“Oral masteron” is NOT masteron – from the man himself

[CYCLEON]

After all the posts of nay sayers claiming that our friends orally available masteron was actually methyltest I decided to set the record strait and talk to the man himself. Well after a number of emails, the upshot is this the product is NOT drostanolone propionate (tho his injectable is drostanalone no prop), nor is it the oral form of masteron that used to be in tabs. The chem. structure is 17alpha methyl-DHT and the common name for it is mestanolone.
http://www.steraloids.com/products/A/A2570.html

This is an old E. German drug that Patrick Arnold states is the metabolite of anadrol. Apparently, it is a very strong androgen and binds well to the receptors, with major strength and sex drive gains but not much in size. It also doesn’t have major side effects and has relatively low toxicity (I think but not sure) and very low water retention – basically all of the good reasons for DHT. As for progesterone titties, I don’t have any information – but I have the solution for that anyway Also, I believe it is the substance in Andractim, a gel which is actually being used to up the sex drive and reduce the prostate. Anyway – the man says he didn’t have a name for it initially as his Merc is rather far distant and so he thought that “oral masteron” was a close approximation. So there u have it – good s**t - but not masteron.

 

[Andy13]

The compound on the link is plain old DHT.

Masteron is testosterone propionate with a methyl group on C-2. Dont quote me on this but I think that methyl group will prevent it from aromatization.. Either that or it will aromatise very little.

The compound you mentioned, methyl DHT, cannot rationally be compared to masteron. Most interesting alterations to testosterone happen on ring 1. I mean, most steroids are identical on the other 3 rings. It is suspected that the first ring is the "front end" of the molecule that goes into the pocket of the receptor first... The 4th ring (where C-17 is) is the end of the molecule. That's why it's reasonable to say that a C-17 methylation will reduce AR binding.. Take eq and Dbol for example. Dbol is the EXACT same thing as eq but with a methyl group on c-17. What is the result? Reduced AR affinity.

However, fucking with the first ring on the steroid molecule messes with it's function BIG TIME.

BTW: Neither methyl DHT or masteron are even close to anadrol metabolites. Anadrol is like masteron but it has an aldehyde group on C-2 (and a c-17 methyl group), unlike masteron, which has a methyl group on C-2 and no 17-aa. That oxygen present with an aldehyde group (anadrol) changes the geometry of the molecule significantly


Andy

 

[CYCLEON]

yes it is - I goofed, didnt look at it but ull notice that MESTANOLONE is a common name because basically its just DHT thats methyl-alkylated for oral availablity.

 

[Big Johnson]

Now, if we just had Stew Meat here to translate...

 

[Andy13]

yes it is - I goofed, didnt look at it but ull notice that MESTANOLONE is a common name because basically its just DHT thats methyl-alkylated for oral availablity.

Unfortuenetly, you just can't add a 17-AA and expect it to be the same compound.. Back to my eq and dbol example... Some would say that are "radically" different, though they only differ by a 17-aa.

Andy

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

yeah good info........btw where is Stew????

 

[Dead Man Inc]

so if this substance is DHT, am I right in saying it will give big time hair loss?

 

[Andy13]

But that's the thing... it's not DHT... It's methyl-DHT...

 

[DNP guru]

stew is on vacation and will be back at the end of summer.

 

[Andy13]

Ah man... I thought I was going to read an informative guru post..

Who's stew anyway?

 

[CYCLEON]

the guru who would take the time to tear into yo s**t J/K

Andy first of all I am NOT saying mestanolone is all that similar to masteron at all - go reread my post, that its not masteron was the point!!!! - obviously there is a difference. look at real masteron (2-methyl DHT) or proviron (1-methyl DHT) now just a slight change in these makes quite a difference in effect.

Im also not saying that mestanolone is the exact same thing as DHT once methylalkylated, just that it is DHT that has been methylalkylated Noted is your reference to EQ (1-Dehydrotestosterone) and Dbol (17alpha-Methyl-1-dehydrotestosterone) which is obviously the best apples to apples comparison IMO. Sure its not likely to poses the same AR affinity as DHT itself but what does???? In my thinking, methylalkylated DHT has got to give most everything else a run for its money though as far as receptivity. And that indeed why Im simply saying that it is obviously some potent s**t

no studies I can find for those of you who dont wanna look like kojack.

 

[The Man Child]

I'm just extremely relieved to know that his injectable Masteron really is Drostanolone. Sure you have to inject everyday, but I was planning on doing that regardless, because I'll stack it will Prop. I had always heard horror stories that Masteron was consistently showing up at Nandralone. Of course that was a few years ago, but it still freaks me out. I doubt I have anything to worry about, because chinese products are new to the market.

 

[lynaghgrew]

ive got 50 of these little fuckers.

so whats the upshot in laymans language?

its a good strenght and tone builder with few sides? like anavar?

does it aromatise and inhibit hpta?

basically is it good shit or not?

