hulkette.

But as we learn things from various places, I think the cross section of all that each of us brings to the boards is very close to what T is posting as methodology & guidelines, and then we have to try what works for each of us in our lives, our lifestyles & our own bodychemistry.

Hey Sassy,

just have to say, I am so jealous you have been to ARNie's show, and probably Olympia, and ????? I swop and chop between physique and figure, depending on natural/gear show, so stay quite lean all year round for pics. Only second season, want pro card in WNBF, and think I may do well in WABBA as well.

 

[Tatyana]

Hey ladies,

Sorry to rub you up the wrong way, if you are on this forum regularily, it is like preaching to the converted (or is that preaching to the perverted? I have looked at some of your pics, lol). Looking good ladies!!!

It wasn't really meant for you, it was meant for all the women that come in and have a peek!! Just check out how many hits this site gets!!!!

Oh, yah gotta love that 'rugged individualism' that pervades the US "everyone is different", yes, and we are also all the same at the same time! Connected but distinct!

THis is not 'my' stuff, it is, as far as science is able to 'prove' so far, this is the basic biology of weight loss.

Ok, so for you regular lot, I will also add a few bits. Ok, low calorie diets will work. ANd people can lose loads of weight on them. For awhile. And then our bodies get used to the diet. Physiologists call this the 'law of adaptation'. Our bodies are EXTREMELY GOOD at learning how to function on whatever amount of calories that they are given. Humans would not have survived our pre-history without this ability.

Problem with this is that while fat is initially 'burned off', it is almost easier for our body to cannabalise other tissues, such as muscle, and even internal organs. All twenty essential amino acid, 'slot' back into the Kreb's cycle, as well as go through the process of gluconeogenesis in the liver, to produce glucose for the brain.

Muscle is basically responsible for how fast your metabolism is. (SAID like ARNie) "the muscle is hungry!", LoL. Low calorie diet, initial weight loss from fat, body adapts to calories, weight loss from muscle, metabolism slows down, have to eat fewer and fewer calories to lose weight, brain needs sugar to function, canabalises the muscle, metabolism slows down........ its a vicious cycle.

Haven't you ever broken your diet over the weekend or for a holiday, and after months and months of 'being good', you completely blow it out!! Going back to the scales and expecting them to be off the scales, you find to your surprise, that you have actually lost weight!! YOur body has realised that it isn't starving, this isn't a time of depletion, but surplus, no need to hang on to as much as possible.

I did know that this would be met with resistance, it is almost like going from the world is flat (and of course everyone KNEW that that was how it was), to the world is round. I am sure new practices will be refined and replace this one, that is the nature of science. AS far as physiologists are concerned, this is basically how it works, your body adapts to the low calories.

So, if you still want to stick to the low cal thing, mix it up a little, throw in a few cheat meals and confuse your metabolism, and do it quite often, so you don't get to that point where you find yourself inhaling an entire box of cookies or tub of ice cream, or both!!!

There is more to weight loss, there is the frequency of meals, the quality of the food, macronutrient ratios, carbohydrate and calorie cycling, body type (genetics) and of course, exercise. Don't get me started on excessive long cardio, LoL, the body adapts to that too!!!

Really like the "all the degrees in the world don't make a bit of difference comment" as well!!! Wow, I really did piss you off!!!! Sorry hun, SMiles

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[Tatyana]

And others have found their ways also and they work for them.

Hey sweetie I'm not trying to kill the messenger, it's all in how she's delivering the package!

Hun, so many women have been so brainwashed by things like the 1000 cal diet you have to hit it hard!!! I know that 'shock' tactics don't work with everyone, and that 'it is not what you are saying but how you say it'.

I am passionate (overly so?, thanks for the constructive criticism) as I believe there is a bigger issue at hand. As long as women are focused on how bad they feel about their bodies (as so many do) and using diets almost as a way of punishing themselves, they are not going to be effective in the world. IMO we need more strong women to get out there and make a difference. Who else is going to do it? The guys? THey have been running the show so far, and bless their cotton socks....with all their best intentions, have made a bit of a mess of things all on their own. We have to step up and take our place by their side! Get a bit of balance back.

In the WEstern world we have the luxury of being able to go on bloody diets!!!! We are also in the position that we can have a huge impact, make a difference. Heal the body, heal the emotions, heal the mind, get out there and help to heal someone else.

THat's my agenda, maybe I should have started with my manifesto.

Again, sorry to get you going hun

Respect

 

[Sassy69]

I think you came across as something like this new, when some of us have been giving the same basic common sense advice for nearly 5 yrs on literally a daily basis - it will never end but the good news is that we make converts left & right along the way!

It isn't enough to just tell people how many cals they need, its more about educating them as to what goes into those cals and fueling the body to get the results you are looking for. That's the whole purpose of the "Are you new to the EF Ladies' Board - START HERE" sticky. It isn't rocket science, but the media has skewed the basics of nutrition so far from center that the best a person could do is collect a few basic guidelines, kill their belief in the myths and let them educate themselves and always seek answers to more questions, even if they are the same ones we see every day. Its just one more person converted to the "truth"!

 

[caligirl]

I think you came across as something like this new, when some of us have been giving the same basic common sense advice for nearly 5 yrs on literally a daily basis - it will never end but the good news is that we make converts left & right along the way!

It isn't enough to just tell people how many cals they need, its more about educating them as to what goes into those cals and fueling the body to get the results you are looking for. That's the whole purpose of the "Are you new to the EF Ladies' Board - START HERE" sticky. It isn't rocket science, but the media has skewed the basics of nutrition so far from center that the best a person could do is collect a few basic guidelines, kill their belief in the myths and let them educate themselves and always seek answers to more questions, even if they are the same ones we see every day. Its just one more person converted to the "truth"!

Amen!
Cant tell you how many clients I have had to reprogram.... it's a conspiracy... pharmaceutical companies want us sick, the goverment wants us stupid, scared & vulnerable, who tf made the food pyramid?????? Media, advertising,Jenny Craig wants us fat so do diet food manufacturers, 24 hr fitness, Ballys, Billy Blanks........ Curves...... fitness is a 40 billion a year industry! fat= $$$$$$
they don't want you to know the truth........