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truckdaddy
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Hey guys, picked up a pound of this stuff. Im putting a table spoon in with my regular Utlra peptide shake.....anyone used this stuff before.
plasma bovine protien.....your thoughts
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truckdaddy
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yeah.....i just wanted to try it. 35 bucks for a pound of it.
kicks ass--just mix it w/some other whey to make it last a bit longer unless price is not an issue.
i mix it with goat's whey and i think it is the best mix i have ever used--ever
i mix it with goat's whey and i think it is the best mix i have ever used--ever
truckdaddy
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yeah, im just adding the tbl spoon(14gs?) Not a bad tatse, whats so good about it though?
truckdaddy said:
here is a good article--the short answer is a whole lot--
Immunity and Resistance Training
The Role of Bioactive Proteins derived from Spray Dried Bovine Plasma (SDBP)
Billy Carpenter, MS, RD
One of the most misunderstood and often ignored components of a successful weight-training program is the maintenance of a healthy immune system. The immune system is a complex cellular response organization composed of an intricate, multifaceted order of barriers (skin), bodily fluids, mucous membranes, and hormones. This complicated system allows the body to basically differentiate “self” from “non-self.
The most notable and important of the immune system barriers is the 400 square feet of the gastrointestinal tract (GI tract) which contains as much as two pounds of normal bacteria and more than 70 percent of the body’s immune cells. Our body acts to defend itself from the foreign matter (bacteria, viruses and other environmental toxins also referred to as immunogens or antigens) that enter our body by releasing classes of compounds called antibodies. “Antibodies” is a collective term for specific immune proteins called immunoglobulins. The immunoglobulins located in the GI tract (IgA) act as the primary defense mechanism against toxic invasion by attaching immunoglobulins located there to invading antigens, thus neutralizing the pathogenic materials before they can exert their site-specific activity in the body.
It is very important for fitness minded individuals to understand that the immune system is naturally suppressed by bouts of regular intense exercise. However, aging, illness, travel, pharmaceutical interventions (including anabolic agents), inadequate nutritional intake (especially protein), dieting, and other lifestyle stressors as well as individual genetic predispositions can also have profound effects upon immunocompetence. During these periods of abnormal stress the body releases increased amounts inflammatory cytokines (IL-1, IL-6, and TNF-a) which breakdown muscle tissue to help fuel the increased energy demands that drive the immune process. Adding insult to injury, the GI tract actually releases decreased amounts of immunoglobulins, as they are diverted to other areas of the body.
One of the most common complications which many bodybuilders unknowingly suffer from is perturbation of normal GI tract function. When GI tract function is compromised, an increased permeability to pathogens is noted allowing foreign materials to more easily pass into the body. This substantially increases the risk of infection. For athletes, this can not only lead to reduced adaptive responses (muscle anabolism) to training, but can also make the body more susceptible to fatigue, illness, and ultimately catabolism of preexisting lean body mass stores. Coupled with this is the fact that when the GI tract is weakened, ingested macronutrients are not as readily absorbed and assimilated into the body. This is especially true for dietary and supplementary protein.
One of the most common complications experienced in individuals who engage in regular high-intensity is an increase likelihood of developing upper respiratory tract infections. Studies in the scientific literature have demonstrated that once this process initiates, any continuation of physical exertion may actually worsen the disease state - thereby compounding the problem and leading to the possibility of even more severe illnesses. A recent study involving military personnel engaged in three weeks of combat training demonstrated that strenuous and prolonged exercise significantly decreased the amount of the hormones (DHEA, prolactin, testosterone) and immunoglobulins, while at the same time increased the catabolic cytokine interleukin-6. This clearly reflects the interrelationship between immune system function and anabolic hormone synthesis.
Various dietary supplements have been investigated and used by athletes to help bolster immune function such as vitamin C, vitamin E, zinc, glutamine, and Echinacea. While all of these compounds do have essential value in maintaining overall health and nutritional status, none have been shown to offer consistent benefits in improving overall immune system function. Glutamine has been studied extensively in this regard since it has been determined to be a vital amino acid used to support some of the cells of the immune system. However, even though plasma levels of glutamine have been shown to decrease after bouts of exercise, intracellular concentrations more or less remain stable. Furthermore, even in glutamine feeding studies, supplementation with this amino acid has not been shown to offset exercise-induced immune suppression.
