Opinions on a strange cycle ..

[thenuker]

Hi all ,

I am a fan of this site , reading rat , i have been reading threads posted for more than a year now , decided to register when i finaly made my mind about my cycle and needed some opinions about it ..

Current Stats :
Age 31
Height 5 6"
Weight 143 lb (was 159 stopped traning 6 months ago and dieting was a mess).
2 years lifting (stopped last 6 months cuz of life activety).
BF : not sure tho didnt check that yet but i think now its between 18-21%
First cycle..
Goal: getting lean gains and cutting fat..
Weight Training plan: 3 days on - one day off - 3 days on again.
Cardio plan : 25 min after weight seassion except leg days.
Diet: will be on check all the time.

coming back strong since my life is getting better and having some quality time to train and diet.

I got the gear after researching and asking around some pro bb's and here is how my plan looks:
10 weeks cycle
Trenbolone acetate 100mg (1ml twice a week - Saturday & Tuesday)
Stanozolo (winny) 100mg (1ml twice a week - Saturday & Tuesday)
Drostanolone propionate (masteron) 100mg (1ml twice a week - Saturday & Tuesday)
Anavar (40mg ed "training days" , first five weeks)
Hgh 2-3 iu 10 weeks ( 6 days on 1 day off ) and planing to continue for another 10 weeks.

Nolva during cycle e3d (since no strong aromatizing compounds)
Legalon70 ed during cycle


PCT After two weeks of last pin:
HCG 1500 iu e5d X3 (or maybe first day after last pin need advice on this strategy)
Clomid 50 mg for 10 days , might add another 10 days so total of 20 if opinions say so.

Any advice or thoughts are very welcomed.
Thanks in advance..

 

[joeblow12345]

Seriously? You've been reading for an entire year and this is what you come up with? It's a complete mess bro all the way around. Your training, diet need to be in check years before you start cycling( no breaks), and you have zero experience with juice and you choose to run one of the harshest ones in existence. Not only is this combo of drugs a bad choice for a beginner but the dosing schedule is wrong and the set up is wrong. My advice is to focus your efforts on learning to eat and train and study proper cycling in the mean time. I'm not trying to be a dick but your in way over your head. And who ever these pros are that gave you this advice don't know shit about using aas. Real pros run a hell of a lot more gear then you listed.

 

[Jbranken]

Ahhhh don't do it bro! This shit is all wrong! Thank god you ran it by us before you went and did something stupid. Everything you posted is wrong lol. I mean everything. As far as dosages, frequency, mixing compounds and the proper use of them is completely wrong. Joe is spot on. This isn't info you will obtain from this forum. You're pinning short esters 2x a week (least of my worries), running nolva along side of tren, hcg in pct, no mention of caber, you're taking the oral wrong, and hgh doesn't yield results for 6+ months...and tren for a beginner is a big no no for obvious reasons--they don't know what they're doing! I like your ambitious attitude but we've gotta take a step back an rethink this my friend

 

[thenuker]

First thanks for the feed backs ..

I knew it was a strange cycle thats why i mentioned that in the subject ..

I first planed my cycle very simple as : test e 300-500 mg/week + anavar 30-40mg/ed for 8 weeks ( or winny in the last 4 weeks ) , but cuz of alot of asking around i got many different openions , i found a bb pro who gave me the strange cycle i posted earlier and he guaranteed best resaults , i realy wanted to make my first cycle so simple but he kept nagging about do it strong or dont do it , just like that , i also discussed with him how come short easters but divided like if they were long ones! He replayed i am advising you with a strong cycle with many campaunds but giving your body a larg break between pins .. Saying since its your first you will see huge results on that and no need to pin for example "winny" ed ..

He showed me a guy who he trained him and gave him the same cycle and his results were amazing.

Cuz i didnt trust him 100% and i wasnt even convinced about that stack , i choosed to ask for advice from the best site in my opinion.

Sadly i already have that gear , should i save it for another cycle? Should i tweak it? Maybe drop something out of it and add something else? What do u guys think?

