Other trainer at my gym says i train wrong?

[the.gladiator1987]

I have all my clients doing deadlifts, squats, bench, basically working them out and using fairly heavy weight too. She never does this to her clients because she says they only care about losing inches, not getting stronger. I explain how muscle burns more calories. And how these exercises burn more calories then sitting at machines. But she insists that I need to start doing more cardio/toning up training. Wtf?

So do I need to start having them go at a faster pace? Seems like i provide the weight training, their diet is up to them (even tho i give them advice and tell them what to eat), and they can do their own cardio

 

[slimjim1985]

thats tough. guess it depends on each persons goal. if they want to shed 100 lbs, put 'em on cardio, if they want to get stronger and shed a few lbs, put 'em on weight lifting. Your one of the few trainers I would trust...Most of them suck and don't know a thing about exercise. Its fuckin' pathetic and I get pissed everytime I see a trainer doing some exotic, sport specific training on a heavily obese lady. I cant stop but have it interupt my training as I stare in amazement.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

next time she opens her mouth, put your fist in it for her.

 

[ExtraMile]

next time she opens her mouth, put your dick in it for her.

lol fixed.

anyway IMO if the clients are happy and enjoying it then keep them doing that, if they are lazy and just wanna do machines, then incorperate some machines into their program. Keep them happy whilst they get results.

Remember though if you take all her advice and train clients the same as her what is it about you that will make fat people want to come to you to be trained instead of going to her?

 

[SaiBoT]

Cardio is needed don't treat it as an after thought and sure you should keep the workouts fresh and interesting or else people get bored of doing the same thing over and over, plus the body adapts and getting results becomes harder...

 

[Bigpimpin10]

Cardio is needed don't treat it as an after thought and sure you should keep the workouts fresh and interesting or else people get bored of doing the same thing over and over, plus the body adapts and getting results becomes harder...

very good point +1290312120

 

[thejohnsmith]

when i joined the gym back in the good old days my personal trainer had me working out with my own weight doing push ups and kinda cardio. i think you are doing good becasue what i wanted when i first started was grabbing the weight not running and doing all this sissy stuff.

 

[timtim]

Cardio is needed don't treat it as an after thought and sure you should keep the workouts fresh and interesting or else people get bored of doing the same thing over and over, plus the body adapts and getting results becomes harder...

if its female clientel, circuit training with 30 to 45 seconds rest will continue to get results which will keep the clients happy which will keep the money coming in.

 

[JDid23]

lol @ "toning up" training

you're doing fine dude- the people who want real results will come to you.

 

[Nomak666]

I have so much info in my head, that if i can "download" it into someone elses, then they would see great results. i go to golds gym and alot of trainers show their clients alot of exercises that i never do. they also superset alot of things, drop sets, and circuit training, because that burns more calories then just doing a set of bench presses then taking a 2-4 minute break. and 95% of the clients DO NOT have their diet in check so burning more calories will give them better results because of their crappy diet. Also, some people think its boring to do a set that take 45 seconds then take a 4 minute break. depends what kind of look youre going for, athletic type look or bodybuilder type look. i personally like the bodybuilder look, but not over 200 pounds. im a big fan of the "202" class in the pro bodybuilding comps.

 

[future]

Depends on each clients needs. Crossfit type training does work well for most. And people like the faster pace. Vary things. Each person is different and so should their training schemes.

 

[wannabemassive]

Mate the first thing to do is put the back of your hand across her face.

The fact is your gaining results with your clients and making ur buck. That client list will start to increase when other gym goers see the results.

Maybe put up a picture and stats of one of your clients on the notice board .