Spray dried bovine serum plasma (SDBP) is a new product to the nutritional supplement industry. A by-product of the cattle industry, it contains greater than 85% protein. However, unlike regular ingested dietary protein which is broken down into its constituent amino acids for use in the body, emerging research has shown that a significant amount (15-25%) of the proteins found in (SDBP) resist the digestive process. These proteins are actually transported intact to the lower G.I. (intestines) where they exert vital specific activities. Collectively these are named “bioactive proteins”.
The bioactive protein composition of SDBP is greater than 50 percent immunoglobulins (IgA, IgG and IgM). Additionally, SDBP contains significant amounts of the anabolic growth factor IGF-1 and the immunoregulatory cytokine TNF-ß. Interestingly, SDBP is very similar in composition to bovine colostrum, the milk-like substance produced in the first 36 – 72 hours after calving. In fact, you could consider serum plasma protein to be the precursor to colostrum. The big difference though is SDBP contains much higher concentrations and a more consistent composition of the vital bioactive proteins then those found in colostrum products. And, since it is a non-dairy product, SDBP is free of lactose.
Of the immunoglobulin proteins found in SDBP, greater than forty-five percent is IgG. IgG is the most abundant immunoglobulin found in plasma and works to defend against pathogens in the body. IgG also is shuttled from the blood to the intestinal mucosal surface where it supports the functions of IgA in immune response and gut integrity. Supplemental intake of IgG has been shown to increase the transport of dietary amino acids leading to increases in lean body mass. Additionally, by improving appetite and decreasing protein catabolism, supplemental IgG improves the growth rate of immunocompromised animals. Finally, the anabolic growth factor IGF-1 and the cytokine TNF-ß found in SDBP act to not only help reduce the immune response to strenuous activity, but also aid in the transport of amino acids into muscle cells aiding in the restructuring the architecture of muscle cells post-exercise.
Obviously, the addition of bioactive proteins derived from SDBP to ones diet makes logical sense for decreasing the adverse physiological reactions brought about by stress and strenuous physical activity. But that is not all - SDBP can also aid in the efficient use of ingested macronutrient (especially protein) to drive the anabolic process of building new muscle mass. GF-Pro by Ergopharm is the first commercially available whey protein supplement to contain physiological efficacious doses of SDBP in conjunction with a high quality protein isolate. This combination will not only increase the nutritional efficiency of the product itself, but will also help optimize the absorption of all ingested macronutrients.
In summary, the addition of SDBP and its’ constituent bioactive proteins to ones diet and exercise program have been shown to exert several different and important biological effects upon oral ingestion including:
1) Increasing the ability to fight infection and decreasing the inflammatory response of pathogenic infection
2) Increasing the ability to resist the immunosuppressive and catabolic effects of overtraining and other environmental stressors
3) Increasing alimentary levels of IGF-1 and TGF-beta1 thus aiding in intestinal integrity and intestinal absorptive ability of nutrients – especially protein
4) Increasing appetite as well as the efficiency of ingested protein towards lean body mass accretion
bluejay said:Wow this sounds like a godsend to Crohn's patients!!!!!
I gotta try this!!!
my bro-in-law has ibs bad, and he got me hooked on it--swears by it. that and low dose test---calms it right down
truckdaddy
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how many grams ed should one consume?
truckdaddy said:
i am about 225
i do about 2 servings a day (about 100 grams) mixed with about another 100 grams of goats whey--which is divided into 5 or six shakes throughout the day ..depends on how crazy my day is. i also do it to gross-out my paralegal (a vegan) hehehehehe
truckdaddy
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wow.....i dont know if i could afford to take 225 of the bovine.
eddymerckx said:i do about 2 servings a day (about 100 grams) mixed with about another 100 grams of goats whey--which is divided into 5 or six shakes throught the day ..depends on how crazy my day is. i also do it to gross-out my paralegal (a vegan) hehehehehe
Do you buy the straight Super Plasma Protein? Or do you get it as part of a formula like Big Blast?
