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A burning, kerosene, sprinkled with bits of broken glass kind of fart.
You are really tempted to just forcefully projectile-style rip it out... but if you do, the toilet water splashes up on you... leaving your whole bottom a lovely shade of brown.
At least I, umm.. heard this from a friend that said it happened to him.
You are really tempted to just forcefully projectile-style rip it out... but if you do, the toilet water splashes up on you... leaving your whole bottom a lovely shade of brown.
At least I, umm.. heard this from a friend that said it happened to him.
iHulk
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this thread just took a left turn into the shizzle can...AAP said:
But seriously, the diarrhea stories sound not worth it. Unless you are stepping on stage and big money is at stake. Otherwise, chillin at the beach with swamp ass, just to look ripped sounds like a shitty day (pun inteneded).
Are the users of PGCL in this thread sure the weight loss isn't caused by dehydration from all the shitting it stimulates?
Jacob Creutzfeldt said:
It may very well be. Which is why I suggested earlier that people taking Immodium or such for the diarrhea part are not seeing the max benefits.
Then again, there is that nice little side effect of pumped up swolen muscles for days. That alone is worth the use as a constant pump will help stretch the fascia and make the muscle easier to expand with weight training.
iHulk said:
They're the stuff of legends.
Something to really write home about.
Dear Ma,
Today I had two poops. The first one was ok, more like a preliminary warmup. But the second one was a real ass ripper. Half way through I was short of breath and seeing stars and white spots floating in front of my eyes. Sort of like that time I fell off the trampoline and hit my head.
Anyway, in other news....
AAP said:
Men like you made Sigmund Freud.
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Phaded
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i'm assuming everyone is using ips? i'm thinking of getting this and injecting into my love handles and biceps.. only thing about my biceps are they are completely covered with veins..
taureauchien
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georgie24 said:
been a couple replies to the sub q comment....go im.
same effects and it fills the muscle.
sub q only gives half the benefits.
taureauchien
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Wulfgar said:
oil based?
havent heard of that.
boy if i could get it all done in one trip to the shitter, that would be great!
pm'ing you for oil based source...even though it's legal.
taureauchien
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me neither, and i haven't received a reply from the pm i sent him...wondering if that was bullshit.
i think i found my personal proper dose for this shit.
i've been on the crapper everytime i shoot at this dose and it aint horrible.
just a minute of dropping whats closest to my ass.
and my arms stay swollen longer too.
and i'm finally getting those hunger cramps i read about.
eating like a pig (a lot cleaner now, but not totally) and still dropping weight/fat while maintaining my muscle.
i've done the past 2 amps without any aas, just to clean out before next cycle.
my strength is maintaining so far but i'm not gaining any mass (guess that makes sense if i'm dropping weight)
my opinion on this is it seems to be good at a quick weight drop by flushing the body of excess water and waste and seems to do good as far as a dieting enhancer.
as far as the wonder drug that will help you gain size and mass and strength....i'm gonna call the bullshit bluff onthat one.
but i am still liking this.
i figured if i can drop my body fat percentage to a nice low amount and then start back up with mah roids with the better knowledge i have of them now.
i think i may be able to do it right this time without looking like a water balloon. and keep a nice dry increase to my body over time instead of trying to rush it all at once.
but this pgcl stuff is good at what it does though, so no complaints.....except injecting both sides 3-4 times a day (6-8 shots a day)
i'm holier than a priest now!
i think i found my personal proper dose for this shit.
i've been on the crapper everytime i shoot at this dose and it aint horrible.
just a minute of dropping whats closest to my ass.
and my arms stay swollen longer too.
and i'm finally getting those hunger cramps i read about.
eating like a pig (a lot cleaner now, but not totally) and still dropping weight/fat while maintaining my muscle.
i've done the past 2 amps without any aas, just to clean out before next cycle.
my strength is maintaining so far but i'm not gaining any mass (guess that makes sense if i'm dropping weight)
my opinion on this is it seems to be good at a quick weight drop by flushing the body of excess water and waste and seems to do good as far as a dieting enhancer.
as far as the wonder drug that will help you gain size and mass and strength....i'm gonna call the bullshit bluff onthat one.
but i am still liking this.
i figured if i can drop my body fat percentage to a nice low amount and then start back up with mah roids with the better knowledge i have of them now.
i think i may be able to do it right this time without looking like a water balloon. and keep a nice dry increase to my body over time instead of trying to rush it all at once.
but this pgcl stuff is good at what it does though, so no complaints.....except injecting both sides 3-4 times a day (6-8 shots a day)
i'm holier than a priest now!
