Perceived abuse of moderator power's

[bouncer]

There's alot of cripping and crying about some moderators 'abusing' their MOD's power's on these board. Someone wrote in another thread that the member's using the boards would "moderate"the boards themselves by flaming etc..! So we let the lunatics take over the asylum ?.
There WAS a time here when the flaming on all the board, but particularly the anabolic discussion board, would make todays flameing look like childs play.
You guys think RyanH abuses his power's by using this board as his political discussion board (I don't read them as their alittle over my head and don't concern Ireland anyway). At least RyanH is trying to bring some mature thought to the board. Before his Nomination and those of his pers the regular theme which ran through this board was "why do nigger's finger nails grow quicker", "why are asians smelly" and a 'clique' of white supremisy (sp'ing) exited which was operating detrimential to the good running of e/f and our sport.
Thankfully those days are long gone, ok there's still a little gay bashing done, but May1010, JohnnyO and flex1 are well able to match anyone here on an intelect base and make these gay bashing posts authors look like the stupid fucks they are.
If their nominations were so bad and the running of the boards were soo interupted by these perceived abuse of their power's elitefitness would'nt have grown to become THE best bodybuilding, fitness, powerlifting, sports board on the internet. So please consider these facts next time we go 'MOD bashing' again.
Btw this is not a brown nosing, lickass thread. But I'm sick to death of reading these ranting about the MOD's when ALL the MOD's here who've been accused unfairly have stated they'll always own up to their action's, and indeed George recently stated that concerns about deleted thread etc should be brought to his attention for further action.
Regards

Bouncer

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

I rarely bad mouth or really flame mods for their decision, but I will always speak up when I feel they are wrong. It seems many around here have a mindset that mods are almighty and should never be accussed of wrongdoing. Not saying that you are those people. Many seemed to be so scarred to speake their mind, simply for the reason that their thread will be deleted, locked, or they will be banned. When this happens, these people opinions are being thrown out and the mods opinion is set in place. That is wrong in my opinion.

I am 100% against censorship in any regard. I know this is a privately owned site and I recognize that. However, that does not change my opinion regarding censorship, nor will it ever.

 

[bouncer]

Yes your right, speak up when you feel you've been wrong. Censorship should be used wisely, not I don't agree it should be done away with entirely. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to all sorts of idiots and their idiotic ideoledgy (my spelling is shit today !). For instance would you suggest I let my children sit down and watch uncensored TV, or other such rubbish. Ok you might suggest that once things stay within the law their fine, but I think a small bit of censorship, used wisely is a good thing. Of course 'absolute power corrupts absolutely' and thats why George has the final say over the actions of the MOD's here.
As regards speaking out against the mod's, it the critisism is justified then speak your mind.
I happen to think there's a few very bad choices in the last round of mod nomination's, I'm not going to name names right now because I'll miss one or two and the one's I name will feel I'm just picking on them alone !.
regards
Bouncer

 

[GinNJuice]

My bad..... I guess you weren't talking about me

 

[velvett]

IMany seemed to be so scarred to speake their mind, simply for the reason that their thread will be deleted, locked, or they will be banned.

That is interesting because it always pains me to make a decision on whether or not to edit, move or delete a thread because of the lashback I expect to receive. Because 75% OF TIME something is done by any Mod someone will start a thread to complain about it.

That's not to say I don't trust my decisions - it's just to point out that there is a thought process, a corncern and a respect for those speaking their minds.

I will, however, close any thread that I happen to notice and feel takes a member - ANY MEMBER - (yes, including myself) and makes them into a punching bad for those in the mood to abuse at random. I have PMed people that I felt were getting verbally attacked to find out whether or not they wished to have the thread closed and to date that has only backfired once.

And BO - while we may not always stay on the same side of the fence I do respect what you have to say and how you choice to express yourself as well as your thoughts on censorship.

Please just see my point of view.