 

[Jbranken]

Your bro doesn't know shit! You've fallen victim to bro science of the first kind. Don't worry about Tommy Bro No-Nuts...He's going to be having a funeral for his dick and balls in a few years. You aren't giving your body a 'large break' by pinning short esters less often. All you're doing and making your blood levels jump up ad down over and over. This will cause more sides and less gains than anything. Save the gear or sell it to numb nuts. You need to figure out how to train and eat. Steroids aren't a quick fix. Without the proper knowledge and the right amount of training under your belt, you will reap all of steroids negative effects and none of its positive benefits. And wtf is 'do it strong or don't do it?' That dude is a douche and sounds pretty unstable. You have to start out small an work up in the steroid world before you completely fuck yourself up

 

[thenuker]

Ok that sounds good , at least i am pleased that i was right about that cycle lol , about diet and training every thing is good with me , when i mentioned earlier that my diet was a mess i was reffering to the 6 months that i stopped and thats why i lost all my gains , i gained naturaly 16 lb in two yearsbut lost them all cuz my life went upside down .. I am pretty sure that i am ready to start a cycle , i just needed your guids since this forum is specialized in this field .

I am still waiting for an advice about my first cycle that fits with my goal mentioned in my first post.

Do u guys think that i should stick to test e + anavar? Or should i tweak that cycle over to save some of my stolen money on that crazy cycle?

 

[stevesmi]

you have no base my friend. 143 pounds and 18% body fat means you have virtually no muscle on your frame.

if your friend was so smart he would of told you to build a base first.

you need to get back to training natty and fix your diet. look at my pic in my profile.. i'm your height but I am 200 pounds at 13.5% body fat. you should set a goal to get to 170 at under 12% body fat .. then you can start bulking or even cutting if you choose using AAS.

 

[kubes]

At 143 lbs bro you can achieve all of your goals with nutrition alone. If you were to use gear now you would be robbing yourself out of gains down the road. You need to try and come close to your genetic potential before using gear

 

[buddhabuilder]

Please post your training split in that forum for feedback. If your taking recommendations on training from the same people who set up this cycle you can probably make some adjustments that will give you good gains. And, wait for it.....DIET; there, I said it! Diet is your number 1 supplement for building quality muscle. Post your diet as well and we'll sort you out. Now get to the gym!

 

[thenuker]

At 143 lbs bro you can achieve all of your goals with nutrition alone. If you were to use gear now you would be robbing yourself out of gains down the road. You need to try and come close to your genetic potential before using gear

Well i stopped gaining when i hit 159 lb that was almost 4 months before i stopped training, i think thats my limit , maybe i should just wait untill i hit that figure again or at least start taking hgh since i should take it for at leas six months.. Still thinking about it tho

 

[thenuker]

Please post your training split in that forum for feedback. If your taking recommendations on training from the same people who set up this cycle you can probably make some adjustments that will give you good gains. And, wait for it.....DIET; there, I said it! Diet is your number 1 supplement for building quality muscle. Post your diet as well and we'll sort you out. Now get to the gym!

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day

4 exercises max for big muscles , 3 exercises max for small muscles , 3 sets each " warm ups are not included " , i switch between 10/10/10 sets for a month - 20/20/20 for one week after that month , then i switch to 12/10/8 for another month then do the 20/20/20 for another week and so on.
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I was adviced to keep the same routin while on AAS but the only difference would be adding cardio after all workouts for 25 min except legs days "no cardio+abs days" and hitting abs 3 times a week.
training 3 days on - one off - 3 days on ... etc


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For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

 

[buddhabuilder]

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day


IMO, your hitting tris 3 days a week here (chest, shoulders, and tris). You may want to split it up into a push/pull/legs, or something. Also, change your basic approach every 12 weeks to avoid sticking points. For example, 12 weeks 4 sets/10-12 reps pyramid up, 12 weeks lower reps/more sets pyramid down, the adaptions are endless.


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For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

This all looks like a work in progress. Use the mirror and measurements to tweak your carb intake, and the scale to regulate protein. Maybe add a natty test booster while your fighting your way back to where you thought you peaked before. This will give you more time to research and learn before posting any AAS cycle you may choose to consider.

 

[notjake11]

You also need to incorporate some periodization into some heavier/low-rep work to force your body to adapt. You're almost never working below 10 reps in your set scheme and you should be doing periods where you are hitting your body hard with weights that you're struggling to complete 4-6. Consider inserting a traditional 5x5 program for 8 weeks between some of your higher rep periods.