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taureauchien said:
96 posts in 2 years you are a cop
taureauchien
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Phaded said:
i am?!? well then i need to ask for a raise because i'm getting shit duty.
besides pgcl is legal aaaaaaaaaand i've done enough cycles to:
a) get fired from law enforcement
b) not be in law enforcement
c) laugh at that stupid assumption
i'll go with (d) all the above.
oh and if i am a cop and i just claimed to not be one, make sure you copy/paste this so if i take you to court you can claim entrapment.
i did apply once as a jail guard a few years ago....does that count?
i didnt get hired because i sold pot before (oops better not claim that either)
what does how many times i post have to do with my legal status anyways?
ah fuck it ...either way...." i am not a cop " (quote/unquote)
that was funny though
I have not had the opportunity (read : time frame) to make a good long run with this. I did once and then the last time was only for 3 consecutive days.
I did lose 4 pounds on those 3 days and it was really tightening me up. Pretty much akin to what Halo and Var do to me, but my biceps were pumped from the time I woke up until I went to bed. Which was very distracting when jerking off because I couldn't keep watching my porn without looking down at my arm and going "WOW".
Now one thing must be noted, when I say I hardened up on it, I don't want people with 10%+ bodyfat thinking they are going to see the same results in 3 days. But you use it to get down in the lower bodyfat range and THEN you will see the vascularity and hardening.
I did lose 4 pounds on those 3 days and it was really tightening me up. Pretty much akin to what Halo and Var do to me, but my biceps were pumped from the time I woke up until I went to bed. Which was very distracting when jerking off because I couldn't keep watching my porn without looking down at my arm and going "WOW".
Now one thing must be noted, when I say I hardened up on it, I don't want people with 10%+ bodyfat thinking they are going to see the same results in 3 days. But you use it to get down in the lower bodyfat range and THEN you will see the vascularity and hardening.
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wanted to post a post i found on another forum about result with pgcl that i thought was amazing..
"Hey Papa - I actually started somewhere aroung 13 to 15% by on May 1st. I think this stuff will work for anyone!!
Alittle more than 5 weeks out I just weighed in at 215# and measured outat 5.6% bf. Yesterday I did chest and benched 365# for 4 sets of 8. Mystrength is defrinitely staying up. The bench was my 3rd exercise sothe 365 wasn't done fresh."
"Hey Papa - I actually started somewhere aroung 13 to 15% by on May 1st. I think this stuff will work for anyone!!
Alittle more than 5 weeks out I just weighed in at 215# and measured outat 5.6% bf. Yesterday I did chest and benched 365# for 4 sets of 8. Mystrength is defrinitely staying up. The bench was my 3rd exercise sothe 365 wasn't done fresh."
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taureauchien said:i am?!? well then i need to ask for a raise because i'm getting shit duty.
besides pgcl is legal aaaaaaaaaand i've done enough cycles to:
a) get fired from law enforcement
b) not be in law enforcement
c) laugh at that stupid assumption
i'll go with (d) all the above.
oh and if i am a cop and i just claimed to not be one, make sure you copy/paste this so if i take you to court you can claim entrapment.
i did apply once as a jail guard a few years ago....does that count?
i didnt get hired because i sold pot before (oops better not claim that either)
what does how many times i post have to do with my legal status anyways?
ah fuck it ...either way...." i am not a cop " (quote/unquote)
that was funny though
lol it was a joke homey.. love you
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TA63 said:
doesn't htat end up being rather expensive how long you planning on using it for?
taureauchien
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a question i have on this stuff...
i understand that within just a few days it's like being on 6 months of hgh.
(thats what is advertised anyway)
soooooo....would that give us hgh gut that much quicker?
or do you get that effect on pgcl.
anyways just under 3 weeks....lost 10 pounds, eating normal.
people are noticing too.
i've gotten a few comments that i dont look so bloated anymore.
what i'm liking so far is i'm losing all this fat/water/shit but am maintaining my muscle.
plus i havent worked out in a week because i threw out my shoulder playing with my dog.....er my police k-9 unit
so i should be able to give a report about maintaining strength after taking a couple week break of working out.
i understand that within just a few days it's like being on 6 months of hgh.
(thats what is advertised anyway)
soooooo....would that give us hgh gut that much quicker?
or do you get that effect on pgcl.
anyways just under 3 weeks....lost 10 pounds, eating normal.
people are noticing too.
i've gotten a few comments that i dont look so bloated anymore.
what i'm liking so far is i'm losing all this fat/water/shit but am maintaining my muscle.
plus i havent worked out in a week because i threw out my shoulder playing with my dog.....er my police k-9 unit
so i should be able to give a report about maintaining strength after taking a couple week break of working out.