 

[velvett]

oops

 

[bouncer]

Something I forgot to mention, I also moderate my own post's. Recently I made a thread about a certain lady here, it was supposed to be a fun thread, it was 'hi-jacket' and started turning sour. So I delted the whole thread.
I once made reference to someone else here which was a mistake on my behalf, when it was brought to my attention it was too late for me to delete it myself. I asked a MOD to do it for me.
Regards
Bouncer

 

[Bikini Mod]

Thank you, Bouncer.

I know that not EVERY board member likes me or even if they do, they do NOT agree with every decision I make in regards to monitoring the boards and THAT IS COOL WITH ME.

To my knowledge, I have ALWAYS treated ALL of the members with RESPECT.... even MANY of those that have blatantly disrespected me and/or my fellow moderators. But there are times when all hell seems to break loose and someone has to draw the line. We all have the power to "undo" the actions or advocate the actions of the other mods and, of course, GEORGE IS THE GOD AT ELITE (hehehhee).

So, if anyone has a beef with me they can bring it to me and we can discuss it as equals. If they are going to resort to mindless name-calling (and I am not talking about words like "stupid") and outright degradation then I WILL LAY THE SMACK DOWN. For this I make NO APOLOGEES. I admit, that I get VERY DEFENSIVE of women, in general. I have NEVER hid this fact. But on the flip side, if you are an idiot female that makes me ashamed to also be a woman - BEWARE.... I WILL NOT HESITATE TO MAKE YOU EITHER CRAWL AWAY OR MAKE YOU THINK (Something that you have probably NEVER done in your sorry life!)!

I can also agree to disagree with anyone.

Am I perfect? Ummmmmm NO. Am I fair and respectful? I would like to think so.

TO DATE, I HAVE NEVER, EVER HUNG ANY MEMBER OF ELITE OUT TO DRY UNLESS THEY BEGGEDFOR IT FIRST! I have used a tremendous amount of restraint with several board members in the past and as of late. But there comes a time, unfortunately, when some people just do NOT realize when enough is enough. That is where my patience ends and my job begins.

PS - I am disturbed that anyone at elite feels that they should not speak their mind for fear of being banned. I should like to know who they are and why they did not come to me or any of the other moderators..... unless, of course, they could not speak thier minds WITHOUT calling someone a bitch, slut, whore, etc....then they were EXTREMELY WISE to keep thier filthy pieholes SHUT.

 

[doc_pup]

I'm pretty new here, but I would like to point out some observations i've made. First, most of the mods here seem pretty cool and i'd be glad to call any of my m8. Secondly, most of the mod bashing here is directed at RyanH. Granted, he may act a little hastily sometimes, he often uses good judgement. There is no point for someone to start a thread simply for the purpose of berating someone, just like its pointless to make a thread about blowing sunshine up someone's ass. For the most part, we are all adults here, so why not act like it, if you have a problem with a decision a mod has made, why not pm them and try to resolve the issue. Some may not agree with me, that's fine, its a free country, but next time think before you start belligerantly hammering a mod, their decision just may have been the correct one.

 

[Abbaddon]

anyone believing the mods are bad here should try to post on musclemag sometime. If you even have the hint of sarcasm in your post it is deleted. Nothing like that happens here, the mods as I have seen since being here are pretty fair. Not to mention that most of the mods over there dont know what they are talking about.

 

[big4life]

I think the moderators are very respectful of other member's
views and opinions.

I've noticed most tend to allow more abuse to be dumped
on them, than other members, and this does bother me.
Just because someone is a moderator, does not mean they
have to take more abuse than regular members.

If people do not agree with a decision that has been made,
PM the moderator, but keep it civil. Show a little respect, for
them, as well as yourself.

 

[Milhouse]

You know bouncer I am going to tell you this and I hope you don't take this the wrong way but good post> Got ya hehe

Seriously though I think some of the bellyaching about mods here goes too far sometimes. Yes I have complained to mods in threads here when they have locked threads of mine but I have never disrespected any of them or anything.

