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Owner of Underground Lab arrested!!!

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Well, he sent me an e-mail asking that I not take this public and only inform people via e-mail. But since it's on his own board I'm now taking this public.

If you ordered from a certain DOMESTIC Underground Lab then you may want to CLEAN HOUSE. I'm not sure what records he might have stored so you never know. I know for a fact that they have questioned users in the past for sources getting busted. That is a fact. So it CAN happen.

I'm not going to post the name of the lab and ask that no one else post it either. If you didn't order from an underground lab then you have no worries. I will tell you he sold var and OT though. So it should be obvious for the majority.
 
If he's busted for manufacture they got him in a real tight spot. There's a good chance he'll give them anything they want to get some kind of break. So cleaning house is a damn good idea.
 
Gbus.......you wasted NO time!!!! I respect your efforts in keeping his name "concealed".

Newbies, LEARN a lesson! THIS is the way it's done with CLASS-------not by bashing and playing media!!!! The guy's got it bad enough already.

Props Mvmaxx---------I'm still trying to figure out why you're not a mod?!?!?!?!!?!
 
genarr3 said:
If he's busted for manufacture they got him in a real tight spot. There's a good chance he'll give them anything they want to get some kind of break. So cleaning house is a damn good idea.
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VERY GOOD POINT!!
 
drveejay11 said:

Props Mvmaxx---------I'm still trying to figure out why you're not a mod?!?!?!?!!?!
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No kiddin huh? You'd think with mods like The B:rainbow:uncer and The :rainbow: Alweakling (aka The Almighty) you'd think I'd be a shoe in. :bawling:

:p
 
mvmaxx said:


No kiddin huh? You'd think with mods like The B:rainbow:uncer and The :rainbow: Alweakling (aka The Almighty) you'd think I'd be a shoe in. :bawling:

:p
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I think there's a 200lb requirement for your height if you want to be a mod.:p Better keep lifting :D
 
I understand that the name is already blown out on all the boards, and I see another thread here, as well. So much for keeping it low...
 
panerai said:
I understand that the name is already blown out on all the boards, and I see another thread here, as well. So much for keeping it low...
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if he got busted what is the big deal? we'll see his trial on court tv....i always wondered how big a guy with those resources at his hand would be
 
I wonder if this is related to all the media plublicity lately? This sucks. Now I'm in a killer bind.
-Distanced
 
Well, as others have stated he did sell DNP. He sent me an e-mail a few days ago stating that he got arrested. He asked me to not post it on the boards, thus the reason I kept it quiet about his name. Now it's out on all the boards so it doesn't matter. But I wasn't the one who posted it.
 
mvmaxx said:
Well, as others have stated he did sell DNP. He sent me an e-mail a few days ago stating that he got arrested. He asked me to not post it on the boards, thus the reason I kept it quiet about his name. Now it's out on all the boards so it doesn't matter. But I wasn't the one who posted it.
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what day did he get arrested?
 
nycdefender said:
Most boards are posting that he was arrested on Friday, but it seems that mvmaxx will have the best info.
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He is a mod on one of the other boards and the administrator over there posted that he had been busted...That is probably where the most reliable info will come from...
 
Okay, I'm NOT A SOURCE but I want to ask a question because we NEED to have this conversation here, right now!
The question is this:

What steps should a domestic bro take to keep safe?

(after all, PO boxes aren't secure...)
 
nycdefender said:
Most boards are posting that he was arrested on Friday, but it seems that mvmaxx will have the best info.
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He personally told me he was arrested on Friday night 11/22.

The ironic thing is he lives in NY. He needs help. :(
 
smokinghawk said:
Okay, I'm NOT A SOURCE but I want to ask a question because we NEED to have this conversation here, right now!
The question is this:

What steps should a domestic bro take to keep safe?

(after all, PO boxes aren't secure...)
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Two suggestions:

- Don't ever sell DNP, GHB, Special K or any other "watched" drug.

- Don't open source. (DL might as well have been over on his board)
 
Mvmaxx:
Tried to e-mail you, but I don't know if I was successful. PM me or e-mail me at nycdefender @elitefitness.com if you think your friend might appreciate some legal help.
 
smokinghawk said:
Okay, I'm NOT A SOURCE but I want to ask a question because we NEED to have this conversation here, right now!
The question is this:

What steps should a domestic bro take to keep safe?