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how do you do bicep injects if your bicep is completely convered with veins.. i may have like a quarter inch spot to inject in my bicep..
taureauchien
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i decided to try sub-q for a while and it has been a week now.
i tried it once before for a few days but wasnt impressed.
but i changed things around some this time.
before i was splitting the shot between love handles, this time i
have been putting one whole injection on one side, and later the next one goes to the other side, and then later that day the last one goes right above
the belly button.
i dont know how much weight i've actually lost, but i can tell a huuuuuuuuge
difference in my mid section.
even if the weight hasnt gone down....it is quite noticeable that the body fat has.
i now have a 4 pack, with some definition starting to show on the outskirts of the abdomine, and my love handles have dropped tremendously.
a 4 pack may not sound like much on a steroid/body builder forum, but i had a nice fat round belly a month ago.
i have muscle underneath, because i am required to do abdominal exercise when i can to support my back injury.
but i would say that if i had 25% body fat before...i wouldnt doubt it's at 15% now.
i havent looked this thin since my twenties.
now granted i've noticed a small strength loss, not much but some.
so i think i am going to restart my anavar/proviron cycle again at low dose
to keep muscle state anabolic.
point made....i'm fucking happy today.
going to the gym tonight and will find weight update.
other cool thing is, i bought 20 amps of this stuff and i've only used 5.
and i'm guessing i'm down about 12 pounds (was 10 last week)
thought about comboing this with some dnp (low dose) to see if the fat would become non existant....except i'm scared of dnp.
who knows, i've got time and plenty pgcl left.
i tried it once before for a few days but wasnt impressed.
but i changed things around some this time.
before i was splitting the shot between love handles, this time i
have been putting one whole injection on one side, and later the next one goes to the other side, and then later that day the last one goes right above
the belly button.
i dont know how much weight i've actually lost, but i can tell a huuuuuuuuge
difference in my mid section.
even if the weight hasnt gone down....it is quite noticeable that the body fat has.
i now have a 4 pack, with some definition starting to show on the outskirts of the abdomine, and my love handles have dropped tremendously.
a 4 pack may not sound like much on a steroid/body builder forum, but i had a nice fat round belly a month ago.
i have muscle underneath, because i am required to do abdominal exercise when i can to support my back injury.
but i would say that if i had 25% body fat before...i wouldnt doubt it's at 15% now.
i havent looked this thin since my twenties.
now granted i've noticed a small strength loss, not much but some.
so i think i am going to restart my anavar/proviron cycle again at low dose
to keep muscle state anabolic.
point made....i'm fucking happy today.
going to the gym tonight and will find weight update.
other cool thing is, i bought 20 amps of this stuff and i've only used 5.
and i'm guessing i'm down about 12 pounds (was 10 last week)
thought about comboing this with some dnp (low dose) to see if the fat would become non existant....except i'm scared of dnp.
who knows, i've got time and plenty pgcl left.
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Phaded
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i'm thinking about cycling this shit between my love handles and biceps.. you all are using slin pins to inject right?
taureauchien
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yup. 1/2 inch insulin needle right into fat areas.
i try not to pay attention to it but once a week, if you do that you can see the difference a week makes.
if you look daily infront of the mirror, you wont think anything is happening.
i used the same size insulin needle injecting im into bi's, tri's, shoulders.
lot less pain this way and it still goes deep enough to get the pump.
i'm by far anything from being an expert on this shit, i'm only stating what i'm doing and so far what is working for me.
you gotta try different shit to find what is gonna be right for you
i try not to pay attention to it but once a week, if you do that you can see the difference a week makes.
if you look daily infront of the mirror, you wont think anything is happening.
i used the same size insulin needle injecting im into bi's, tri's, shoulders.
lot less pain this way and it still goes deep enough to get the pump.
i'm by far anything from being an expert on this shit, i'm only stating what i'm doing and so far what is working for me.
you gotta try different shit to find what is gonna be right for you
taureauchien
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actually i've gotten to where i can control them.
if i'm near a shitter, i'll go.
but if not, i can hold it til i get to one.
if i cant get to one it passess within an hour anyway.
but yeah the extra shitting is starting to burn.
it's all good though, rather have it all out of me anyway.
if i'm near a shitter, i'll go.
but if not, i can hold it til i get to one.
if i cant get to one it passess within an hour anyway.
but yeah the extra shitting is starting to burn.
it's all good though, rather have it all out of me anyway.
Cauliflower Ear
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dude, this shit sounds like the new shit for asthetics
taureauchien
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well.... 1 month update.
lost 12 pounds, gained 2 back this week.
but i used a different scale, ate crap food for the past 2 days in job training school, and havent shit in 2 days either (even while on this).
so i'm sure i'll drop 2 pounds real quick once i get back to my routine.
anyways 10 definate pounds in one month is still really good.
i started back up on my cycle as i said i was gonna do, because maybe its just me but i looked ......well.... thin.
also like i lost some muscle definition in areas, so i'm wondering if not being anabolic and having the body go through this ,if it is sucking away some muscle as well.
i'm upping the ante a lil' bit too, i'm gonna add tren to my anavar/proviron cycle as well as some low dose winny and igf/mgf (had a bit left over)
this should keep up my strength and cut me up. (as well as cleaning back up my diet.....i ate pizza, WTF!)
my goal is 15 more pounds to lose then slowly start adding it back under very strict diet/cardio/workouts/cycles....but that is still a bit a way.
gotta drop the last 15 first.
