one more first cycle question and beginner

[me1702]

Dear member,

after weeks or longer off thoughts should I or shouldn't and plenty off readings I decided to start my first try and like to share with you my first cycle.

Firstly, one reason I try, my testosterone level is very low, yet my last blood work and health check is everything pretty perfect and I dropped around 40kg in fat in the last 1,5 years.

My goal: cutting the last 4% body fat and gain some quality muscles

Stats:
46 years
90 kg
183cm (6.0inch)
14% body fat
4 years gym experience

Cal goal: 3000 cal/day

Prot 50%
fat 30%
carbs 20%
carbs primarily after leg and back workout!

program:
Hypertrophy style, Charles Poliquin fan with 2-3 times a week back, chest or legs. During T phase (4 weeks legs, then back off legs while 4 weeks twice back and so on). I try overreaching for my weak body parts.


Cutting start:
week 1-12 300mg twice a week Enan 300mg (Monday and Friday)
week 1-8 Oxy 100, 200mg split monday to thursday
week 1-12 50mg proviron per day

Here is my first problem, seems I can not get any AI and use provision, yet not sure if this is really helpful and does this prevent me from starting a cycle?


PCT:
Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

Trying to get HCG, but in Singapore no easy to get. I will be in March in the US for two weeks or try to get it in Bangkok.

Additional cutting help with Clen (can get T3 and T4 as well), start during PCT?:
week 1-2 Clen 40mg
week 3-6 Clen 80mg
week 7 Clen 40mg
week 8 Clen 20mg

What you guys think, any advice?

This is based on what I can get in Singapore and based on my research.

Thanks and happy new year

 

[Hulksmash4]

I wouldn't touch Clen. If you do 2 weeks on, do 2 weeks off. Probably 2 weeks max. The stuff is lethal. I'd keep it on a low dose thru-out. Cycle and PCT looks good to me. I'm just no fan of Clen. Id look for some Anavar or Winstrol if I were you. You can thank me later.

 

[Brapbrap07]

That Clomid amount is wayyyy to high the first go around.

learn and apply

 

[Shrine1]

Option 1
Drop the clen bro.. its garbage. Since its your first run of AAS I would run test only. You would be amazed at the results you get with that. If you are eating right and training hard you can really accomplish alot with test. I would substitute the clen with GW in that scenario.

Option 2
I would run a Sarms1 triple stack. Not only will you drop alot of bf, but it will introduce your body to AAS. I dropped 5% bf with just ostarine! The triple stack includes GW501516, Ostarine and S4. You can expect to cut body fat, improve endurance and recover time emensley, build lean body mass, recomp, and really improve strength. Best part about it is you LH and FSH are barely effected, effected at all and the suppression is minimum at best. This is a better option for you and I think you will be extremely happy with this choice

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[me1702]

thanks everybody and will take your advice and change accordantly

I have one more thought, should I kick start with oxy 200mg per week 2 weeks before I introduce the test cycle?

 

[me1702]

up, hope to get some more input

Maybe some feedback concerning a kick start with oxy for 2 weeks before I start my cycle.

 

[Arabian]

Since this is your'e first cycle, I would keep it simple and do a 12 week Test E and Anavar. That combination is a very effective and simple combination. Remember? This is your'e first cylcle and your'e receptors are fresh and you do not need a lot of gear to obtain results.

Week 1-12
Test E 250 to 500 per week divided in 2 shots , Sunday and Thursday etc:
Week 1-4 or 6
Anavar 40 to 50 mgs per day

 

[me1702]

Thanks Arabian,

assuming I should use AI and PCT as suggested?

Frankly I have everything but will not start until I feel convertible to start, health, family and my career is more important.

One more question I haven't seen in any forum, what about your performance outside the gym, can you still be alert and performing during your job, any mood changes? As recovery is important, any issue with insomnia?

 

[Arabian]

Thanks Arabian,

assuming I should use AI and PCT as suggested?

Frankly I have everything but will not start until I feel convertible to start, health, family and my career is more important.

One more question I haven't seen in any forum, what about your performance outside the gym, can you still be alert and performing during your job, any mood changes? As recovery is important, any issue with insomnia?

