patriotism good, unquestioning sheep bad

[nikolai_bolkov]

That's kinda like how whites have to pay for actions they didn't take. I didn't enslave anyone, especially not you. So don't pin that shit on me.

Give one example of 'paying' for actions you did not do?

 

[DamnRedneck]

is that just north of union county?

Yessir, and just a bit to the east. You know the wherebouts?

 

[spentagn]

Give one example of 'paying' for actions you did not do?

Well, I had to go to time out once when my sister broke the living room window. Other than that, lots of people say the government should pay reparations for slavery. I didn't partake in that, so don't pin it on me.

 

[thebabydoc]

And you're not? Where did that info about prisoners of war come from? post a link.

There were wars between tribes. Captured prisoners were sold to slave traders. The slave trade may have added fuel to the fire, but these intertribal wars existed long before the traders.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter6.shtml

WHO AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE ENSLAVED?

People often became slaves for reasons rooted in local disputes, and
wars; or they became slaves as a demonstration of wealth and power
on the part of a local ruler. However, enslavement at a local level
could often lead to a chain reaction of sales from merchant to
merchant ending up at the coast where the final sale resulted in being
dispatched across the Ocean.

WAR

A large number of people began the journey into slavery as prisoners
of war. The Baganda in East Africa, for example, often went to war with
their neighbours and took Bunyoro and Basoga people as slaves.
With the rise of a large commercial slave trade, driven by European
needs, enslaving your enemy became less a consequence of war and
more and more a reason to go to war. This was particularly so in West
Africa where, for example, the conflict between the kingdoms of Oyo
and Dahomey resulted in prisoners of war being taken as slaves on
both sides and then sold on to the coast.

PUNISHMENT
Some people were taken into slavery as a punishment. The crime
might be witchcraft, theft, or adultery.

Also see...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr4_txt.html

....European traders such as Nicolas Owen waited at these forts for slaves; African traders transported slaves from the interior of Africa. Equiano and others found themselves sold and traded more than once, often in slave markets. African merchants, the poor, royalty -- anyone -- could be abducted in the raids and wars that were undertaken by Africans to secure slaves that they could trade. The slave trade
devastated African life. Culture and traditions were torn asunder, as families, especially young men, were abducted. Guns were introduced and slave raids and even wars increased.

Like all traders at the time, Owen did not capture slaves himself; rather, it was Africans who acquired slaves and traded the captives for various European goods. Sometimes the captives would be prisoners of war. Other times, groups would venture deep into Africa's interior for the sole purpose of capturing slaves.

and...

http://www.blacknet.co.uk/history/Slavery.html

Africans were captured as slaves by other
Africans in the following ways: prisoners of
war, slave raids, condemned criminals,
condemned debtors, persons accused of
witchcraft, kidnapped. In any one region and
time slaves were created by a mixture of these
methods, but one or two tended to
predominate at any time and place. In the
Senegambia, Guinea Coast, and Slave Coasts of West Africa,
war tended to predominate as the most important source of
slaves. In places like Angola enslavement by kidnapping and
condemnation for debts was quite important. Slaves were
almost always captured in situations of conflict. Sometimes,
if a family member learned of the capture of one of its
members, it could bargain with the person who had enslaved
him or her to redeem (purchase) the slave back Sometimes
families traded a slave they themselves owned for a member
of their family. This practice, which occurred in many places
in Africa, was symbolic of the great tragedy of the slave
trade. In order to save members of their own families, many
persons engaged in capturing others.

Thanks for your interest.

 

[gymnpoppa]

So, enslavement was prevalent in Africa, and you say slave traders might have added fuel to the fire? What you're implying is that because tribes enslaved people for crimes before slave traders came there, it's justified (slave trading), and what about those who weren't enslaved in Africa, but captured by slave traders. I see no mention of this in your links. And I'm aware that did happen.

 

[thebabydoc]

Originally posted by gymsuckacocka
So, enslavement was prevalent in Africa, and you say slave traders might have added fuel to the fire? What you're implying is that because tribes enslaved people for crimes before slave traders came there, it's justified (slave trading), and what about those who weren't enslaved in Africa, but captured by slave traders. I see no mention of this in your links. And I'm aware that did happen.

You know what gympoppa? You're rapidly becoming as tiresome as strongchick.

You asked for references, I gave them to you. If you'd like me to give you homework and a reading list I could do that too, but apparently strongchick paid $20,000 a year for that and it got her nowhere. My suspicion is that it would do the same for you.

Yes, there were some captured by slave traders, but the articles will confirm that THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY were not. The slave traders simply did not have the means to go in and "capture" and enslave Africans. They traded for slaves. Hence the name SLAVE TRADERS

The short excerpts I posted merely substantiate that which I STATED, not "implied": that many if not most slaves sent over here were prisoners of war, captured during inter-tribal wars. To say they were "dragged" here, etc, etc... is a pile of shit because
a) as prisoners of war they would otherwise have been killed or eaten, or
b) they would have been enslaved in Africa, under far worse conditions.

What you INFERRED from my statements regarding previous enslavement, justification therof, etc.. is entirely up to you. No one ever said that slavery was right. The Jews were the original slaves 5000 years ago, all we asked for in 'reparations' was the land promised to us by G-d himself!

Since you and strongchick seem to read only the blank spaces between the lines and insert whatever text you'd like, further waste of my valuable time explaining readily available FACTS is of little if no use other than for the amusement of my fellow ECHWAM members.

 

[Bi-Chick]

Well said doc. Liberals get on my nerves at times.

 

[Island Son]

Food for thought....Blacks didn't come here on their own. We were dragged here. So many of us don't have this unquestioning gratefulness

But many did choose to go there. Many still do. Today there are lineups in african, asian, and european countries to go to the US, educated people to be short-order cooks, cleaners, cab drivers, so their children have a better chance. You think as part of a minority you're on the side of the truly oppressed people of the world, and therefore they are on yours. NEWSFLASH: from the point of view of the untouchables in New Delhi streets all Americans are the same, living the dream life.

Ask questions, and then be grateful as you should. The systems of life and politics there ALWAYS DO need your work and vigilance and voice to make them better, but they aren't as broken as you imagine. Not having unicorns doesn't make the world rotten, admire the horses instead.

strongchick it must be tough defending yourself on so many threads..... ask George to start your own forum so I know where to find em all cause i'm a newbie and a lazy sob

 

[RealDeal]

Good comments Island Son. And the suggestion about giving strongchick her own board, well, BAAAAAD idea as we're trying to get it to soak through her head...that large, empty cavity between her ears...that her posts do nothing but piss people off.

"Baaa, baaa, baaa. I'm a sheep & do nothing but follow."

Puh-lease! Most of the people that disagree with 110% of the b.s. you spout are extremely intelligent INDIVIDUALS who all think for themselves.

You just get all bitchy because time & time again, on each & every thread you post, you are ripped a new one and continually prove yourself to be moronic.

Do not put ANY sort of racial tones into this as I am explicitly saying this has NOTHING to do with race, but serves as an excellent observation: YOU have made yourself the black sheep of the boards. You have no one to blame but yourself.