oh and i leaned over the sink to brush my teeth and saw all 6 abs!
kind of stoked about that one! havent seen that in almost 17 years.
lost 12 pounds, gained 2 back this week.
but i used a different scale, ate crap food for the past 2 days in job training school, and havent shit in 2 days either (even while on this).
so i'm sure i'll drop 2 pounds real quick once i get back to my routine.
anyways 10 definate pounds in one month is still really good.
i started back up on my cycle as i said i was gonna do, because maybe its just me but i looked ......well.... thin.
also like i lost some muscle definition in areas, so i'm wondering if not being anabolic and having the body go through this ,if it is sucking away some muscle as well.
i'm upping the ante a lil' bit too, i'm gonna add tren to my anavar/proviron cycle as well as some low dose winny and igf/mgf (had a bit left over)
this should keep up my strength and cut me up. (as well as cleaning back up my diet.....i ate pizza, WTF!)
my goal is 15 more pounds to lose then slowly start adding it back under very strict diet/cardio/workouts/cycles....but that is still a bit a way.
gotta drop the last 15 first.
oh and i leaned over the sink to brush my teeth and saw all 6 abs!
kind of stoked about that one! havent seen that in almost 17 years.
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before and after pics possibly taur?
taureauchien
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sure i can do that....not that there will be anything
special on it.
i'm not really a body builder or anything, just have done a few cycles to get some muscle on my scrawny ass and did it wrong, ended up fat.
went from 172 to 196 , now back to 186 (as of yesterday) hit 184 last week.
now that i found this place and seen what i did wrong, i'm just trying to lose as much fat as i can and basically start over.
i had a pot belly at 172, so i'm hoping to touch 170 .....maybe 165 (might be to low) and slowly work my way back up to 190ish.
but i'll post some
special on it.
i'm not really a body builder or anything, just have done a few cycles to get some muscle on my scrawny ass and did it wrong, ended up fat.
went from 172 to 196 , now back to 186 (as of yesterday) hit 184 last week.
now that i found this place and seen what i did wrong, i'm just trying to lose as much fat as i can and basically start over.
i had a pot belly at 172, so i'm hoping to touch 170 .....maybe 165 (might be to low) and slowly work my way back up to 190ish.
but i'll post some
Ok, here's an update.
I have been on vacation 4 weeks, lots of binge eating and drinking.
I am not fat by any means, my BF% is still in the single digits, but I am bloated. I returned home Sunday (yesterday) and did some PGCL this morning in order to see if I can jettison some of this water.
In the past, I did it in my biceps. I did it SQ in my stomach just to see if it worked the same and because some of you keep asking about SQ injects.
Keep in mind, I am not fat and otherwise would have done it again in the biceps.
This is what I have noted :
It still works. It empties your stomach just the same.
I injected it at 530AM upon rising. On an empty stomach. Not like in the past where I did in the biceps at the end of the day after training. I woke up, injected, hit the treadmill for 30 mins at a brisk walk, and was cramping in the guts after 20 mins. I have learned that it is better to hold the "flood" in as long as you can before hitting the throne. If you run to the toilet as soon as you get "the feeling", you are just going to make multiple trips. Save it until it gets a bit unbearable then do your job all at once.
Once mixed, the product is very stable. The two pins I used were constituted and mixed 5 weeks ago. Yes, that is correct. it has been sitting loaded in the pin, in my desk drawer for 5 weeks. I used it and it worked just as well as if I had just mixed it.
I am already getting the tight feeling in my abs from the one use so far. Like I have done 500 crunches.
I will try this in the morning still for the rest of this week and report back my experience. Any questions, just post here.
I have been on vacation 4 weeks, lots of binge eating and drinking.
I am not fat by any means, my BF% is still in the single digits, but I am bloated. I returned home Sunday (yesterday) and did some PGCL this morning in order to see if I can jettison some of this water.
In the past, I did it in my biceps. I did it SQ in my stomach just to see if it worked the same and because some of you keep asking about SQ injects.
Keep in mind, I am not fat and otherwise would have done it again in the biceps.
This is what I have noted :
It still works. It empties your stomach just the same.
I injected it at 530AM upon rising. On an empty stomach. Not like in the past where I did in the biceps at the end of the day after training. I woke up, injected, hit the treadmill for 30 mins at a brisk walk, and was cramping in the guts after 20 mins. I have learned that it is better to hold the "flood" in as long as you can before hitting the throne. If you run to the toilet as soon as you get "the feeling", you are just going to make multiple trips. Save it until it gets a bit unbearable then do your job all at once.
Once mixed, the product is very stable. The two pins I used were constituted and mixed 5 weeks ago. Yes, that is correct. it has been sitting loaded in the pin, in my desk drawer for 5 weeks. I used it and it worked just as well as if I had just mixed it.
I am already getting the tight feeling in my abs from the one use so far. Like I have done 500 crunches.
I will try this in the morning still for the rest of this week and report back my experience. Any questions, just post here.