As far as your'e AI, only use one if you have symptoms. With just using Test/Var you will be fine and it will not affect your sleep rhythm or cause any issues. As you know, Test creates a sense of well being so its beneficial as far as your mood etc: The only thing I have ever run that has affected my mood is Tren and I will not run that again. As far as your'e PCT, there are numerous regimes that you can follow and that is entirely up to you. I would search PCT and make your'e on conclusion on that. I have gifted you a platinum membership to make your research here on the site more convenient for you. Be sure you research what you are putting in your'e body, before hand and have a good grasp of your'e diet and training down before starting any cycle. I wish you luck and if you need anything , please feel free to pm me or any other mod and we will assist you. Welcome to Elite Fitness and best of luck with your'e training...

The user 'me1702' has been gifted a platinum membership

 

[me1702]

thanks for the gift ,its christmas again

Will take your advice and start my research right after my breakfast (nuts, greens and organic grass feed tenderloin)

 

[me1702]

after some more reading and your input I come up with this:

Cutting start:
week 1-2 Oxy M50 200mg split monday to thursday
week 3-14 300mg twice a week Enan 300mg (Monday and Friday)
week 3-4 Oxy M50, 200mg split monday to thursday
week 3-14 50mg proviron per day
week 1-14 arimidex 0,5mg ED
week 12-14 HCG E4D 500ui

two weeks break then PCT

PCT:
week 17 Clomid 75mg + Nolva 40mg
week 18 Clomid 50mg + Nolva 20mg
week 19 Clomid 50mg or Nolva 20mg
week 20 Clomid 50mg + Nova 20mg

fat burning with PCT. I ordered SARM (GW), but lest see if I get it through custom here in Singapore :
week 1-2 Clen (not sure yet) 40mg
week 3-6 Clen (not sure yet) 80mg
week 7 Clen (not sure yet) 40mg
week 8 Clen (not sure yet) 20mg

Thoughts? Not started yet with the cycle, still have my re-loading week due to my off and super compensation in November and holidays.

 

[Shrine1]

I personally like var are the backend of the cycle. It will clean up gains and really cut you up in the end

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[me1702]

thanks Shrine1, lots off people recommend Var, yet I think I take enough in my body during the cycle

 

[Shrine1]

Good for you bro.. im a fan of keeping it simple. Hell, you can accomplish alot off just test

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[me1702]

yeah man, can't wait to start, one more week , just need to end my re-loading phase

 

[me1702]

took your a dive and replaced oxy with var , thanks all...seems to get a good solid cycle...cant wait to start.

Just one more thing....considering my 14% bf, should I go for cutting first, truly will benefit from cutting down 3-4% in lets say 1,5-2 month.

 

[me1702]

I guess thats it and start next week Friday latest:

1-12: Test e: 300mg Monday, Thursday. 600mg/wk total.
1-4: Var: 200mg over 4 days a week
1-13: hCG: 250iu x2 week. Every 3.5 days.
1-12: 50mg proviron per day
1-14: aDex: 0.25mg every other day ( Increase to .50 eod if needed)
NAC liver support 600mg week 1 till the end of PCT

PCT:
week 17 Clomid 75mg + Nolva 40mg
week 18 Clomid 50mg + Nolva 20mg
week 19 Clomid 50mg or Nolva 20mg
week 20 Clomid 50mg + Nova 20mg
gw to support some fat lost during pct. I hope custom in Singapore doesn't confiscate the bottle. If yes I need to reorder and sent it to my Hotel in Miami when I am on leave

training will be wave loading in the morning for strengths and 4-6h later hypertrophy for size specialisation for chest, legs and back each cycle 4 weeks max

Any last words from you guys?

 

[RickRock13]

Var needs to be ran every day at 50-70mg per day for 4-6 weeks to kickstart your cycle. HCG should only be used as a kickstart to your PCT, not the whole cycle. I would throw in some N2guard for your cycle support on cycle as well.

Your PCT needs more than just SERMS in it. Add some Test Stack 17 to it to help your recovery and libido post cycle. This is crucial to restore your HPTA. Here are some discount codes and a link where they are valid for it, as well as an informational thread if you want to learn more.

