Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below since ive been on for a while im expecting that my PCT wont fully recover me.....so i was thinking that after 3 weeks of nolva/HCG/AIFM/clen/ZMA that i would do 3 weeks of 10 mgs dbol upon waking and then another 3 weeks of 5 mgs dbol upon waking, and after those 6 weeks i would use a lil more nolva and some Tribulus Terrestris...any thoughts?? would help me recover better (keep gains and not feel like shit)? i will also probably add IGF-1 around week 6 of this long PCT/bridge
PCT/dbol bridge
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im planning on takeing a good year off of AAS, so the dbol isnt really gonna be a bridge as much as its gonna be a part of PCT ( i will use trib/nolva/ZMA after dbol, and HCG/nolva/ZMA/AIFM prior to dbol) ...im just looking to avoid a harsh crash. sometime during my year off of AAS, i will use a little IGF....im mostly looking to give my testicals a year offShinobi said:
macrophage69alpha
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to minimize suppression run 1 pump AIFM per day with dbol.
there is a lot of dispute over the "bridge" and its place in cycling. so you will get a lot of different answers
there is a lot of dispute over the "bridge" and its place in cycling. so you will get a lot of different answers
solidspine
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I have used growth often in the past 10 years, and don't Believe this for a second.
If you are going to bridge.
Do your PCT first, then do your bridge, But Do a real PCT.
The last thing in the world you want to bridge with is d-bol.
The logical choice would be a small amount of test.
macrophage69alpha
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AM d-bol with an AI may be a suitable bridge with minimal suppression, though same goes for low dose test with an AI.
You "can" use it from day one. Most people don't. Most people only use it when they feel like their regular PCT is either not working or not going to work because of the length of their cycle or it's contents. Like if they used tren or nandrolone for a long time.
JKurz1
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I used 250mg test for 15 weeks....my levels have always been low, but I dont want to be an HRT lifer....can I recover if I start it after the 10 days of hcg?
I want the confidence that my levels are at least normal so that I can still continue to eat 4,000 clean cals without having it be stored as fat......
I want the confidence that my levels are at least normal so that I can still continue to eat 4,000 clean cals without having it be stored as fat......
macrophage69alpha
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are you running consistent AI during and after cycles? at those dosages as long as you run aromasin or AIFM you should see almost no suppression. Clomid should be more than sufficient to boost production. You should not need HCG.
though there are variances depending on the pathology of your naturally low test levels.
as a note- depending on above you can typically use an AI to maintain high end natural test production (there are exceptions as noted)
though there are variances depending on the pathology of your naturally low test levels.
as a note- depending on above you can typically use an AI to maintain high end natural test production (there are exceptions as noted)
macrophage69alpha
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yes preferably aromasin or AIFM.
low dose off cycle and low to moderate dose on.
btw- have you discussed with a doctor the mechanism behind your low testosterone or do you have blood work to look over (this can help with reccomendations)
low dose off cycle and low to moderate dose on.
btw- have you discussed with a doctor the mechanism behind your low testosterone or do you have blood work to look over (this can help with reccomendations)
macrophage69alpha
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dont really reccomend arimidex for PCT. Both it an letrozole upregulate aromatase production, likely becuase of their total suppression of sulfatase (though exact mechanism has not been delineated). Because of this there is potential for estrogen rebound when coming off. Also because of thier sulfatase suppression, they are not as suitable for off cycle use.
you can start with dex now but would switch to aromasin or AIFM.
1mg is fine.
you can start with dex now but would switch to aromasin or AIFM.
1mg is fine.
Powerbuilder333
Timeout? No, timeouts are for Plats
I'm trying something new. I finished a 12 week aas cycle last week (the last 4 weeks I lost 18 lbs to make a weight class), and then started talking 10 mg D-Bol in the AM, combined with 10 IU Humilin-R immediately after my 3 power training days a week. After the slin shot I carb and protein (0 fat) load 3 times in the first 5 hours. In the 9 days I've been doing this I've gained 13 lbs and my weight belt is still on the same notch. My full squat strength is at a 5 year high, and my training endurance is at a all time high. I intend to maintain this "bridge" untill 2 weeks after I begin my next aas cycle in Febuary.
Anyone try this bridging technique.
Anyone try this bridging technique.
JKurz1
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Here is my plan: Last EQ inj was 2 days ago and last test was thanksgiving........
1 week later I will hit 500mg of hcg for 10 days, 10mg am dbol, and 1mg of armidex with 1 spray of aifm..........then, on the 11th day, it's 100mg of clomid and 20mg of nolva..........then after the 7th day its 50mg and 20mg clomid/nolva....for 6 total weeks....10mg dbol the entire way through
1 week later I will hit 500mg of hcg for 10 days, 10mg am dbol, and 1mg of armidex with 1 spray of aifm..........then, on the 11th day, it's 100mg of clomid and 20mg of nolva..........then after the 7th day its 50mg and 20mg clomid/nolva....for 6 total weeks....10mg dbol the entire way through
JKurz1
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Using Dbol lowers your test levels...it doesn't raise them. And there is no "hiding" it in the morning because your test levels are higher...your dbol levels are still zero when you wake up...there's no way that the morning dbol theory works...it may allow you to get test levels back to the low end of normal, but ultimately, it inhibits recovery of testosterone...it doesn't enhance it.
that is coming from anthony roberts.......
that is coming from anthony roberts.......
JKurz1
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Taking Dbol does not raise your testosterone levels. It raises your Dbol levels. Also, taking Dbol does not mimic testosterone...it's a totally different compound.
The AM Dbol theory is horrible...if you read any study on PubMed, not a single one shows that Dbol raises testosterone levels.
The AM Dbol theory is horrible...if you read any study on PubMed, not a single one shows that Dbol raises testosterone levels.
Like I said, I'm not going to argue this with AR through you. It's already been done several times. It was all discussed and consensus was reached 3 years ago.
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=702093973&f=3910957431&m=7283057927
http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=702093973&f=3910957431&m=7283057927
blut wump
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Did you miss my post on the other thread? The Dbol isn't there to raise test levels; it's there for its other benefits.JKurz1 said:
To save typing, I'll cut and paste from Ulter's link:
D i a n a b o l
Studies and empirical evidence have shown Dianabol to be beneficial to keep Cortisol in check and provide some intermediate relief from the symptoms of low testosterone via an increase of dopamine, IGF-1, and Central Nervous System stimulation. The heightened dopamine will combat Prolactin and help raise the levels of endogenous Human Growth Hormone. Other studies point to a lack of LH suppression when taken first thing in the morning. It shall be noted that only a low dose is recommended in order to avoid further disruption of the HPTA
Week 1-6: 10mg dbol am, ed
JKurz1
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I'm with you guys just nervous about coming off. Reason is my levels have always been low and I know with low test and a bulking diet, even 100% clean, fat gain is inevitable. Will 10mg of dbol at least keep me in the normal range? How would it compare test level wise to someone taking 100mg/week of test?