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if your a member at ssb his thread is gone.. dunno if they booted him or wtf.. but i was banking on getting some pgcl from him..
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i'm only on ssb and this forum.. seems everyone is pretty much gone from ssb . must be going private..
however they got a new seller on ssb selling all these fat burning peptides you seen his thread? wondering if any of those are good..
however they got a new seller on ssb selling all these fat burning peptides you seen his thread? wondering if any of those are good..
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he's still there
calveless wonder
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Phaded said:
yeah, lots of sources took down their threads. sucks! i was just about to order from a few of them.
there's a few IP remailers with similar names, but the other one i know (non SSB) is not responding to my e-mails. wonder if he's mia?
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AAP said:
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to AAP again.
i hit you with one on your first post back on this thread today i think..
you must get a ton of karma hits if you didn't see it lol..
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georgie24 said:
getting busted left right didn't hear anything about that.. i heard about one source getting busted and he had some list of clients that made alot of other sources go into hiding..
please dont call me a drama queen i'm just trying to inquire about information to make my body look as good as it possibly could..
maccer said:
No hunger pains, but I do get cold sweats sort of like when using slin and you feel the blood sugar dropping.
I just did one shot yesterday after taking about two months off. Even two months ago, I only did about 5 shots total.
I will be doing it SQ in the abdominal area again first thing AM with 30 mins cardio before hitting the toilet.
DAY 2 OF SQ
Ok, second day of trying it the SQ route. First day I did it on my waist besides my lower abs.
Today, I did it about 3 inches from my middle abs. I woke up this morning from only one shot yesterday and definately felt tight. Like after a hard ab workout. And in the mirror I appeared tighter than usual.
Now again, please note that I am not doing this to lose bodyfat in the abdominal area as my bodyfat is already low anyway as most of you know from my past pics, I don't carry much fat at anytime. I am just doing this to see if there is any difference from taking it this way as opposed to IM delivery. Again, I used a pair of pins that I had mixed and loaded 5 weeks ago. They were last, I will have to mix up a new batch tonight.
I did things a little different this morning. In addition to the new sites of injects, I woke up at 5AM, did my shooting then, drank 24 ounces of Crystal Lite lemonade and went right back to bed. Unlike yesterday morning where I sat around for an hour doing odd things, I went back to bed right away. Woke up at 6AM, did my Godzilla roar on the bathroom throne, drank my patented AAP musclebuilding cocktail mix and did 30 mins of the treadmill. Showered and ate.
I do notice a bit of soreness at the inject site now. I have never gotten this before, not even when I was shooting biceps.
I haven't weighed myself to see if my weight changed because I think that is going to be misleading as I just came from 4 weeks on vacation where I did nothing but eat, drink and fuck. So I am certain if my weight drops, it is from water retention loss and not fat loss.
Let me know if any ?'s.
Ok, second day of trying it the SQ route. First day I did it on my waist besides my lower abs.
Today, I did it about 3 inches from my middle abs. I woke up this morning from only one shot yesterday and definately felt tight. Like after a hard ab workout. And in the mirror I appeared tighter than usual.
Now again, please note that I am not doing this to lose bodyfat in the abdominal area as my bodyfat is already low anyway as most of you know from my past pics, I don't carry much fat at anytime. I am just doing this to see if there is any difference from taking it this way as opposed to IM delivery. Again, I used a pair of pins that I had mixed and loaded 5 weeks ago. They were last, I will have to mix up a new batch tonight.
I did things a little different this morning. In addition to the new sites of injects, I woke up at 5AM, did my shooting then, drank 24 ounces of Crystal Lite lemonade and went right back to bed. Unlike yesterday morning where I sat around for an hour doing odd things, I went back to bed right away. Woke up at 6AM, did my Godzilla roar on the bathroom throne, drank my patented AAP musclebuilding cocktail mix and did 30 mins of the treadmill. Showered and ate.
I do notice a bit of soreness at the inject site now. I have never gotten this before, not even when I was shooting biceps.
I haven't weighed myself to see if my weight changed because I think that is going to be misleading as I just came from 4 weeks on vacation where I did nothing but eat, drink and fuck. So I am certain if my weight drops, it is from water retention loss and not fat loss.
Let me know if any ?'s.
Yesterday (THU) made the 4th day in a row that I did SQ abdominal injects.
The scale at the gym last night has me at 251. A total of 3 pounds down in 4 days. Before anyone assumes or misinterprets this weight drop, keep in mind as I stated before it is mostly due to the flushing of retained water out of my system due to all the drinking I did on vacation the past four weeks. The vodka and the high carbs (along with only one workout in 29 days) had a bit of water in me. Although alcohol can be a diuretic in it's own way, it was nothing like this.