(after all, PO boxes aren't secure...)
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How much sense does it make to "have this conversation here, right now" dude??? Come on!:rolleyes:

Mr. DEA man.....get your printer ready because we are going to tell you what steps need to be taken "here right now", so a domestic can stay safe ok??????

Stay off the Boards for openers.
 
Don't deal with other Domestic Sources that will be privy to your personal information, and might not be intelligent enough to dispose of it properly, OR might use it to rat you out.

There. Another obvious one.

Don't use a PO Box, or MBE for payment. I'm not a Source either, but how hard is it for a Law Enforcement Officer to get this, then stake out the Box, to see who shows up to pick up the donation. This assuming that Source is giving that info to anyone who inquires. That's obvious as all hell even to a mook like me, but guys continue to do it that way. Stupid.
 
nycdefender said:
Mvmaxx:
Tried to e-mail you, but I don't know if I was successful. PM me or e-mail me at nycdefender @elitefitness.com if you think your friend might appreciate some legal help.
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You have mail sir.
 
The link wouldnt work, here ya go!

2 Charged in Illegal Drug Sales
Ecstasy, DNP sold over Internet


By Robert E. Kessler
STAFF WRITER

November 26, 2002
Two Long Island men have been charged with using the Internet to illegally sell a smorgasbord of drugs, including ecstasy, steroids and the weight-loss chemical DNP, according to officials.

Jason Sacks, 25, of 359 Blacksmith Rd., Levittown, was arraigned yesterday in U.S. District Court in Central Islip on charges of distributing controlled and regulated drugs.

The other man, Matthew Cahill, 27, of 864 Merrick Ave., East Meadow, was arraigned on the same charges Friday in the same court.

Agents of the Postal Inspection Service and the Food and Drug Administration began an investigation of the two in June. Back then, clerks at the Hicksville post office found that a package that had broken open contained what turned out to be vials of injectable steroids and hypodermic needles, according to federal prosecutors Wayne Baker and Leonard Lato. The package had been mailed by a man who had previously sent numerous similar packages and who claimed to be selling Hot Wheels over the Internet, the prosecutors said.

Although the person who had mailed the package had used a pseudonym, an investigation found that Sacks and Cahill were selling at least $30,000-a-month worth of the various drugs from an Internet site called designerlabs.com, officials said. The drugs had apparently been obtained overseas. At one point, agents, using an undercover mailing address, ordered and received 50 capsules of DNP from the site for $55, officials said. DNP, or dinitrophenol, is popular among bodybuilders for weight loss, but has been banned because of its serious side effects, which can lead to death.

Both Sacks' attorney, Dennis Lemke of Mineola, and Cahill's attorney, federal public defender Tracey Gaffey, declined to comment.

Both Cahill and Sacks face up to 5 years in prison if convicted of the charges.

In a separate case, an Indiana man, who is awaiting sentencing, was convicted in June of selling the DNP that caused the death in 2001 of Eric Perrin, a bodybuilder from Baldwin.
 
"Both Sacks' attorney, Dennis Lemke of Mineola, and Cahill's attorney, federal public defender Tracey Gaffey, declined to comment."

I hope to GOD Cahil (Sldge) uses a REAL attorney instead of some "publidc defender". He better or he's screwed!
 
drveejay11 said:
"Both Sacks' attorney, Dennis Lemke of Mineola, and Cahill's attorney, federal public defender Tracey Gaffey, declined to comment."

I hope to GOD Cahil (Sldge) uses a REAL attorney instead of some "publidc defender". He better or he's screwed!
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No kidding. At $30k a month you'd think he'd be able to afford it. :rolleyes:
 
drveejay11 said:
[BI hope to GOD Cahil (Sldge) uses a REAL attorney instead of some "publidc defender". He better or he's screwed! [/B]
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I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. But I've been a public defender for many years. I am just as real an attorney as anyone else. I have had more than my fair share of acquittals on cases with horrible facts. I help train many lawyers from the private bar in certain areas of practice. I find your comment offensive and vapid. Yes, I do have more cases than a private attorney. That makes my job more difficult. But my clients receive as good or better representation than they would get could they afford their own attorney. I am more than willing to go toe-to-toe with any private attorney on either substantive criminal law/procedure and trial technique.
There are some public defenders who are not good attorneys, just as there are private attorneys who are terrible. I ask that you not perpetuate the stereotype about the ablilities of a public defender.
I try to help out the brotherhood on this board. But it's vapid comments such as yours that make me question the time I devote here.
 
