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Open Season on Disabled, Gays and Opposite sex.. Feel free to Hate them all

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WASHINGTON. (AP) - The Senate on Tuesday dealt a major setback to a bill that would make violent attacks based on victims' sexual orientation or disabilities a federal hate crime.

The measure would add crimes motivated by gender, sexual orientation and disability to the list of offenses already covered under a 1968 hate-crimes law that prohibits attacks based on race, religion or national origin.

Senate Republican Leader Trent Lott of Mississippi suggested the Senate should be working on terrorism prevention instead of hate crimes.

"The greatest hate crime of all, which we should be dealing with right now, is the hate crime of terrorism against America," Lott said.

"We ought to be fighting terror here at home," said Kennedy, a longtime champion of the bill. "That's what this is all about."

Current federal law allows only race, color, religion or national origin to be the basis of a federal hate-crime case, and the covered offenses are limited to crimes committed against a person engaged in one of six federally protected activities, such as voting or going to school.

Gays and lesbians, as well as the disabled, deserve the same protection, Smith said.

"It does seem to me that government's business is not to pick between who among its citizens it will defend, but that under the banner of equal protection and due process, we defend all citizens because as our founding document make clear, we are created equally," Smith said.
 
I believe that is the agrument the GOP is making why they did not want to pass this...

Why should the fed's say who it is illegal to hate and who isn't
 
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White man attacks white man = Assault = 3 years in prison

Black man attacks black man = Assault = 3 years in prison

Black man attacks white man = Assault = 3 years in prison

White man attacks black man = Hate Crime = 20+ years in prison




All crimes deserve equal treatment. To classify any group and say that attacking them carries stiffer penalties goes against the Declaration of Independence. Remember this... "All men are created equal..."
 
So I can keep on wacking disabled hermaphrodites (It's a hobby), without fear or worry of recrimination?
 
I'd be curious what else was on the bill, if anything.

they are notorious for trying to submarine really sleazy shit into bills that have things like this - and then when it doesn't go through, pass off this part to the press and they go wild saying how wrong it is and totally over look the fact that the sleazy shit was blocked, which is good.

not saying that is the case here - just curious.
 
nordstrom said:
who the fuck commits hate crimes against disabled people? I must have missed that boat.

they put up less of a fight.

what about the guy in Rochester that got the chick in a coma pregnant? now that is classy.
 
HappyScrappy said:


they put up less of a fight.

what about the guy in Rochester that got the chick in a coma pregnant? now that is classy.


hmmmm. I don't know about that. thats not really a hate crime, that is forbidden love. I am ok with stuff like that.
 
good, as long as the gays stay in the closet then they shouldnt have any troubles with hate crimes.
 
If the law already provides protection for people of color and Christians, why should it not be extended to women and gay people?

In any case, there are separate hate crimes statutes in many states that already do cover gender and sexual orientation. Big surprise that Dubya's gubmint is lagging the states. Maybe Ashcroft will try to overturn states' hate crime provisions the way he tried to overturn state-sanctioned assisted death.
 
Yes MB, the State's laws were referenced as the way to go vs new Federal ones.


As far as extending the current federal law they said "where would it end. people with blue eyes vs brown" etc etc..

The full article at rueters was interesting and the porponents said they would submit it again as part of a National Defense Bill coming up...
 
musclebrains said:
If the law already provides protection for people of color and Christians, why should it not be extended to women and gay people?



why are those things good? why should a crime have 2x the penalty just because it violates the status quo? a crimes punishment should be proportional to the suffering it inflicts on the innocent. You also have to take into account that the 'burden of proof' that something was really a hate crime isn't much.

Who commits hate crimes against women, or handicapped people? i must be missing something.

why is hate crime legislation necessary to protect gays? assault & battery is still assault & battery, either with or without hate crime legislation.
 
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