Thanks
Wannabemassive

 

[joe d]

circuit training is where its at for people looking to get toned and fit. squats should be the opener for any circuit imo.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

I do have circuit training, I include deep squats and lunges, jumprope, etc. But Everyone that comes in there is weak so i want to get them strong. I also think circuit training is effective but not every session. I like to do upper body/lower body in 2 days and then the 3rd day do some kind of cardio. Seems like they all need strength training no matter who they are

 

[gstacker]

I do have circuit training, I include deep squats and lunges, jumprope, etc. But Everyone that comes in there is weak so i want to get them strong. I also think circuit training is effective but not every session. I like to do upper body/lower body in 2 days and then the 3rd day do some kind of cardio. Seems like they all need strength training no matter who they are

There should be more trainers like you that gives em what they need and not what they want... I have a friend that's 75%bf that asked for my help so we had a long talk about diet, we went to the gym and the next day he was telling me how he doesn't want to get buff he just wants to loose fat, told him do some cardio in the morning to but it's mostly your diet..... Haven't heard from him for weeks

Anyways if your doing it for a pay check jus tell em to sit on a big ass ball and do shoulder presses with 20lb dumb bells that way they come back

 

[ceo]

Each person is different and so should their training schemes.

This is what people on here were telling you before you paid for that bogus online training cert. bro. Downloading a certificate doesn't mean you have the knowledge. Just because you know what worked for you doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

I really hope you are finding out some history with your clients. Someone who just had surgery 3 months ago and had 2 lumbar vertebrae fused might not be able to train the way you know how to train them. This is what people were telling you about knowing how to train different people.

Also, you say you have everyone lifting heavy? Most people don't give a shit about getting strong and deadlifting 500 lbs. They don't care about benching 405. All most desk jockey office types out there want is to lose some fat and...in their wildest dreams...look like aa Abercrombie model (skinny with abs). You want everyone to be strong. They don't fuckin care about being strong. They want to be able to lift their kids or grandkids over their heads, not a barbell with two plates.

Your clients may be happy right now. I hope they stay happy, and most importantly, injury free. I know I might be sounding like a dick, and sorry if I am, but I remember how you were when you first got that cert. You were arrogant and flippant to people trying to help you. MAybe you've learned since then. There are just a lot of things to think about. Not everyone's the same.

Like future's post about cookie cutter programs, you just can't do it for everyone. Most people here on EF? Sure. Because they have mostly similar goals and are fairly serious about working out. But the average Joe/Judy out there? Hell no. They really don't even want to go to the gym. They see it as something they have to do.


***If all your clients are 18-35 year old males who are healthy and want to look somewhat like a bodybuilder, then disregard this post.

 

[future]

I have a long assessment that I use for each client. It isnt just checking boxes. It's detailed. This helps so much too.

Granted some gyms are very "cookie cutterish" in nature. Thats fine. Even training system CAN be a template in nature BUT you gotta tweak it for your needs or your clients'.

 

[bblazer]

Seriously?

A fucking online personal trainer certification?

Fuck me.

B-

 

[future]

Hell I am not against that. Even the generic certs are ok. I have done ACE and ISSA...currently use IFA. Nothing fancy. I think only something like NSCA is worth it EDUCATIONALLY speaking but as we know its only as good as the person applying the knowledge too.

 

[bblazer]

Hell I am not against that. Even the generic certs are ok.

I would be.

Take for example my Masters in Exercise Physiology. It has value because not everyone has it, and it takes time and work to get one. As soon as it is diluted to the point that $100 and a click of a mouse gets you one, mine and everyone else who worked for it now have a useless piece of paper.

Certifications are what the consumer looks for, and they must be protected for them to have any value.

B-

 

[future]

Well your degree puts you academically ahead of almost everyone so I see what you are saying. I would be a little pissed if people could teach school without a teaching degree...in fact they can in some states.

Good point!

 

[joe d]

thats the shitty part about the industry. you take the 1 good trainer and put him in the middle of 50 shitty trainers and the new guy cant pick the good one. he just picks the one that looks like he wants to look or he picks the pretty girl. then later on he discovers that his trainer didnt know their head from their ass and they would have been much better off learning on their own. as time goes by this happens more and more giving the professon as a whole a bad name. for the 49 out of 50 that are dip shits that is good they get what they deserve but for the 1 that actually does have something to offer like future its shitty. they now have to convince their clients that they can help them because their cert means squat.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

Not my fault they offer them, anyway I think everyone should strength train. Not just do circuits there whole life. There are so many benefits to strength training, especially for the older women I have, like helping fight off osteoporosis.Anyone can do cardio, but they dont know shit about weights.