And I think bouncer would make a good moderator because you are moderate(meaning not biased) towards people here period.

Besides a crazy irishman would balance the mod duties around here lol.

 

[bouncer]

Jeeze milhouse you had me there for a second, I could feel the a fight come on !!!, just kidding I don't fight too much around here.
Actually I'm surprised this has remained so calm, I was expecting awhole load of shit over it.
I have had 3 posts deleted in the past, two by George and one by Matt.
George acted in the good of the board, because I let something out that the board was'nt ready to hear yet. He e.mailed me his reason's and I had to agree when I gave it a little thought. THe second was a reply to something which Matt deleted by accident, I PM'ed him my concerns, he explained it had been an accident, tried to retreive the deleted post but could'nt.
Bikinimom you know that apart from the stupid ass Karma message's you have the support of the whole board here. You pretty much stand tall here in my books.

Regards

Bouncer

 

[Bikini Mod]

The opinions ( if one can even use that term for the garbage they regularly spew) of insecure children (or adults with a very low iq)with access to the internet mean nothing to me. (And I AM NOT talking about individuals who do not agree w/my point of view or people who just do not like me ....I am not out to win any popularity contests and do not NEED to have approval from everyone for my every thought or action. I seek the approval of my children and MYSELF.... that and I am striving to make my family and close friends proud. Having said that, I think all the members of the board know what types I am talking about.)

And, Thank you Bouncer... coming from you, (one of THE MOST highly regarded members of elite, not kissing ass, just stating fact) that means a lot.

 

[satanic goatslayer]

This thread makes me want to eat battered snapper and mojos. Fish 'n' chips, if you will. All I have is a leftover thigh from one of my lady friends though.

Perhaps I could sell it for some fish at the pawn shop.

That be the plan.

Sell human appendage for red snapper = satiated appetite.

Wonderful.

 

[bouncer]

Jeeper's b'mom ya know how to make a big softie blush !.

Bouncer

 

[minion]

There's alot of cripping and crying about some moderators 'abusing' their MOD's power's on these board. Someone wrote in another thread that the member's using the boards would "moderate"the boards themselves by flaming etc..! So we let the lunatics take over the asylum ?.

Who are you refering?

 

[minion]

The opinions ( if one can even use that term for the garbage they regularly spew) of insecure children (or adults with a very low iq)with access to the internet mean nothing to me. (And I AM NOT talking about individuals who do not agree w/my point of view or people who just do not like me ....I am not out to win any popularity contests and do not NEED to have approval from everyone for my every thought or action. I seek the approval of my children and MYSELF.... that and I am striving to make my family and close friends proud. Having said that, I think all the members of the board know what types I am talking about.)

I'm not a MOderator, but that's ditto for me as well. I'm not here to massage ego's either.

 

[bouncer]

The list is long minion. I was'nt refering to you btw, because I don't know you !. You've only been here since July and this MOD bashing has been going on alot longer than that I asure you mate.
If there's a genuine problem with any member here, be it a MOD or not, there's several course's of action you can take. Unfortunately some people around here feel it's their duty to mouth off here first. What happens then is long time use'ers of e/f, like myself take the view that their just being distruptive and don't even bother to open their threads anymore.
This board is the envy of bodybuilding board anywhere on the internet, how would it look from the outside if the board was a free for all without any form of monitoring from moderators.
In the early days of e/f when we had E2, WCP, Texasguns etc the monitoring mostly concerned source posting as the board was mostly anabolic steroid talk.

Minion I'm just wondering why you had to ask me that question ?.
I wonder "if the cap fit's, wear it"................

Now I answered your question. I don't remember you answering mine in your thread about RyanH.
I asked you had you e.mailed your concerns to George before you posted here and what was the result of the e.mail.
I have had cause to e.mail George for a number of things and have always received a prompt reply.