 

[CYCLEON]

manchild - its definitely drostanalone

lynagrew

its a good strenght and tone builder with few sides? like anavar? ---------------> YES, But as good as anavar, we will hafta wait and see.

does it aromatise and inhibit hpta? --------------> aromatize, no but the verdict is unknown on progesterone sides for those who are super sensitive - inhibit HTPA, I would assume so but how badly, Im not sure this stuff went out of production awhile ago.

basically is it good shit or not? ----------> HECK YEAH

 

[Andy13]

the guru who would take the time to tear into yo s**t J/K

Andy first of all I am NOT saying mestanolone is all that similar to masteron at all - go reread my post, that its not masteron was the point!!!! - obviously there is a difference. look at real masteron (2-methyl DHT) or proviron (1-methyl DHT) now just a slight change in these makes quite a difference in effect.

Im also not saying that mestanolone is the exact same thing as DHT once methylalkylated, just that it is DHT that has been methylalkylated Noted is your reference to EQ (1-Dehydrotestosterone) and Dbol (17alpha-Methyl-1-dehydrotestosterone) which is obviously the best apples to apples comparison IMO. Sure its not likely to poses the same AR affinity as DHT itself but what does???? In my thinking, methylalkylated DHT has got to give most everything else a run for its money though as far as receptivity. And that indeed why Im simply saying that it is obviously some potent s**t

no studies I can find for those of you who dont wanna look like kojack.

I know bro.. Sorry if you thought I meant YOU think it's like masteron.. None of what I had to say was directed at you.

 

[CYCLEON]

andy13 = uneducated but wise

 

[Andy13]

andy13 = uneducated but wise

te-he! Fonz was the original one to call me "an uneducated fool." I don't argue with the guy anymore... I wonder if Fonz tells the auto-mechanic what's wrong with his car, what parts to use, and how to fix it...?

 

[CYCLEON]

he probably tells them how to cast the molds for the parts!!!! "why do we need to order them? we can make them right here in a jiffy in a very simple 63 step process!" oops, better be quiet - he might read this.

 

[Andy13]

Nahh.. he doesn't know much about cars.. But he still knows more than his mechanic. Amazing, isn't it?

It's taken me 4 years of college and a lot of independent research to attain what I know about chemistry. And that little shit still knows more than me! Maybe he can give me a dissertation on time managment... I'm feeling cheated.

Ah hell, what did ya expect from an "uneducated fool"

Heheh.. I really like that (uneducated fool) I don't think i'll ever change it.. Well, maybe I'll credit the author... UThat is, unless he can come up with something better.. Hmmm.. Maybe I should provoke him......

Andy

 

[lynaghgrew]

thanx for the response Cycleon. will check these little fuckers out starting around october and will keep u all posted.

 

[conan69]

hmm interesting...no one wanted to believe me

HA in your faces

 

[Andy13]

I believed ya, conan... (what was it you said again)

Andy

 

[CYCLEON]

nnnnooooooowwwwww - conan, oh elite one, i hate to bring up little nitpicky things like facts but u were saying it was methyltest, if i can remember correctly - not methyl-DHT - ur just going to have to take ur punishment like the very big fella u are!.............hehehe

 

[CYCLEON]

bumpity

 

[conan69]

nnnnooooooowwwwww - conan, oh elite one, i hate to bring up little nitpicky things like facts but u were saying it was methyltest, if i can remember correctly - not methyl-DHT - ur just going to have to take ur punishment like the very big fella u are!.............hehehe

whatever then i said maybe it wasnt methlytest but i said
IT WASNT MASTERON

and a couple people didnt believe me
thats all, sorry i was being an ass, i am not elite by anymeans...just know that there is NO WAY it was masteron

 

[Andy13]

whatever then i said maybe it wasnt methlytest but i said
IT WASNT MASTERON

and a couple people didnt believe me
thats all, sorry i was being an ass, i am not elite by anymeans...just know that there is NO WAY it was masteron

I can't wait till I get to the advanced point in my AAS usage where someone can give me an unknown compound and I can smell it, swirl it around in my mouth and say, with the most exagerated Italian accent "Hmmm..... (short pause) Why that's Turkish sustanon from 1999, lot 254367.... But wait.. hold on a sec... I'm sencing some methyltest contamination..."

 

[The Man Child]

Andy13, I too wish for the day that I can swish some Winny around my mouth and tell you its "born on date" as if I was drinking beer.

Here's a side note: Why does everyone buy "masteron tabs" from our Chinese Guru? If you want Masteron, why not buy his injectable version, like I did?

BTW: Why dosage should I use on that Injectable Drostanolone - no ester?

 

[Andy13]

Andy13, I too wish for the day that I can swish some Winny around my mouth and tell you its "born on date" as if I was drinking beer.

Here's a side note: Why does everyone buy "masteron tabs" from our Chinese Guru? If you want Masteron, why not buy his injectable version, like I did?

BTW: Why dosage should I use on that Injectable Drostanolone - no ester?

No ester? Huh... Every two hours... Why does *he* sell that shit? Esterless eq, now masteron.. It seems to me that the *trend* is "the longer the ester, the more popular the drug..." For instance, T-enanthate is prefered over T susp, Trenbolone cyclehexylcarbonate is prefered over TA......

