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Peace Protestors: Anti-War or Anti-US?

Useful Idiots And Useless Arguments: The Depressing Iraq War Debate

Useful Idiots And Useless Arguments: The Depressing Iraq War Debate
Toogood Reports ^ | March 10, 2003 | W. James Antle III

It is often said that we are moving toward war with Iraq without adequate debate. Given all these months of haggling, it is less the case that there has been no debate than it is that it has been a debate of exceptionally low quality.

If all the droning about what television news programs like to dramatically describe as our "countdown to war" or "showdown with Iraq" seems unsatisfying, maybe it is because serious issues have been drowned out by unserious arguments. Even by the appallingly low standards of contemporary political debate, there has been a substantial amount of name-calling, red herrings and weak arguments by both sides. I am not high-mindedly exempting myself from this description – my own work at times treats the phrase "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" as if it were a useful category of geopolitical analysis.


As "reality TV" broadcasts the most intimate personal details about people nobody had heard of just weeks before, we are bombarded with celebrities´ opinions about the war as if it were some kind of popularity contest. Forget the positions of Great Britain, Spain and Germany — Kid Rock and Tom Cruise are for the war while Martin Sheen and Sheryl Crow are not. Doesn´t Bono have veto power on the United Nations Security Council?


Yes, to a certain degree this is not anything new or unique to the Iraq war. Barbara Streisand has been keeping us apprised of her liberal views for years now. Rock musicians and folk singers were fixtures of the 1960s movement against the war in Vietnam; there has yet to be an anti-war-with-Iraq Woodstock. Famous people have never been content with being famous. They desire also to be important. But somehow celebrities seem to be a bigger part of the Iraq war debate than they were during previous conflicts.


To a large extent, the whole debate over using military force against Iraq is a proxy for how one feels about President Bush. The president´s supporters back a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq as a way of showing solidarity with their commander-in-chief. Bush´s critics are leading an anti-war movement that is really more of an anti-Bush movement. The "no blood for oil" arguments are largely predicated on the idea that Bush and his "oil cronies" want to fight this war for their own financial gain. Signs carried at protest marches are emblazoned with insults against the president and Vice President Dick Cheney. Attorney General John Ashcroft is singled out for vitriol even though he is not particularly responsible for the Bush administration´s defense policies.


To a certain degree, this is a natural part of the debate over any policy that is identified with a particular administration. Lyndon Johnson had to endure calls of "Hey, hey LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" Later, Richard Nixon was consistently the target of anti-war protestors´ ire. Moreover, in the absence of any publicly distributed evidence of an imminent threat the case for war has been made on the basis of risks. How credible you find those risks and whether they are compelling enough to prompt you to support a war to address them depends in whole or in part on your faith in the Bush administration´s judgment.


But the raw partisanship of much of the most outspoken anti-war activists is breathtakingly obvious. Relatively few of them protested when Bill Clinton took a tougher line against Iraq in 1998. When the Clinton administration effected regime change in Haiti – to restore democracy, of course – bombed Serbia and intervened in Kosovo it did not seek the approval of the U.N. Security Council. This approval almost certainly wouldn´t have been granted in the latter two cases – Russia surely would have vetoed any such resolution. No argument for any of these interventions could be made on self-defense grounds, preemptive or otherwise. Yet ANSWER-type groups did not organize mass demonstrations in response, though it should be noted that some noninterventionists, such as the writers at LewRockwell.com and Antiwar.com, were as opposed to those adventures as a war against Iraq.


Protestors attending these demonstrations don´t merely oppose war with Iraq. They hold signs celebrating a litany of far-left liberal causes, ranging from free health care to freeing Mumia. Anti-war conservatives and libertarians glumly note that speakers at these events are rabid leftists who rail against capitalism, trade and American institutions. Some are not merely opposed to war; they are virtually apologists for Saddam Hussein. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets almost as much attention as the possibility of the U.S. going to war with Iraq. Some denounce Israel in terms that approach anti-Semitism. Key organizers hail from Workers´ World and the Socialist Workers´ Party.


Rabid armchair warriors viewing these protests on TV respond with calls to invade and democratize the world. When Ann Coulter wrote a column suggesting that we should invade countries where Islamic fundamentalism is popular, kill their leaders and convert the people to Christianity, she was widely denounced. Some of the more ambitious proposals to widen the war on terror to include the most amorphous criteria for terrorism possible amount to little more than a secularized version of this.


We are dealing with the possibility of yet another hostile rogue regime acquiring weapons of mass destruction in an age of terrorism. Action and inaction both pose serious risks that should be weighed as the focus of any Iraq war debate. Yet this doesn´t happen often enough. As the day of reckoning approaches, there is still a lot of confusion and mixed emotions. This is because some people saw a war and sought to trivialize it as theater.
 
the only reason these protestors are being taken notice of is due to their numbers correct?

which insinuates (and correctly) that the MINORITY of marchers on the anti-war days weren;t those with socialist/communist agenda's but avergae people who happened to be against the war (and is proved my nbumerous opinion polls showing 70% of the public as staunchly anti war without UN backing)

pro-war advocates constantly 'try' and label those who marched as extremists or communists much as they have always done to try an dissuade the masses from ther arguement

problem is, if you had actually gone to the march/protest, you would have seen the majority of these communists were kept to the start of the march to justtry and sell their cruddy newspapers, and even then their numbers were small. plus they can also be aganst a war and communist can they not? should one have an affect on the other? given that those who kept saddam in power during the iran war WEREN'T communists....





as much as people try to deny it, there is a LOT of popular support for not alowing war in iraq. there wasnt for kosovo and afghanistan. this should tell you the protestors for the majority are not anti-US but merely anti gulf war, and perhaps anti-bush. he worries me more than saddam and if you look at the so called 'freedoms' you go top war for and how he and his best buddy ashcroft are erroding from you, you'd probably be terrified of him too

but hey lets focus on saddam right?
 
Re: Truth....

Baby Gorilla said:
I think it's just the world going mad.

I don't blame the protesters. They're part of a larger problem.

Saddam gasses people. We do nothing. Saddam murders family members. We do nothing. Saddam refuses to comply with resolutions imposed by the UN after being beaten in Desert Strom. We do nothing.

Milosevech is ACCUSED of ethnic cleansing in a region where the two ethnicities in question have been murdering each other for generations. Not one named victim is shown to be killed by Milosevech either directly or by his order. We go in, kidnap him, put him on trail, put him in prison.

There's a ban from selling weapons to Iraq. France and Germany violate this. Nothing is done.

The USA (after openly declaring war on ALL terrorists) finally decide to end the Iraq threat (regardless of how you view the need to do it now, it's something that would inevitably come). We are painted as the bad guys.

People around the world embrace socialism. Socialism hasn't produced a single prosperous economy. It basically is the equal distribution of misery. "I don't like being poor while others have wealth. If I can't be rich, we should all be poor."

Capitalism (for all it's unfairness or inequity), creates prosperity for those who will work for it. It creates an incentive for people to do their best rather than just do enough to get by. It's seen as evil.

The Bible says a time will come where people will call good evil and evil good. I think that "madness" has finally come. :(

Excellent. Karma to you.
 
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