Bouncer

 

[bouncer]

And one final thing I'd like to say. RyanH is not a punchbag to be knocked about here everytime someone has a grevance concerning a deleted or locked post.
Some posts which have been locked, moved or deleted have been brought to the attention of the MOD's by the ordinary member's of the board here like myself. After consideration the MOD's will take the appropriate action. And that doesn't mean they'll automatically act on the concerns of the member concerned. I have brought some posts to the attention of moderators here, who after carefully considering the contents of the post have PM'ed me back explaining that after looking at both side's of the argument they'll either leave the thread as it stand's or if there's a slight concern it's going to turn bad they'll pormise to monitor it.
You guy's have to see that just because your not a moderator of the board you should feel you have a duty of care for the good running of the board none the less.
Regards
Bouncer

 

[minion]

Bouncer,
My my original thread inept moderators, "RyanH" was intended to be a private PM to George S.
However when I tried to select him I got an Administrator error. At that point due to the curcumstances I decided this is proper for public forum. I didn't know if this was another result of moderator intervention.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=74349

The second was started because my firts one was closed without justification. Which I believe, man to man I deserved an explanation.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=74445

If you read MY post on either of these two threads of mine. I kept a certain level of prudence. RyanH arrived at the conclusion that it incitated others, hence his actions to censor. In which case is unfortunate, none the less a harmless by product. Closing threads on whim or because of annoyance is discouraging. So I spoke my piece, just as you have.

I have said before I respect those who oppose my views. Its important for eveyone to have some type of understanding and insight to those who are different. Further more I invite it. See the contrast?

 

[bouncer]

Ok good post, and like all your postings here which I've read well written too.
The problem we all have on the board inparticular is we have a small number of hardcore disruptive member's ready to 'hi-jack' what starts out as a good constructive thread and use it as their public platform to bash MOD's, slag off minorities and insult (deeply) our female members of elitefitness.
This has got to a point where I have to consider what's likely to happen to my threads now. So in the 1440 minutes I'm allowed to completely delete my thread I'll monitor it closely. If I feel the orginal message in the thread has been lost by the same disruption I've talked about I'll delete the whole thread myself.
This first robs the idiot who hi-jacked' my thread any platform for further rantings, and second unfortunetly it's robs other members plus myself to contribute another constructive discussion to e/f.
In no way would I like to live under a dictator moderator system, but we have intelligent MOD's here, as George stated elsewhere, we have some of the best brains in bodybuilding, power lifting, general health and fitness, womens issues and steroid advice among our member's and it's these type of people who should be encouraged to post on all the boards here. But unfortunetly this place can look like a monkeys tea party from the outside and thereby discouraging these people from posting here.
There's a half dozen name's floating around my head who continue to cause disruption here and NEVER post on anyother board on e/f.
I use the anabolic discussion board, Gear pix and counterfiet boards, training board and even the womens discussion board.
And I think if we brought the standard of discussion here (while still making it fun) up the the standard of those other boards we'd REALLY have something good going here.
Without some monitoring the elite fitness chat board would just desend into gutter snipe.
Regards

Bouncer

 

[MommaKin]

bouncer for president!

 

[bouncer]

Mommokin first first lady then, since you have 4 stars you could be a threat in an election !.

Btw in 48 hours I haven't been able to give some member's, MK included some good karma, why ?.

Bouncer

 

[MommaKin]

I dunno......it seems when I can give karma, it's only to a few ppl and then I'm tapped out...
o, thanks also to the red karma givers...I apprecuate it all, good and bad....i only wish you had balls to say who you are.....but then again, it's obvious you don't have balls...

Mommokin first first lady then, since you have 4 stars you could be a threat in an election !.

Btw in 48 hours I haven't been able to give some member's, MK included some good karma, why ?.

Bouncer

 

[freak daddy]

Great post Bouncer!