The tightness in my abs only increased each day. Keep in mind I don't have much BF to lose, as I am already in the single digits. However to give you an idea of the tightness - which was muscular tightness, not intestines - in high school and college when I competed in regional and national swim meets, our coach had us training abs 6 days a week, 45 mins straight each day. I haven't trained abs in over 6 years now due to 8 years of daily work back then. But the tightness feels exactly the same as it did back in those days when I would take 2 months off in the summer out of school and then return for the first ab workout of the season.
This is why I think (personally) it is better to inject it IM into a lagging muscle. When I was doing biceps a couple months ago, the amount of fat burning and weight loss seemed to be exactly on par with what i have just experienced with SQ. The only difference is that my biceps were pumped and swole the entire time I was on it.
The scale at the gym last night has me at 251. A total of 3 pounds down in 4 days. Before anyone assumes or misinterprets this weight drop, keep in mind as I stated before it is mostly due to the flushing of retained water out of my system due to all the drinking I did on vacation the past four weeks. The vodka and the high carbs (along with only one workout in 29 days) had a bit of water in me. Although alcohol can be a diuretic in it's own way, it was nothing like this.
The tightness in my abs only increased each day. Keep in mind I don't have much BF to lose, as I am already in the single digits. However to give you an idea of the tightness - which was muscular tightness, not intestines - in high school and college when I competed in regional and national swim meets, our coach had us training abs 6 days a week, 45 mins straight each day. I haven't trained abs in over 6 years now due to 8 years of daily work back then. But the tightness feels exactly the same as it did back in those days when I would take 2 months off in the summer out of school and then return for the first ab workout of the season.
This is why I think (personally) it is better to inject it IM into a lagging muscle. When I was doing biceps a couple months ago, the amount of fat burning and weight loss seemed to be exactly on par with what i have just experienced with SQ. The only difference is that my biceps were pumped and swole the entire time I was on it.
td1111 said:
I have never used PGF2a personally, but the one guy that I know that has used both says that the cramping and pain from PGCL is like 100x LESS than with PGF2a.
Some people refuse to use PGCL because they think the pain and cramping in the muscle will be on par with the old stuff.
I am the next guinea pig up! I took my first shot very cautiously using an ultra-low dose: 15mcg into my left bicep. Glad I did because 30 mins in, the abdominal cramping was quite painful. I certainly would have been in agony if I did more than 15mcg. No shits yet, possibly since I had already done my morning duty. I will slowly up the dose and see how it affects me.
EDIT: 1.5 hours after inject, I dropped a substantial load of diarrhea.
I found another user's thread/log on PGCL with a lot of key info that is not posted here. Some of these guys are using very high doses with massive sides: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=298908
EDIT: 1.5 hours after inject, I dropped a substantial load of diarrhea.
I found another user's thread/log on PGCL with a lot of key info that is not posted here. Some of these guys are using very high doses with massive sides: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=298908
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2YoUnG2JuiCe
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a guy on another board (veteran) ran in...he really seemed to like it but the shit seemed to have some pretty wicked side effects, hemroids, insane shitting and pissing, he was drinking 2 galons of water a day and still pissy "yellow froth" but lost weight and gained muscle i'd be hella careful though bro shit is really experimental and he metioned that pottasium and magnesium could be life savers
my .02
my .02
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Phaded
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good post aap.. would you recommend taking pgcl solo or stacked with a low dose of test or something?
Wow, hemorrhoids? Might make sense, as the other thread had guys saying it made their sphincter clench up like crazy, causing major pain, although there were doing 60-100mcgs at a time.
One thing I will say though, is my appetite has been squashed! I've had maybe 1500 calories all day, mostly whey protein and V8, milk, banana, etc. and don't feel like eating much at all. I like this effect since I'm at the tail end of my cycle and I need to cut in a big way.
Another thought! If you are on cycle and/or GH, and your intestines are doing one-max reps all the time, what are the odds of growing large intestines??
One thing I will say though, is my appetite has been squashed! I've had maybe 1500 calories all day, mostly whey protein and V8, milk, banana, etc. and don't feel like eating much at all. I like this effect since I'm at the tail end of my cycle and I need to cut in a big way.
Another thought! If you are on cycle and/or GH, and your intestines are doing one-max reps all the time, what are the odds of growing large intestines??
taureauchien
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Had to chime in and give a report.
i'm starting 3rd month. had a few days of breaks periodically.
been trying high doses then break then low doses, break again.