nycdefender said:


I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. But I've been a public defender for many years. I am just as real an attorney as anyone else. I have had more than my fair share of acquittals on cases with horrible facts. I help train many lawyers from the private bar in certain areas of practice. I find your comment offensive and vapid. Yes, I do have more cases than a private attorney. That makes my job more difficult. But my clients receive as good or better representation than they would get could they afford their own attorney. I am more than willing to go toe-to-toe with any private attorney on either substantive criminal law/procedure and trial technique.
There are some public defenders who are not good attorneys, just as there are private attorneys who are terrible. I ask that you not perpetuate the stereotype about the ablilities of a public defender.
I try to help out the brotherhood on this board. But it's vapid comments such as yours that make me question the time I devote here.
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I know DJ and I can tell you he meant no disrepect, nor did I.
I just think the general consensus is that a public defender may not be able to defend someone as well as say a private attorney that has more knowledge of specifics in the case. Example = yourself. I would go to you before any "public defender" as the likelihood that I will receive a public defender that is knowledgeable in the subject of steroids is extremely unlikely.

I apologize for any stereotyping.
 
nyc defender

Unfortunately public defenders have a bad wrap. There are in fact a lot of bozos that are public defenders. There are also a lot of hard working public defenders that put their heart and soul into their work as I am sure you do.

There are a lot of yuppy scum thet work on wall street. There are also a lot of good people that just have a fascination with the market and what drives it.

You can't take what others say too seriously or you will drive yourself crazy.
 
Someone told me that EVERY domestic underground lab gets busted eventually.. period. I guess they were right.

What is the website that the owner of DL is a mod on? I used to have it but I can't remember.. i am curious to see what he says about all this.

And wow.. 25 and 27.. didn't know they were so young. And they posted their home addresses right in that news article!

Brian
 
Zerxes said:


How much sense does it make to "have this conversation here, right now" dude??? Come on!:rolleyes:

Mr. DEA man.....get your printer ready because we are going to tell you what steps need to be taken "here right now", so a domestic can stay safe ok??????

Stay off the Boards for openers.
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Well, what do you think anyone's gonna say? Some huge secret that DEA doesn't know? I'm talking about obvious stuff like "use secure emails," etc. (I know guys who still use hotmail or yahoo for contacts!).

So I defend the post: yes, we need to make it clear that certain safety measures should be STANDARD. If we *rolleyes* at the very suggestion that we advocate security measures, then we'd better not groan when we see guys get taken down.
 
why does the FDA and the postal service investigate? i would think the DEA would be in charge of that? i also am wondering why the hell it took so song for an operation like that to get busted. i mean the guy had people sending funds right to his house? you have to be kidding me. if i knew that i would have gone there personally and got my gear....but on a serious note i don't think the investigators found any actual steroids in their places...this is good news. i wonder who has all the gear and i wonder if they are busted too? i am also wondering where my gear is that i ordered? too bad...
 
Wow I didnt know they sold ecstacy....even the article didnt seem that interested in the steroids, only the DNP and X which is hopefully what the law enforcement officers pursued it that far for.
 
why do they care so much about dnp....you can order it from many chemical suppliers
 
Bros-
My friend ordered from this guy a few times and did something very stupid - he used his AOL account for all of his emails and stuff. He didn't order and E or drugs like that, just juice, but i still figure there's a damn good chance he could get investigated or watched. I had him delete his entire AOL account, format his hard drive over, and clean house. Is there anything else precautionary he should do?
 
IReekofAwesomeness said:
Bros-
My friend ordered from this guy a few times and did something very stupid - he used his AOL account for all of his emails and stuff. He didn't order and E or drugs like that, just juice, but i still figure there's a damn good chance he could get investigated or watched. I had him delete his entire AOL account, format his hard drive over, and clean house. Is there anything else precautionary he should do?
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ahahahhaahah.......not really needed. what makes you think an aol account is so unsecure. if they wanted to see your emails they would go to zipzip corp with warrant and ziplip would give them everything they wanted. the only thing ziplip is good for is people trying to intercept your emails and read them
 
This is why I only deal with the guys who have been around forever...I try to stay away from all these new guys popping up everywhere. I have absolutely NO idea what is going on here, or who this is...and I could NOT be happier!
 
