pct question

[peerchek]

i've been runnin 1cc e4d of test cyp, and now starting my win eod, i have read alot about pct(hcg, clomid, nolva). I'm not sure what to start doing. my friend who is very knowlegable says i should use hcg, i want my libido to be right when on the winny and also want to keep as much possible gains as possible, but i'm unsure and want more than one opinion. what do yall think i should use for pct?
thanks in advance bros.

 

[digit0x]

i've been runnin 1cc e4d of test cyp, and now starting my win eod, i have read alot about pct(hcg, clomid, nolva). I'm not sure what to start doing. my friend who is very knowlegable says i should use hcg, i want my libido to be right when on the winny and also want to keep as much possible gains as possible, but i'm unsure and want more than one opinion. what do yall think i should use for pct?
thanks in advance bros.

hmm... fairly low dosages so you wont have to go crazy, but a solid PCT includes:

1,000 IUs HCG 2x/wk with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED, first 3 weeks. Discontinue HCG, sustain Nolva. 20 mgs EOD, for additional 3 weeks.

you can argue the fine points, i.e. splitting HCG and doubling frequency, more or less nolva but this is a good guideline.

 

[Sanel27]

hmm... fairly low dosages so you wont have to go crazy, but a solid PCT includes:

1,000 IUs HCG 2x/wk with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED, first 3 weeks. Discontinue HCG, sustain Nolva. 20 mgs EOD, for additional 3 weeks.

you can argue the fine points, i.e. splitting HCG and doubling frequency, more or less nolva but this is a good guideline.

Close enough to what i wanted to say.............

I would recommend this:

HCG - 500IUs daily or 1,000IUs EOD 2 weeks before your last shot till 2 weeks after
Nolvadex - 20-40mgs daily alongside the start of HCG till 2 weeks after you stop HCG
Clomid - 100mgs a day 15 days after your last shot of Test-E for 15 days

 

[peerchek]

hmm... fairly low dosages so you wont have to go crazy, but a solid PCT includes:

1,000 IUs HCG 2x/wk with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED, first 3 weeks. Discontinue HCG, sustain Nolva. 20 mgs EOD, for additional 3 weeks.

you can argue the fine points, i.e. splitting HCG and doubling frequency, more or less nolva but this is a good guideline.

ya thats something i needed to here, i took at very low dosages cause i cant get too tight and big. another thing is that i dont understand iu's how much is that in cc terms? thanks bro

 

[peerchek]

Close enough to what i wanted to say.............

I would recommend this:

HCG - 500IUs daily or 1,000IUs EOD 2 weeks before your last shot till 2 weeks after
Nolvadex - 20-40mgs daily alongside the start of HCG till 2 weeks after you stop HCG
Clomid - 100mgs a day 15 days after your last shot of Test-E for 15 days

i'm not on test-e, what whoudl the clomid be good for if im already doin hcg and nolva?

 

[tin2]

i'm not on test-e, what whoudl the clomid be good for if im already doin hcg and nolva?

Clomid does pretty much the same as what nolva does..but nolva has the e-blocker..some ppl need clomid to get back on track..But i find it has too many sides(acne,depression) go with what digit0x said above..
Or for ur PCT:
Nolva wk1-2 40mg/day
wk3-4 20mg/day

 

[del piero]

brothers,i have no fucken idea why do U ALL use nolva in pct....i've been reading alot about this, every1 recomended using nolva DURING the cycle only&we dont have 2 use it in pct....some of the guys i asked are doctors but i dont trust doc's in this stuff....i usually stick to clomid 100mg ED&hcg 1500iu 3 times a week(both for 6 weeks),i used nolva couple of times in pct but there was no difference in the blood test results....anyway,my golden role is AS LONG AS UR BOLS ARE FINE DONT WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE...

 

[peerchek]

brothers,i have no fucken idea why do U ALL use nolva in pct....i've been reading alot about this, every1 recomended using nolva DURING the cycle only&we dont have 2 use it in pct....some of the guys i asked are doctors but i dont trust doc's in this stuff....i usually stick to clomid 100mg ED&hcg 1500iu 3 times a week(both for 6 weeks),i used nolva couple of times in pct but there was no difference in the blood test results....anyway,my golden role is AS LONG AS UR BOLS ARE FINE DONT WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE...

well i want my dick hard when i'm about to bang out a chik. last time on winnny i couldnt get my dick up in two different occasions, so i just breifly stoped trying to bust a nut. thats all i care about.

 

[tin2]

I dont know... the nolva worked for me..I never crashed and I didnt have a problem like you ...Alot of ppl say clomid is stronger .. U might get ur dick harder faster..but while ur fuking her ull see tracers and cry when she doesnt cuddle after.... (alot of sides)

 

[Slyder190]

HCG during the last 3 weeks of your cycle and Clomid and Nolva for 3-4 weeks afterowrds. No offense, but if you don't know what the hell you're doing, educate yourself first before you jump into a cycle.