Just started vial #11
my personal results , i officially hit the 16 pound mark in weight loss.
sounds good i know but it is incredible because i crave junk food on this stuff.
i dont mean mcdonalds type of junk (although i have been doing that a lot more than i used to)
but chocolate is my weakness....damn, i need atleast 1 candy bar a day.
i eat dunkin donuts for breakfast, and subway or chinese buffet for lunch/dinner and maybe a protein shake (chocolate/ peanut butter) at the gym....and am down 16 pounds.
i also noticed that low doses produced just as much sides as high doses.
trips to the shitter i mean.
so basically i think high doses are a waste of money and peptide.
i've been back on low dose shooting once sometimes twice a day.
i'm also noticing that unless i totally junk it up , the second shot rarely does anything anymore.
i get it all out in the first one.
also i'm staying with sub-q.
im injects did nothing for me except produce the same effects.
so i may as well let muscles heal for the next anabolic cycle coming up.
one final thing and i have no way to know or prove this is related to the pgcl, but lately everyone (and i mean everyone literally) that i know or have had the conversation of age has commented on my youthful appearance.
i'm 37 next month, and i've gotten 4 guesses of my age from people i dont know but have met through work or whatever state they thought i was 25 to 27. in the past few months i've banged 2 20 year olds and am making out with a 21 year old as we speak...(well not this very second but you kow what i mean....presently)....all didnt know i was this old.
my parents and friends have been commenting on how good i look and they make jokes about me aging backwards.
thing is is i see it too, i do look like i've dropped a few years....not complaining about that at all!!!
again i have no idea if it is related to the pgcl but either way i'm glad its happening because damn i'm haveing fun!
also i've been off cycle for a lil while and really didnt do much for p c t because i was starting this at the end of a cycle and wasnt sure if it would
keep me anabolic, so i didnt do a p c t.
.....i havent lost any muscle. actually i look bigger and more cut because of all the excess weight/bloat/fat i've lost.
so i dont think it matters if its sub q or im.....atleast not on me.
well thats my update.
i still have a good 10 pounds to go before i reach my goal.
i'm about to do a slight dnp cycle for about 2 weeks and include the pgcl in the last week to suck off the bloat it causes.
that should really kick off the pounds, then i'll be ready for my next cycle in oct.
i'm running only 1shot a day now unless i overdo it, then i add the 2nd at night a couple hours before bed.
i wake up seeing abs andthat makes for a happy start to my day.
i'm starting 3rd month. had a few days of breaks periodically.
been trying high doses then break then low doses, break again.
Just started vial #11
my personal results , i officially hit the 16 pound mark in weight loss.
sounds good i know but it is incredible because i crave junk food on this stuff.
i dont mean mcdonalds type of junk (although i have been doing that a lot more than i used to)
but chocolate is my weakness....damn, i need atleast 1 candy bar a day.
i eat dunkin donuts for breakfast, and subway or chinese buffet for lunch/dinner and maybe a protein shake (chocolate/ peanut butter) at the gym....and am down 16 pounds.
i also noticed that low doses produced just as much sides as high doses.
trips to the shitter i mean.
so basically i think high doses are a waste of money and peptide.
i've been back on low dose shooting once sometimes twice a day.
i'm also noticing that unless i totally junk it up , the second shot rarely does anything anymore.
i get it all out in the first one.
also i'm staying with sub-q.
im injects did nothing for me except produce the same effects.
so i may as well let muscles heal for the next anabolic cycle coming up.
one final thing and i have no way to know or prove this is related to the pgcl, but lately everyone (and i mean everyone literally) that i know or have had the conversation of age has commented on my youthful appearance.
i'm 37 next month, and i've gotten 4 guesses of my age from people i dont know but have met through work or whatever state they thought i was 25 to 27. in the past few months i've banged 2 20 year olds and am making out with a 21 year old as we speak...(well not this very second but you kow what i mean....presently)....all didnt know i was this old.
my parents and friends have been commenting on how good i look and they make jokes about me aging backwards.
thing is is i see it too, i do look like i've dropped a few years....not complaining about that at all!!!
again i have no idea if it is related to the pgcl but either way i'm glad its happening because damn i'm haveing fun!
also i've been off cycle for a lil while and really didnt do much for p c t because i was starting this at the end of a cycle and wasnt sure if it would
keep me anabolic, so i didnt do a p c t.
.....i havent lost any muscle. actually i look bigger and more cut because of all the excess weight/bloat/fat i've lost.
so i dont think it matters if its sub q or im.....atleast not on me.
well thats my update.
i still have a good 10 pounds to go before i reach my goal.
i'm about to do a slight dnp cycle for about 2 weeks and include the pgcl in the last week to suck off the bloat it causes.
that should really kick off the pounds, then i'll be ready for my next cycle in oct.
i'm running only 1shot a day now unless i overdo it, then i add the 2nd at night a couple hours before bed.
i wake up seeing abs andthat makes for a happy start to my day.
socket
New member
It appears that this is it's chemical name:
Cloprostenol Sodium
http://www.ecic.com/product/api/pro-api-clopr-e.htm
(posted this in other PGCL thread, but it should have gone in here)
Cloprostenol Sodium
http://www.ecic.com/product/api/pro-api-clopr-e.htm
(posted this in other PGCL thread, but it should have gone in here)
taureauchien
New member
now this is only from my personal experience with this stuff.
i found higher doses to be no better than lower.
i found too low a dose just gives me bad cramping gas, but does nothing else either.
i'd start at a moderate dose and use a little less until you get to that gassy stage, and that would be your low limit.