Buy 2 get 1 free -GET1FREE

20% off-HZI7WTBZ

http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

 

[fitnessgalosn00b]

Since this is your'e first cycle, I would keep it simple and do a 12 week Test E and Anavar. That combination is a very effective and simple combination. Remember? This is your'e first cylcle and your'e receptors are fresh and you do not need a lot of gear to obtain results.

Week 1-12
Test E 250 to 500 per week divided in 2 shots , Sunday and Thursday etc:
Week 1-4 or 6
Anavar 40 to 50 mgs per day

Remember? This is your'e first cylcle and your'e receptors are fresh and you do not need a lot of gear to obtain results.


That's the first thing I thought. Var and Test will do wonders and ruining your receptors in the very beginning will only lead to over usage of gear down the road.

You've been this patient......keep being patient and stick with the Var and Test.


Fit Gal

 

[Brapbrap07]

I want to be platinum lol

learn and apply

 

[me1702]

Remember? This is your'e first cylcle and your'e receptors are fresh and you do not need a lot of gear to obtain results.


That's the first thing I thought. Var and Test will do wonders and ruining your receptors in the very beginning will only lead to over usage of gear down the road.

You've been this patient......keep being patient and stick with the Var and Test.


Fit Gal

Hi Fat Gal,

Thanks for your advice, thought I don't use anything then test and var, rest is AI and keep my test production inline, right?
Adex is AI

 

[me1702]

Var needs to be ran every day at 50-70mg per day for 4-6 weeks to kickstart your cycle. HCG should only be used as a kickstart to your PCT, not the whole cycle. I would throw in some N2guard for your cycle support on cycle as well.

Your PCT needs more than just SERMS in it. Add some Test Stack 17 to it to help your recovery and libido post cycle. This is crucial to restore your HPTA. Here are some discount codes and a link where they are valid for it, as well as an informational thread if you want to learn more.

Buy 2 get 1 free -GET1FREE

20% off-HZI7WTBZ

http://w3.teststackrx.com/102.html

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

Thanks Rick,

I use clomid and Nova for PTC and not just serms, gw is just for some fat lost.

 

[northernknight]

I guess thats it and start next week Friday latest:

1-12: Test e: 300mg Monday, Thursday. 600mg/wk total.
1-4: Var: 200mg over 4 days a week
1-13: hCG: 250iu x2 week. Every 3.5 days.
1-12: 50mg proviron per day
1-14: aDex: 0.25mg every other day ( Increase to .50 eod if needed)
NAC liver support 600mg week 1 till the end of PCT

PCT:
week 17 Clomid 75mg + Nolva 40mg
week 18 Clomid 50mg + Nolva 20mg
week 19 Clomid 50mg or Nolva 20mg
week 20 Clomid 50mg + Nova 20mg
gw to support some fat lost during pct. I hope custom in Singapore doesn't confiscate the bottle. If yes I need to reorder and sent it to my Hotel in Miami when I am on leave

training will be wave loading in the morning for strengths and 4-6h later hypertrophy for size specialisation for chest, legs and back each cycle 4 weeks max

Any last words from you guys?

Clomid and Nolva are SERMS. You are probably getting confused with terms SARM and SERM, completely different things... and btw even GW-50 is not a SARM, (it's PPAR Agonist) even though people insist on calling it one for some reason.
Research the terminology a bit more, and you will eventually get a hang of it. At least you know what an AI is, and are using one, that alone puts you miles ahead of most people posting their first cycle layouts here.

IMO your cycle looks pretty good, great choice to ditch Clen and switch Oxys to Var. Your first plan to run Oxys (especially for that long) on your first cycle didn't look good, it would have been very harsh cycle, that you planned to start with.