I know what youre saying, but if people want to change the way they look it starts with their diet. I cant control what they eat. Second is doing some kind of cardio, even tho its not necessary. If you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight. So Sometimes ill have them do circuit stuff, most of the time with weights I have them superset stuff since its only 30minute sessions for each client. And so theres strength training which they dont know shit about, so i usually do that with my clients. I know they dont want a 500lb deadlift, but building muscle is the key to being stronger, more injury-free, promoting bone health and density, and burning calories. So why wouldnt I do that for everyone?

This is what people on here were telling you before you paid for that bogus online training cert. bro. Downloading a certificate doesn't mean you have the knowledge. Just because you know what worked for you doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

I really hope you are finding out some history with your clients. Someone who just had surgery 3 months ago and had 2 lumbar vertebrae fused might not be able to train the way you know how to train them. This is what people were telling you about knowing how to train different people.

Also, you say you have everyone lifting heavy? Most people don't give a shit about getting strong and deadlifting 500 lbs. They don't care about benching 405. All most desk jockey office types out there want is to lose some fat and...in their wildest dreams...look like aa Abercrombie model (skinny with abs). You want everyone to be strong. They don't fuckin care about being strong. They want to be able to lift their kids or grandkids over their heads, not a barbell with two plates.

Your clients may be happy right now. I hope they stay happy, and most importantly, injury free. I know I might be sounding like a dick, and sorry if I am, but I remember how you were when you first got that cert. You were arrogant and flippant to people trying to help you. MAybe you've learned since then. There are just a lot of things to think about. Not everyone's the same.

Like future's post about cookie cutter programs, you just can't do it for everyone. Most people here on EF? Sure. Because they have mostly similar goals and are fairly serious about working out. But the average Joe/Judy out there? Hell no. They really don't even want to go to the gym. They see it as something they have to do.


***If all your clients are 18-35 year old males who are healthy and want to look somewhat like a bodybuilder, then disregard this post.

 

[future]

A great thing I do with news is start with machines. Free weights are harder to corrdinate and can be discouraging. So machines while transitioning slowly to some free weight movements. Also jumping rope or plyos between sets can be great change of pace as well.

If you have questions and want some ideas ask away. Being a good trainer does take SOME creativity just to keep the clients motivated and on the go.

 

[timtim]

Hell I am not against that. Even the generic certs are ok. I have done ACE and ISSA...currently use IFA. Nothing fancy. I think only something like NSCA is worth it EDUCATIONALLY speaking but as we know its only as good as the person applying the knowledge too.

best overall certification is CSCS. not everyone can pass that test.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

A great thing I do with news is start with machines. Free weights are harder to corrdinate and can be discouraging. So machines while transitioning slowly to some free weight movements. Also jumping rope or plyos between sets can be great change of pace as well.

If you have questions and want some ideas ask away. Being a good trainer does take SOME creativity just to keep the clients motivated and on the go.

That sounds good, I try to superset exercises anyway since we only get 30 minute sessions. Thx for the advice

 

[future]

best overall certification is CSCS. not everyone can pass that test.

Yep! NSCA offers that. I looked at some of the text. Ugh. No time to read all of that but really impressive material.

 

[gstacker]

I would be.

Take for example my Masters in Exercise Physiology. It has value because not everyone has it, and it takes time and work to get one. As soon as it is diluted to the point that $100 and a click of a mouse gets you one, mine and everyone else who worked for it now have a useless piece of paper.

Certifications are what the consumer looks for, and they must be protected for them to have any value.

B-

ya that sucks... a friend of mine was thinking bout going to this school and pay 3ok to be a trainer, i was like "why not get a bs cert and work at a 24hr fittness for a min to see if thats what you wana do before you blow 30k"

 

[future]

NSCA Certification: Get CSCS Certified

 

[timtim]

NSCA Certification: Get CSCS Certified

it takes months to prepare for this. pretty serious. it was a requirement in the athletic training facility i used to train at. really helps you identify weaknesses because of the in depth shit they make you learn.