at the too low a dose i never lost any pounds, just bad farts.
i upped it a bit and got to the stage that makes me shit, and i've continued losing weight.
it doesnt always make me go, but most of the time it does.
too much always made me go, even if there was nothing left to shit out.
and got cold sweats, chills, tired, and a few other things to go with it.
even got a case of the dreaded hemorroids.
i lost weight but i didnt like that part of checking it out.
now that i found the lower dose that works for me, i'm dropping weight still.
shitting isnt bad...some days it is though. i'm saving money because i get more injects per vial.
and a respectable tolerance is built to where i really only need to inject once a day now, anything more just makes me gassy and have a few false alarms on the shitter.
but i'm still dropping about a pound every few days and eating anything i want.
so my opinion is the lowest dose possible that produces the shitting sides is
this best.
but that just may be me though.
i found higher doses to be no better than lower.
i found too low a dose just gives me bad cramping gas, but does nothing else either.
i'd start at a moderate dose and use a little less until you get to that gassy stage, and that would be your low limit.
at the too low a dose i never lost any pounds, just bad farts.
i upped it a bit and got to the stage that makes me shit, and i've continued losing weight.
it doesnt always make me go, but most of the time it does.
too much always made me go, even if there was nothing left to shit out.
and got cold sweats, chills, tired, and a few other things to go with it.
even got a case of the dreaded hemorroids.
i lost weight but i didnt like that part of checking it out.
now that i found the lower dose that works for me, i'm dropping weight still.
shitting isnt bad...some days it is though. i'm saving money because i get more injects per vial.
and a respectable tolerance is built to where i really only need to inject once a day now, anything more just makes me gassy and have a few false alarms on the shitter.
but i'm still dropping about a pound every few days and eating anything i want.
so my opinion is the lowest dose possible that produces the shitting sides is
this best.
but that just may be me though.
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Phaded
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taureauchien said:
so if you were a newb again what dose would you try and start out on?
and would you recommend taking this with/without a low does of test .. say like 250mg/week
taureauchien
New member
Phaded said:
if i was a newb again, i'd take the 1/2 cc insulin pin that i use and fill it to the 15 mark.(you should get over a dozen of those from 1 vial). for me any less just cramped me up and made me all farty.
any more made me feel like i had to shit the whole 2 hours.
at that dose it took about 15 - 20 minutes and i'd have to hit the shitter and it was finished.....unless i really junked up on the grub, then i may have a couple more runs to the john.
as far as with test, i plan on doing that myself around oct.
my cycle plans are test/mast/tren with one daily inject to keep off bloat.
if any bloat happens.
i havent run it in a roid cycle so i cant give you a quality answer, but from what i've read up on, it combos nicely.
just dont expect it to increase anything (size,strength,weight)
i really dont think this stuff does anything more but get rid of excess water and fat.
my story why i got it, i bloat like a dead body on a cycle. and it hardly goes away no matter what i take. even after p c t i would still carry a lot of water. but thats just me, i've always been a water retainer, roids just increased it.
i tried so many things to get rid of excess water, some did good some didnt do shit.
this pgcl when i stumbled on it. told about all this benefits on size gain, no sides other than shitting, site injection growth, blah blah blah....
so i figured i'd try it.
it did none of that for me , but it shredded of my bloat within days.
i mean i literally was shitting waste water....which seemed to be gallons at a time, .....doubt it was ,but damn!!!
it was like pissing out my ass, bordering on a gross to much info here i know, but it is what happened to me.
i also have/had a lot of belly fat, and after the first few weeks i was seeing abs.
i'm in month 3 now and as i stated before i've dropped 16.
no other aids used really, i started to a couple times but changed my mind to see the pure effects of this stuff.
i've kept my size of past cycles, but dropped all the bloat and i can tell its working on fat now....probably because there is no more bloat to get rid of.
its good stuff if you dont expect the miracle drug people are advertising it as.
but it is great for what it does.
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Phaded
Guest
wher are you injcting at
taureauchien
New member
td1111 said:I did 25mcg three times today. It seems that the body gets more used to it after the first couple of doses. My biggest problem is fatigue. I had to nap for 2 hours this evening. I hope it gets easier. I'm rotating between biceps and calf IM injects.
Also, I find that by eating light, or liquids only, and by injecting prior to eating, I don't shit at all, except in the mornings as I usually have a nice proper dinner. I will try using immodium prior to injects, as others have reported reduced sides and diarrhea.
Also! Baby wipes are a godsend for preserving your ass
if i do to high a dose i get fatigued and wanna take a nap too.
i did a liquid day once and injected, man i wont do that again.
i pissed out my ass for almost 4 hours, and couldnt hold it til i got to the shitter because it was liquid....never again! fucking nasty and went through a few pairs of underwear that day.
i read that taking immodium dilutes the fat burning effects, is that happening to you?
i took pepto once with it and was a farting machine, decided to save the ozone and wont be doing that again!
and good call on the baby wipes
