Oprah, Chaz, and Juicing

[Captain FT]

I came home from work the other day and my wife was watching Oprah where she was interviewing Chaz Bono. As I walked in, they started talking about "The Transformation" and said "First it started by taking Testosterone".

I sat there and listened and then turned to my wife and said, "So its ok for a woman to want to be a man, and a doctor can prescribe testosterone, but if a man would like to be more of a man, its frowned upon and we would have to jump through hoops to get prescribed testosterone?"

She agreed it didn't make much sense since both situations are personal preference, personal choice, and in each case "this is how we were born" and we'd like to look different. It shouldn't matter if we feel we are a man trapped in a womans body, or if we are a smaller man and would like to be a bigger more muscular man, each person is not happy with their outward appearance and would like to change it.

I see no reason why cosmetic surgeons or plastic surgeons can not provide men with a cosmetic hormone plan (cycle) to help us achieve that goal. Its no different than a woman wanting bigger boobs, men want bigger biceps or legs. A woman can go have surgery in a day and recover in 10-12 weeks. A hormone plan would take 10-12 weeks of hard work by a man/woman to complete their transformation; the bottom line in both cases are results the customer would be happy with (generalizing here, this is a most likely scenario). It would be legal, safer, and under a doctor supervision, whats the problem?

Discuss.

 

[Smurfy]

I agree little guy.

 

[chaos13]

very well put

 

[musclemom]

Changing your gender goes a lot deeper than appearances. It's not about "I don't like being a ____" it is much, much more. I know plenty of people who aren't crazy about their gender, or aspects of it (probably more chicks than dudes, actually) but if you ask them "Do you WISH you were a ____ instead?" They'll usually say "Well, I'd love to try it on for a few days, but to change permanently? Oh, hell no."

TG people making the change are literally to the point where their lives are utterly miserable because their bodies are almost prisons to them.

As for hormonal enhancement for cosmetic purposes. Let's be honest, there are potential dangers of taking long term exogenous hormones and those can be anything from life threatening to permanently damaging to major body systems (for heaven's sake, just look at the potential dangers of a woman taking birth control pills). But more importantly, the fact is, hormonal enhancement isn't going to work the way it should if the patient isn't going to put the sweat equity in. I could see an awful lot of patients being lazy SOBs who want an easy fix just to have abs, bis and a chest. Honestly, look at how many lazy bastards that come into the AAS forum "ready to take the plunge" and don't know the first thing about proper diet and have a totally piss poor exercise regimen AND even after you tell them, time and again what they're doing wrong, and what they need to do before making this commitment, they blow you off and just keep doing what they're doing, then spend buckets of cash on "supplements" and then don't understand why it doesn't work the way they expected it to and all of the sudden they're impotent, or have no libido, or can't get PCT to fix their gonads.

People are generally too stupid and lazy to have the option to ask for legal juice for cosmetic purposes, it would just leave the doctors in vulnerable positions in terms of liability and consider the ripples that could reach into things like amateur sports, and even school athletics. Hell, kids are stealing their parents prescription drugs to get high now, how easy would it be to steal dad's test to get onto the football team and cover yourself by refilling the vial with something out of the kitchen cabinet?

 

[zwhit]

I came home from work the other day and my wife was watching Oprah

lol...I won't judge you bro

 

[RottenWillow]

Rx diet drugs have a now infamous record for doing harm, yet as a class they still are not vilified. However, androgens for use as cosmetic drugs are felonious. Another example of inequity much like booze being perfectly legal, marijuana getting you jail time.

 

[Strongbow]

Kepping electing liberal ass cock suxers to public office. And he's can be she's, she's can be he's, we can give out free cell phones to every welfare recipient in the hood to make crack deals, but don't you dare give a fuck about how you look cause that's vain. I'll make sure to post a thread before I start shooting mutha fuckers in the street.

 

[Bridger]

I agree that anabolics should be legal and obtainable through a physician if desired for body transformation. The risks can be reduced to some degree.

I disagree with your reasoning based on gender transformation. It may sound simple as you make it out to be, simply waking up and deciding you want to be a chick instead of a dude and they get steroids. But it really is much more complex and difficult. I majored in Psychology and part of a course was learning about TG individuals and the transformation. Without going into too much detail, my memory sucks, a major preliminary qualification for someone who wanted to gender reassignment surgery was to meet regularly with a therapist for a couple of years to demonstrate mental stability. and of course a diagnosis of gender identity disorder must be met. After demonstrating mental competence, they live as the desired gender for a period of time to see if that is really what they want. Then they can elect to take female or male hormones to biologically transform. And the final step is surgery if they want to go all the way. I remember that once the individuals start taking hormones, many are content and do not actually go through with the surgery. Although people can and do travel to foreign countries to have blackmarket operations, in the US it is not a simple process that is decided on a whim by people with fleeting desires to look a certain way. Like many of those who use steroids.

 

[BBR100]

Changing your gender goes a lot deeper than appearances. It's not about "I don't like being a ____" it is much, much more. I know plenty of people who aren't crazy about their gender, or aspects of it (probably more chicks than dudes, actually) but if you ask them "Do you WISH you were a ____ instead?" They'll usually say "Well, I'd love to try it on for a few days, but to change permanently? Oh, hell no."

TG people making the change are literally to the point where their lives are utterly miserable because their bodies are almost prisons to them.

As for hormonal enhancement for cosmetic purposes. Let's be honest, there are potential dangers of taking long term exogenous hormones and those can be anything from life threatening to permanently damaging to major body systems (for heaven's sake, just look at the potential dangers of a woman taking birth control pills). But more importantly, the fact is, hormonal enhancement isn't going to work the way it should if the patient isn't going to put the sweat equity in. I could see an awful lot of patients being lazy SOBs who want an easy fix just to have abs, bis and a chest. Honestly, look at how many lazy bastards that come into the AAS forum "ready to take the plunge" and don't know the first thing about proper diet and have a totally piss poor exercise regimen AND even after you tell them, time and again what they're doing wrong, and what they need to do before making this commitment, they blow you off and just keep doing what they're doing, then spend buckets of cash on "supplements" and then don't understand why it doesn't work the way they expected it to and all of the sudden they're impotent, or have no libido, or can't get PCT to fix their gonads.

People are generally too stupid and lazy to have the option to ask for legal juice for cosmetic purposes, it would just leave the doctors in vulnerable positions in terms of liability and consider the ripples that could reach into things like amateur sports, and even school athletics. Hell, kids are stealing their parents prescription drugs to get high now, how easy would it be to steal dad's test to get onto the football team and cover yourself by refilling the vial with something out of the kitchen cabinet?

excellent post!

 

[musclemom]

Rx diet drugs have a now infamous record for doing harm, yet as a class they still are not vilified. However, androgens for use as cosmetic drugs are felonious. Another example of inequity much like booze being perfectly legal, marijuana getting you jail time.

Oh, I absolutely agree with you and the marijuana vs. alcohol vs. tobacco argument is a case of absolute lack of common sense. I think prostitution being illegal is beyond stupid, too. I mean honestly, you can have it for free but pay for it and now it's a crime?

But steroids for cosmetic purposes? Never gonna happen. There's been too much stink from professional sports, if nothing else. AAS has a bad rap, and it will never shake that. Once an idea becomes entrenched, it's nearly impossible to change people's minds. Just try to tell someone that fluoride is worse than useless in drinking water and has some potentially unpleasant health effects and watch their reaction. You might as well tell them their dear old granny was the village bicycle in her youth.