(The pure Super Plasma Protien lists 1 serving as being only 1 Tsp/5g)
instant.muscle
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wow this stuff sounds great, where did u get it? they carry it at gnc? couple questions what brand did u get and how much protein is in 1 tbspn? thankstruckdaddy said:
bluejay said:
i do the big blast i know that 3 scoops (1 serving) is -i think 46 g of protein and add a one serving of the super plasma protein which is like 5, so 102 grams come from this mix and another about 100 from the goats whey. I coul not afford to use more that a fe doses a day fo the SPP and i am not sure my digestive tract would be too happy because a lot of the metabol of spp in the the small intestine.
instant.muscle
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howd u get 46 plus 5 to equal 102?eddymerckx said:
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truckdaddy said:
Where do you get it for 35 bucks?
truckdaddy
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i got pure bovine from protien factory....
BIG BLAST is the most economical source, and incidentally, the only protein powder that contains it. The combination of whey isolate, whole egg, P12 creatine NO2, digestive enyzmes and hydrolyzed rice syrup all add up to the ultimate mass drink. If you can afford the straight stuff, go for it, but on an ongoing basis (which is how any food source needs to be taken) that'll start to take its toll, whereas the BIG BLAST is pretty reasonable. (Maybe a buck or two a pound more than other commercial brands. And it tastes good.
truckdaddy
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i tjink it would just be cheaper to get the pure stuff and add 10-15 grams to every shake......5gs is not much.
iceman7 said:
It depends on so many things, but if you're gonna bulk -- BULK. You MUST take in extra calories. How lean you remain depends on why clean you eat and how much you train. BIG BLAST would be a good addition to any growth stage.
Nelson have you heard any personal feedback from people with bowel disease (like Crohn's, IBS or Colitis) and if they have noticed decreased symptoms from the plasma? Everything I am reading makes it seem like a no-brainer and that it will help significantly.
(note the info above listed by eddymerckx on page 1 of this thread)
(note the info above listed by eddymerckx on page 1 of this thread)
bluejay said:
Not personally but that was a big part of our studies. This was done before we even began of our investigation of the effect on muscle growth. It makes sense and the results look very promising.
truckdaddy
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anyone ever seen it cheaper than 35 a pound?
truckdaddy said:
Dude, BIG BLAST has 10% SBP. At 13 bucks a pound, how much are you really saving buying it separately, especially if you use creatine and omega 3's and all the other stuff that's included. It comes out to about the same either way.
I would be very curious though if you go through a stage where you were using 50 grams of pure SBP a day every day. That's a pricey experiment but the results would be interesting. The rest of your diet will still be a factor.
Two servings of BIG BLAST would add over 80 grams of protein of which 10% is SBP and the results from consistent use of that are pretty awesome.
truckdaddy
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i have been taking a table spoon with my shake 2-3 times a day. There is 14 grams in every table spoon.
eddymerckx said:
Does it make your farts smell like dead Warthogs rotting in the sun?
truckdaddy
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prpblem with the big blast is that is only has 5gs of the BPS.....that aint shit.
truckdaddy said:
BIG BLAST has 5 gms a serving. You just said you were adding a couple of tps of straight SBP 2-3 times a day for 14 grams. That's about the same thing.
I'd just go with the BIG BLAST, but still, I admire your commitment. Let us know how it works out. How's your diet? Are on on anything right now?
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Nelson Montana said:
a table spoon has 14grams.........a tea spoon had 5...so more like 30-40grams. Nah, not really, a little HGH for over all health, but nothing crazy, hitting 30 and im staying away from the real juice these days.
truckdaddy said:
30 is young and you can still grow but I would never dissuade anyone from trying to do it natty. Using some natty T boosters and anti e's along with the SBP and maybe some VIGOR would give phenomenal results in a guy your age if you train hard enough. Good luck bro.
i am partial to big blast b/c i tried it and did not have some of the issue i have w/everything else except goats whey. so i am sort-of do not want to spend money on something ? when i know big blast works
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