 

[gstacker]

it takes months to prepare for this. pretty serious. it was a requirement in the athletic training facility i used to train at. really helps you identify weaknesses because of the in depth shit they make you learn.

plus you have to have a college degree, so somwhat smart and goal orintated.

 

[timtim]

plus you have to have a college degree, so somwhat smart and goal orintated.

lets not push it now. j/k

 

[ceo]

Not my fault they offer them, anyway I think everyone should strength train. Not just do circuits there whole life. There are so many benefits to strength training, especially for the older women I have, like helping fight off osteoporosis.Anyone can do cardio, but they dont know shit about weights.

I know what youre saying, but if people want to change the way they look it starts with their diet. I cant control what they eat. Second is doing some kind of cardio, even tho its not necessary. If you eat less calories then you burn then you will lose weight. So Sometimes ill have them do circuit stuff, most of the time with weights I have them superset stuff since its only 30minute sessions for each client. And so theres strength training which they dont know shit about, so i usually do that with my clients. I know they dont want a 500lb deadlift, but building muscle is the key to being stronger, more injury-free, promoting bone health and density, and burning calories. So why wouldnt I do that for everyone?

Oh I agree. Some sort of strength training should be done by everyone. But you said you have all your clients doing heavy weights. I know "heavy" is a relative term, but would you take your 65 yr old little lady with osteoporosis and have her start off doing heavy deadlifting? Sounds like what you were saying!

I think you know what I was saying, and I'm pretty sure you know by now that I am not against strength/weight training in some form for everyone. But not everyone needs (or wants) to be lifting "heavy". I'm not going to keep going on in circles about this either. I'll just say I hope you don't end up injuring someone or worse someday.

Study, learn, know what you're doing. Find out about your clients. Know their (musculoskeletal) medical history, including traumas, chronic issues, congenital, etc. Like future, you should develop a questionnaire. Maybe ask him for ideas.

 

[bblazer]

it takes months to prepare for this. pretty serious. it was a requirement in the athletic training facility i used to train at. really helps you identify weaknesses because of the in depth shit they make you learn.

Do they teach you how to shave your head, grow a goatee, and develop a large, well rounded and uniform squatter's belly?



B-

 

[fortunatesun]

Increasing revenues is of primary importance at most gyms. They wouldn't be interested in how effective your program is but in reassuring the consumer out of a long term dollar. This could be partly where this other trainer is coming from.

Maybe bad bro response, but depending on how it is for you at this gym in terms of pursuing a relationship with them, it might be an idea to develop an alternate strategy. A program that works yet is designed to motivate the casual user. If they show an interest, then you can hit them hardcore. I guess this goes back to reading your client and coming up with the right solution.

 

[SaiBoT]

if its female clientel, circuit training with 30 to 45 seconds rest will continue to get results which will keep the clients happy which will keep the money coming in.

Yes indeed. Now that i have my own gym i can say for sure that 90% of the feminine clientel loves this way of training.

 

[Big_BK]

This may not be what most of you want to hear but it is all the truth. Being a personal trainer is all about making money. You need to hound the shit out of people to get sales (unless your gym provides clients for you) and your pt probably does not give a fuck about you. They are there to make money and you are there to give it to them. Most of those fucking tainers have no idea what they are doing and probably never will. Keep doing what you are doing and have them do cardio on their own time. All you an do is provide the information for them to have a better body, you cant do the work for them.

 

[r1010]

I agree that you are doing the right thing with your workouts, I'm looking into becoming a trainer myself and want to train people on this type of workout since its what I feel is the most effective (compound movement exercises).. I used to train this way a while ago, had some health issues where I kind of got away from working out for a little while and now that I've come back to it I am loving the results from doing squats, deadlifts, cleans, etc... however, one thing is I guess you need to explain to the client that they will be very sore after the first few sessions.

I had been doing the circuit machines, just to get back into using the gym again and now that I've started the compound movement exercises the last couple of weeks I am sore all over, but its worth it, just make sure they are ready for it