 

[rjkilmer]

I've never seen so many people recommend hcg for pct... I always see it maybe mid cycle to get your nuts plumped up but from the forums i learned on everyone said the hcg could damper your pct

 

[peerchek]

probally just do the hcg, i know what to take i have a friend who's a personal trainer and has knowledge with gear. i just was wondering what people on here suggest, thanks

 

[USHP]

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

This is a basic pct taken from the pct forum on this board posted by Jenetic about 1 year ago. I've been told he is highly regarded.

It's close to a couple of others already posted. The only thing that concerns me with hcg is if used in excessive dosages or too frequently it may cause Leydig cell desensitization. Read up on it. Though hcg is necessary part of most pct's I'm wondering about the dosages being too high in some cases so I'm reading up on it.

The use of nolvadex as above is required for pct. If you were on a long, heavy dose cycle clomid would be recommended by some in addition to the nolva. Both nolva and clomid are SERMs and both do the same thing, basically, in pct but it takes 100-150mg of clomid to do what 20mg of nolva will. Clomid can also cause sides like vision problems while on it which is one reason some stay away from it unless absolutely needed.

So the pct above is for cyles of moderate length and dosages, which I believe your's is. But whatever you choose you can't do hcg alone you won't recover.

You really should have researched your pct before cycle as you'll find many different ways to use hcg. During cycle in small dosages, mid cycle for a certain number of days at a higher dosage and at the end of cycle as seen here. You can debate pct in general forever and never really get everyone to agree on any one thing but the fact is you have to do pct.

 

[rjkilmer]

1.) 1,000 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for the first 3 weeks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for an additional 3 weeks.

This is a basic pct taken from the pct forum on this board posted by Jenetic about 1 year ago. I've been told he is highly regarded.

It's close to a couple of others already posted. The only thing that concerns me with hcg is if used in excessive dosages or too frequently it may cause Leydig cell desensitization. Read up on it. Though hcg is necessary part of most pct's I'm wondering about the dosages being too high in some cases so I'm reading up on it.

The use of nolvadex as above is required for pct. If you were on a long, heavy dose cycle clomid would be recommended by some in addition to the nolva. Both nolva and clomid are SERMs and both do the same thing, basically, in pct but it takes 100-150mg of clomid to do what 20mg of nolva will. Clomid can also cause sides like vision problems while on it which is one reason some stay away from it unless absolutely needed.

So the pct above is for cyles of moderate length and dosages, which I believe your's is. But whatever you choose you can't do hcg alone you won't recover.

You really should have researched your pct before cycle as you'll find many different ways to use hcg. During cycle in small dosages, mid cycle for a certain number of days at a higher dosage and at the end of cycle as seen here. You can debate pct in general forever and never really get everyone to agree on any one thing but the fact is you have to do pct.

clomid does more than just what nolva does

"It also opposes the negative feedback loop that the body has with regards to estrogen and the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis), and this in turn stimulates LH (Leutenizing Hormone) and FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone). LH and FSH, in turn stimulate the release of testosterone. Clearly this is advantageous to bodybuilders and athletes coming off of a cycle, and beginning their post-cycle-therapy."

taken from
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199849

 

[njmuscleguy]

clomid does more than just what nolva does

"It also opposes the negative feedback loop that the body has with regards to estrogen and the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis), and this in turn stimulates LH (Leutenizing Hormone) and FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone). LH and FSH, in turn stimulate the release of testosterone. Clearly this is advantageous to bodybuilders and athletes coming off of a cycle, and beginning their post-cycle-therapy."

taken from
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199849

actually, Nolvadex does that too... and it supposedly increases the LH response to the LH-releasing hormone... and besides.... it takes 20 mg Nolvadex to do what 50 mg of Clomid does.. so it makes sense to use Nolvadex

 

[USHP]

clomid does more than just what nolva does

"It also opposes the negative feedback loop that the body has with regards to estrogen and the HPTA (Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular-Axis), and this in turn stimulates LH (Leutenizing Hormone) and FSH (Follicle Stimulating Hormone). LH and FSH, in turn stimulate the release of testosterone. Clearly this is advantageous to bodybuilders and athletes coming off of a cycle, and beginning their post-cycle-therapy."

taken from
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199849

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex, increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (2)(3). The best (rough) estimate I can give you from my research is that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (5)...and this would of course greatly aid post-cycle-recovery. What this means to us is that if you take Nolvadex after a cycle, when you are trying to raise your levels of testosterone, LH, and FSH back to normal, it will greatly aid recovery. In fact, if I were limited to just one compound to aid me in post-cycle-recovery, Nolvadex would be my choice. If you want a comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone, but nolvadex also significantly increased the LH (Leutenizing Hormone) response to LHRL (5), after 6 weeks."

I'm quoting part of Anthony Roberts' profile on nolvadex. I'm not being a smartass but point out what clomid accomplishes that nolva (in regards to pct) doesn't because I'm missing it.

 

[rjkilmer]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=227925

holy crap i stand corrected... i guess this forum is just more up to date
over there they swear on clomid and are extremely hesitant to use HCG in PCT

Im sure all there minds will change after reading all that, changed all my views and now it makes sense, just different from everything i've read but theres actual research behind his post there

 

[rjkilmer]

and i had not gone through alllllllll his new profiles on the site, most but not all of them

 

[tin2]

Nolvadex works good for PCT... fuk clomid and the sides.!!