I would still change some things though:
- You don't need to run that much Test, start from 350-400 mgs @ week. If you feel it's necessary you can bump it upwards mid cycle, and run it a bit higher on the second half of your cycle.
- Run Var everyday @ 40-80 mgs depending on the quality of it (start low and up you dose if you feel it's necessary).
- You don't need to run HCG throughout the whole cycle. Blast it 250 IUs EOD on weeks 6-7 and 11- Beginning of PCT.
- Add Aromasin to your PCT.
- Get some cycle support supps (ie. N2Guard/Damage Control/Cycle Support, Lipid Stabil, and Aegis/TUDCA).
- Consider adding also Ostarine to your PCT, GW-50 is great for both fat loss and anti-catabolic effects, Ostarine would compliment it greatly and add to both.
- Add some natty Test boosters of your choosing to your PCT. (I like Hcgenerate and Unleashed, but I'm on TRT, so I don't like to advice or comment peoples PCT very extensively)


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[me1702]

Clomid and Nolva are SERMS. You are probably getting confused with terms SARM and SERM, completely different things... and btw even GW-50 is not a SARM, (it's PPAR Agonist) even though people insist on calling it one for some reason.
Research the terminology a bit more, and you will eventually get a hang of it. At least you know what an AI is, and are using one, that alone puts you miles ahead of most people posting their first cycle layouts here.

IMO your cycle looks pretty good, great choice to ditch Clen and switch Oxys to Var. Your first plan to run Oxys (especially for that long) on your first cycle didn't look good, it would have been very harsh cycle, that you planned to start with.

I would still change some things though:
- You don't need to run that much Test, start from 350-400 mgs @ week. If you feel it's necessary you can bump it upwards mid cycle, and run it a bit higher on the second half of your cycle.
- Run Var everyday @ 40-80 mgs depending on the quality of it (start low and up you dose if you feel it's necessary).
- You don't need to run HCG throughout the whole cycle. Blast it 250 IUs EOD on weeks 6-7 and 11- Beginning of PCT.
- Add Aromasin to your PCT.
- Get some cycle support supps (ie. N2Guard/Damage Control/Cycle Support, Lipid Stabil, and Aegis/TUDCA).
- Consider adding also Ostarine to your PCT, GW-50 is great for both fat loss and anti-catabolic effects, Ostarine would compliment it greatly and add to both.
- Add some natty Test boosters of your choosing to your PCT. (I like Hcgenerate and Unleashed, but I'm on TRT, so I don't like to advice or comment peoples PCT very extensively)


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Thanks so much. I am trying to incorporate all you guys have recommend and try to use my own brain of course -.

Let me check what I get here in Singapore. If not, I can get the stuff online in Miami in March and can order online most off it.

I am not crazy, and don't need to do a cycle, yet with 46..,almost 47 and very low test, I can use some help -

 

[me1702]

An update concerning my first cycle.

I don't have enough time anymore to start a full 12 month cycle and I think I don't have yet the desired bf level to fully utilize a cycle with test, so I go with a short 6-8 weeks SARMS cycle as recommended on this forum before I go on leave.
Will start with my test after my vacation in April.

Not easy to resist, all the good stuff is at home and just waiting to get started.

Got everything together for a SARMS cycle and started this morning.

Thanks again for all your suggestions and help.

Will keep you posted how it goes

 

[me1702]

5th day using SARMS triple stack and like to share with you my work out routine

My goal is fat lost until march, vacation and after first test cycle:

my routine 2 days-off-2 days-off and so on, basically I use Poliquins German Body Composition program with some modification

Day one all 4 sets with 4010 tempo:

A1: Split Squats front food elevated, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
A2: side step ups, 15-20 reps
60 sec rest
A3: Chest Dips, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
A4: chest flyes, 10-12 reap
60 rest

B1: squat machine, 6-8 resp
10 sec rest
B2: leg press, 10-12 reps
60 sec rest
B3: French press sitting, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
B4: bench press inner rotation, 10-12 reps

day 2:

A1: lying leg curls, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
A2: Romanien deadifts, 10-12 resp
60 sec rest
A3: standing EZ curls, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
A4: pulldown neutral grip, 10-12 breps
60 sec rest
B1: bent-knee deadlift, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
B2: Russian step ups, 12-15 reps
60 sec reps
B3: 45* incline curls DB, 6-8 reps
10 sec rest
B4: rowing seated, 10-12 reps

off

next two days, will post later

stay between 2700 and 3000 cal and just 25g carbs (fructose) pre workout

with this routine 2 days one off and two days and repeat and can not get the energy to do cardio (HIIT), yet I assume that must be enough work with triple SARM stack to cut down 4-5% off bf.

Thoughts?