Andy

 

[conan69]

I can't wait till I get to the advanced point in my AAS usage where someone can give me an unknown compound and I can smell it, swirl it around in my mouth and say, with the most exagerated Italian accent "Hmmm..... (short pause) Why that's Turkish sustanon from 1999, lot 254367.... But wait.. hold on a sec... I'm sencing some methyltest contamination..."

what can i tell you, i devote my life to Steroids, sad but very true

it is evident in every aspect of my life
financially, medically, emotianlly, and even in my relationship

i will probably die bye 40...but that is what i have decided

as for my abilities..no not good, i give my opinion on things, i am not an expert, hell most people totally disagree with me
but what i do know is that

when someone is getting gyno from Masteron it IS NOT MASTERON i would suspect it doesnt take a genious to figure that out, i leave that shit up to the science gurus and the chemists

 

[The Man Child]

Conan what are you talking about?

 

[Andy13]

what can i tell you, i devote my life to Steroids, sad but very true

it is evident in every aspect of my life
financially, medically, emotianlly, and even in my relationship

i will probably die bye 40...but that is what i have decided

as for my abilities..no not good, i give my opinion on things, i am not an expert, hell most people totally disagree with me
but what i do know is that

when someone is getting gyno from Masteron it IS NOT MASTERON i would suspect it doesnt take a genious to figure that out, i leave that shit up to the science gurus and the chemists

People got gyno from that "masteron?" How about water retention? Methyl DHT wont aromatise... Perhaps the 17aa addition increased PR activation.....

If it caused gyno, I'm leaning away from the methyl DHT possibility of this phantom masteron of his.. It could have been methyltest but then again, it could have been a number of things..

 

[CYCLEON]

thats what I was wondering before conan when u said that - I know u dont go off claiming something half-cocked. has anyone u know or did u see someone claim to get gyno from "oral masteron" alone?!?!?!?!!? maybe progesterone gyno or possibly water retention - is this person sensitive to deca??

Andy - im pretty confident tho that its methyl DHT as I found the manufacturer of it (raw) and also - his spelling isnt always the sharpest but he certainly knows the difference between methyltest and other compounds and has not been know to pull fast ones.

I wonder??

 

[The Man Child]

I thought we already established the fact that oral masteron was methyl-DHT, but definitely not Drostanolone, the actual Masteron?

 

[Andy13]

I thought we already established the fact that oral masteron was methyl-DHT, but definitely not Drostanolone, the actual Masteron?

17aa DHT should not aromatise. So the only way you could get gyno from that is if the 17aa increases Pr activation.

Take a look at two 17aa, PR binding compounds: anadrol and winstrol. Both have 17AA, both have additions to ring one. In anadrol's case, it's a hydroxy methylene group, in winstrols, its a more unusual pyrazole group that adds another "ring" so to speak.

Progesterone is the same as testosterone in chemical structure however it lacks the 17b hydroxy, rather it has a ketone group.

BTW , i goofed... Masteron is DHT with a methyl group on it's C-2, not testosterone.

Andy

 

[conan69]

Conan what are you talking about?

i recieved a ton of email from guys that said they were getting bad sides including gyno from ** oral masteron
so i was curious because i know that Real Masteron does not aromitize

so i came to the conclusion that the oral mastron was not masteron, then i did some searches and saw that someone asked him and he said it was methyltest

AGAIN, I DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS
ALL I KNOW IS I DONT TAKE SHIT, UNLESS I KNOW WHAT IT IS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE

so, all i know is i didnt take the shit i was simply passing on info that was given to me via email
thats all

 

[CYCLEON]

The Man Child - thats the point of this - if it can aromataze and cause gyno, it cant be DHT, unless its progesterone causing the gyno. Estrogenic sides would indicate test not DHT. So far I havent heard that from anyone at all and based on the conversations with the man himself and also the manufacturers - my origional statement still stands quite strong.

moreover I have read on parallel threads on other boards where I posted that people who are sensitive to DHT for hair loss are having to use finasteride pretty heavily when using these tabs alone - this stuff is a heavy AR binder, im thinkin. no reports of gyno and many are using it for a standalone or with fina without anti-e's -- so, IMO, its gotta be legit.

Andy - as fast as u type Im supprised u didnt call it estrogen gotta love ya - come out with 4 kickin posts and 4 mea culpas in every thread, kinda like a box o' chockolats -ya never know what ya gonna get

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

gotta shoot the injectable masteron twice a day... all his no ester stuff hits fast, faster than water based suspension (I think this is because in the water base the molecules are able to stick together and crystalize, thus slowing absorbtion).

hell, I just did my second masteron shots of the day an hour ago (in the calves) and am gonna go hit the gym while it peaks.

 

[CYCLEON]

conan we know ur intentions were good - just looking out for the bro's. we were just curious as to where u had gotten ur information but that clears it up - maybe the fellas were stacking it with something or maybe it was deca tits.

 

[The Man Child]

Hey Latts, damn two shots a day? Please tell me they're painless. I haven't received mine in the mail yet, but is the Chinese Masteron Oil or water, I'm guessing Oil, but I'm curious.

 

[CYCLEON]

i just re-read this, darn fine post if i do say so! - dont know who that darn andy13 character is that keeps buzzing around tho