 

[stevesmi]

My original training split was: ( i decided to do that on my own )
Day1: chest+biceps
Day2: legs
Day3: cardio+abs
Day4: back+ traps + triceps
Day5: shoulders+forearms
Day6: cardio+abs
Day7: rest day

4 exercises max for big muscles , 3 exercises max for small muscles , 3 sets each " warm ups are not included " , i switch between 10/10/10 sets for a month - 20/20/20 for one week after that month , then i switch to 12/10/8 for another month then do the 20/20/20 for another week and so on.
-----------------
I was adviced to keep the same routin while on AAS but the only difference would be adding cardio after all workouts for 25 min except legs days "no cardio+abs days" and hitting abs 3 times a week.
training 3 days on - one off - 3 days on ... etc


-----------------
For my diet : i eat 5-7 meals every 2-3 hours lncluding two shakes ( one first thing in the morning carb+protien shake the other pre workout only protien ) some times i add cassien before bed time, no carbs after 3 pm (90% of my workouts are in the morning) , no sugar , minimum salt , protien is the primary , chicken breasts , salamon , lean meat , egg whites , some veggis , some fruits. Carbs only whole weats , brown rice and the veggi's.

Supplements are : protien "zero fat", carb powder with my first shake "zero sugar and fat" , amino or bcaa, multi's , fish oil , some times post drinks that have caffeine , some times creatin pre workout.

Thats almost every thing ..

and you have done this for a while and still only weigh 145 pounds at 20% body fat? this makes no sense.. a lot of guys i have seen post up things like this but they really they just stick to it twice a week. i call them weekend warrior types. remember you gotta stick with it everyday. and I would increase your carbs and calories far higher. stop being scared of calories, you won't get fat on brown rice and sweet potato's.

 

[thenuker]

Thanks buddhabuilder , notjake and stevesmi for all the info and the effort you guys put on reading , analysing and replaying back, i am glad to see some guys helping out.

Stevesmi my friend , if you read the whole thread u will find out that i made a progress gaining 16 lbs natural for the same routin i just posted , also my bf dropped to 15% , but as i mentioned earlier in my first post , i stopped six months without training and without a solid diet , i was eating crap on my off period. Thats how i lost gains and my bf went up and i was only guessing that it is now between 18-21% at the moment i didnt check it yet.

About me and carbs , i see my self bloating when eating 40% carbs or even 30% , thats why i try to put only necessary carbs for energy and a little more for building.
My main problem is my abs and those love shitty muffins lol , i never could get red of them naturaly , thats why i am already consedering starting my gh after one or two weeks from now untill i hit 20-24 weeks of gh , i read alot of nice feedbacks about it , its not a steriod , i know every thing have its own side effects , but its not a steriod and if i kept it low and for a long run i am pretty sure i will see the fat melting away with a small amount of real muscles that will not go away easly. I guess you already know that..

Any thoughts on adding at least gh now? Maybe add anavar with it? I am just curious about adding a small pump untill i hit my peak again before starting any cycle even if it was simple.
Thanks again every one..

 

[StrygwyrBS]

Alright I read through your post and I'm with the other guys here. You're skipping A-Y and getting to Z. I'll just give you some small history about my beginner experience and imo I'm still a beginner when it comes to steroids.

I've been training off and on for 6 years. At the age of 19 and 6 feet tall I was 155lbs (WOW was a skinny! lol). I never thought I'd get anywhere with the training but after 9 months, lots of food and an awesome gym buddy I gained 30 pounds naturally.

I hit a massive plateau at that point. So I decided to be realistic and try some cycles. I wanted to see how i responded to test so I took 275mg test cyp for 12 weeks. I then weighed in at 190 pounds 2 months after my cycle was over. Well It was time to try something worth it so I went in for test e 275 twice a week for 12 weeks. I gained another 15 pounds of muscle that my body kept after a few months off cycle . I experienced water retention and mild acne from the second cycle (no high bp or gyno which is what i was worried about).

You really need to find out how your body will respond to hormone supplementation. Steroids should be respected just like any OTC or prescribed medication out there. It's about responsibility.

I say you start with the basics. Take one of the two long lasting ester testosterones (enanthate or cypionate). I started with a low dose and it worked for me (and gave me peace of mind). But your first real cycle and anyone's first real steroid cycle should ALWAYS be a very minimalist's view of about 500-600mg of testoserone per week. I do not claim to be a professional or have tons of experience, but I do know that jumping to where you described for your first one is dangerous and probably something you will regret. Good luck