nycdefender said:


I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. But I've been a public defender for many years. I am just as real an attorney as anyone else. I have had more than my fair share of acquittals on cases with horrible facts. I help train many lawyers from the private bar in certain areas of practice. I find your comment offensive and vapid. Yes, I do have more cases than a private attorney. That makes my job more difficult. But my clients receive as good or better representation than they would get could they afford their own attorney. I am more than willing to go toe-to-toe with any private attorney on either substantive criminal law/procedure and trial technique.
There are some public defenders who are not good attorneys, just as there are private attorneys who are terrible. I ask that you not perpetuate the stereotype about the ablilities of a public defender.
I try to help out the brotherhood on this board. But it's vapid comments such as yours that make me question the time I devote here.
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Hey bro, I meant no disrespect whatsoever. My comments were based soley on what I've seen my buddies who have gotten in trouble in the past go through. They had no money therefore got an attorney appointed to them. Let's face it: It's highly unlikely that someone who works for the courts for free can possibly have the same interest in winning the case for his client as one who is paid. I'd also bet he won't have nearly as much experience with "certain" matters as well. I'm NOT implying that just because you get paid makes you any better, I'm simply making a very general statement that I think you'd agree with?!? I was shocked to see that DL made so much damn money over the years and is going to put his life in the hands of a court-appointed attorney as opposed to a specialized criminal attorney for $5,000 or so. We are talking about something very serious here!

Again, I hope you understand my comments. I apoligize if you feel you were targeted here.
 
$30,000/month was a joke. He never made that much and he never sold X. These are words from his mouth, not something thats made up.
 
Big_Dippin said:
$30,000/month was a joke. He never made that much and he never sold X. These are words from his mouth, not something thats made up.
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how do you know what cahill said? i doubt he called you up to talk about this post
 
prophet said:


how do you know what cahill said? i doubt he called you up to talk about this post
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Actually, he posted that on another board. Most now which board that is. If I'm allowed, I'll post a link to it.
 
Guys! I was NYPD and they could not find their own asses with a map. Someone gave this guy up. Most likely because he was busted and took the easy route! There is a criteria to be an informant. It’s a two-prong test where you are directly involved and have also committed an act relative to the information. Someone rolled on this guy. Someone most likely he knew that could get close enough to him.

As far as cleaning house. That’s a tough one. It depends what info they have and if a judge will sign off on it. Don’t get me wrong, warrants are not hard to get but “suspicion” is not enough. Detailed mailing records may be enough. Financial transaction records will be a good case to bring before a judge too. It will NOT happen overnight so if you are a little weary about it don’t just clean house for a week. NYPD loves media and will go after suppliers more than users. This person who rolled got busted doing something as little as selling or possession. Here is another little NYC law. To “SELL” means “give for free, OFFER to give, or actual sale”.

Now I have to jump on something in my defense! The mood on the board now is to keep clear of anyone they don’t know. Look! I am not a FED or a cop anymore. ANYONE who is in NYC when I am working is more than welcome to check me out (MODS included! You’ll know my source by name). I am a friggin networking nerd that feels for all of use because some fuck in the 80s snuck a law in that says you can’t have juice. I have a source (but I admit to buying nothing :) ) but shit, people have to watch their asses and NOT get sloppy. I was popped in the early 90s for some shit that ended my police career. It’s not nice having someone roll on you!
 
BULLSHIT

This is what they said. I still hold to someone rolling!

clerks at the Hicksville post office found that a package that had broken open contained what turned out to be vials of injectable steroids and hypodermic needles
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i don't see how it would have been that hard to find out who it was the address where you send the money to was cahills house. all they had to do was take it from there watch the money and see where it goes. i don't know why the FDA was in on this but they knew who it was and were probably gathering evidence for months
 
i don't know why the FDA was in on this
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Jurisdiction…

FDA and DEA prob involved so they would not fuck the case up.

Their only hope is to get the warrant thrown out so the lab would be inadmissible. If they were making 30K a month they should have had something off site that they could have walked away from when the heat came down. 30K a month doesn’t necessarily mean 30K profit either. Even with this number they could have been clearing only a few grand each.

There are tons of ways to set up shop so the cops can’t set you up. Off site labs, drop sites, couriers, etc etc etc. If this is your “business” then you have to treat it as such!
 
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