Opinions on a strange cycle ..

[thenuker]

Please post your training split in that forum for feedback. If your taking recommendations on training from the same people who set up this cycle you can probably make some adjustments that will give you good gains. And, wait for it.....DIET; there, I said it! Diet is your number 1 supplement for building quality muscle. Post your diet as well and we'll sort you out. Now get to the gym!

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day

4 exercises max for big muscles , 3 exercises max for small muscles , 3 sets each " warm ups are not included " , i switch between 10/10/10 sets for a month - 20/20/20 for one week after that month , then i switch to 12/10/8 for another month then do the 20/20/20 for another week and so on.
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I was adviced to keep the same routin while on AAS but the only difference would be adding cardio after all workouts for 25 min except legs days "no cardio+abs days" and hitting abs 3 times a week.
training 3 days on - one off - 3 days on ... etc


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For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

 

[buddhabuilder]

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day


IMO, your hitting tris 3 days a week here (chest, shoulders, and tris). You may want to split it up into a push/pull/legs, or something. Also, change your basic approach every 12 weeks to avoid sticking points. For example, 12 weeks 4 sets/10-12 reps pyramid up, 12 weeks lower reps/more sets pyramid down, the adaptions are endless.


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For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

This all looks like a work in progress. Use the mirror and measurements to tweak your carb intake, and the scale to regulate protein. Maybe add a natty test booster while your fighting your way back to where you thought you peaked before. This will give you more time to research and learn before posting any AAS cycle you may choose to consider.

 

[notjake11]

You also need to incorporate some periodization into some heavier/low-rep work to force your body to adapt. You're almost never working below 10 reps in your set scheme and you should be doing periods where you are hitting your body hard with weights that you're struggling to complete 4-6. Consider inserting a traditional 5x5 program for 8 weeks between some of your higher rep periods.

 

[stevesmi]

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day

4 exercises max for big muscles , 3 exercises max for small muscles , 3 sets each " warm ups are not included " , i switch between 10/10/10 sets for a month - 20/20/20 for one week after that month , then i switch to 12/10/8 for another month then do the 20/20/20 for another week and so on.
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I was adviced to keep the same routin while on AAS but the only difference would be adding cardio after all workouts for 25 min except legs days "no cardio+abs days" and hitting abs 3 times a week.
training 3 days on - one off - 3 days on ... etc


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For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

and you have done this for a while and still only weigh 145 pounds at 20% body fat? this makes no sense.. a lot of guys i have seen post up things like this but they really they just stick to it twice a week. i call them weekend warrior types. remember you gotta stick with it everyday. and I would increase your carbs and calories far higher. stop being scared of calories, you won't get fat on brown rice and sweet potato's.

 

[thenuker]

Thanks buddhabuilder , notjake and stevesmi for all the info and the effort you guys put on reading , analysing and replaying back, i am glad to see some guys helping out.

Stevesmi my friend , if you read the whole thread u will find out that i made a progress gaining 16 lbs natural for the same routin i just posted , also my bf dropped to 15% , but as i mentioned earlier in my first post , i stopped six months without training and without a solid diet , i was eating crap on my off period. Thats how i lost gains and my bf went up and i was only guessing that it is now between 18-21% at the moment i didnt check it yet.

About me and carbs , i see my self bloating when eating 40% carbs or even 30% , thats why i try to put only necessary carbs for energy and a little more for building.
My main problem is my abs and those love shitty muffins lol , i never could get red of them naturaly , thats why i am already consedering starting my gh after one or two weeks from now untill i hit 20-24 weeks of gh , i read alot of nice feedbacks about it , its not a steriod , i know every thing have its own side effects , but its not a steriod and if i kept it low and for a long run i am pretty sure i will see the fat melting away with a small amount of real muscles that will not go away easly. I guess you already know that..

Any thoughts on adding at least gh now? Maybe add anavar with it? I am just curious about adding a small pump untill i hit my peak again before starting any cycle even if it was simple.
Thanks again every one..

 

[StrygwyrBS]

Alright I read through your post and I'm with the other guys here. You're skipping A-Y and getting to Z. I'll just give you some small history about my beginner experience and imo I'm still a beginner when it comes to steroids.

I've been training off and on for 6 years. At the age of 19 and 6 feet tall I was 155lbs (WOW was a skinny! lol). I never thought I'd get anywhere with the training but after 9 months, lots of food and an awesome gym buddy I gained 30 pounds naturally.

I hit a massive plateau at that point. So I decided to be realistic and try some cycles. I wanted to see how i responded to test so I took 275mg test cyp for 12 weeks. I then weighed in at 190 pounds 2 months after my cycle was over. Well It was time to try something worth it so I went in for test e 275 twice a week for 12 weeks. I gained another 15 pounds of muscle that my body kept after a few months off cycle . I experienced water retention and mild acne from the second cycle (no high bp or gyno which is what i was worried about).

You really need to find out how your body will respond to hormone supplementation. Steroids should be respected just like any OTC or prescribed medication out there. It's about responsibility.

I say you start with the basics. Take one of the two long lasting ester testosterones (enanthate or cypionate). I started with a low dose and it worked for me (and gave me peace of mind). But your first real cycle and anyone's first real steroid cycle should ALWAYS be a very minimalist's view of about 500-600mg of testoserone per week. I do not claim to be a professional or have tons of experience, but I do know that jumping to where you described for your first one is dangerous and probably something you will regret. Good luck