OK FOLD - topic for discussion....

[coolcolj]

They're all related!

If you don't recover then you won't gain, you actually go backwards.

Diet helps recovery and thus super-compensation.

But without intensity you won't cause the body the need to super-compensate

 

[The Shadow]

While they are intrinsically linked it'd be interesting to see the true importance of diet.

My suspicion is that it isn't overly important, but that's just my personal guess.

-Zulu

Easy - try bulking on 1000 calories per day of cutting on 5000.

 

[ZZuluZ]

It is my belief that the body will adapt irrespective of nutrition. Not as optimally, of course.

What good is counting calories if you're not training at all?

Exactly, it doesn't make sense when it and 'this OR that' statement.

It'd be like asking:

"Do you prefer drinking or eating"?

The question isn't sound.

-Zulu

 

[The Shadow]

It is my belief that the body will adapt irrespective of nutrition. Not as optimally, of course.

What good is counting calories if you're not training at all?

Exactly, it doesn't make sense when it and 'this OR that' statement.

It'd be like asking:

"Do you prefer drinking or eating"?

The question isn't sound.

-Zulu

1 - training is implied in the way the quesion was asked.

2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it?



So you are telling me that the body will adapt and grow new muscle on a 1000 calorie per day diet??

 

[b fold the truth]

Remember that there are tons of gray areas in this sport... I think that those gray areas is where each and every one of us fall into. Nothing is black and white...therefore it makes it very difficult to state facts...

Let's try not to question everything as if our answers are the best...and not try to pick apart evey person's posts. Some things must be taken for granted.

B True

 

[Liberator]

In order to achieve a specific goal in bodybuilding you will need to build a foundation for which to go about achieving this goal, and un-fortunately wether it is to cut fat or biuld mass, the highest priority, the leader if you like, is always going to be your diet.

You have to have a sound diet in place before you step into the gym if you expect to achieve something. Everyone knows this.

Lets be serious, this is a body"building" site, we all want to achieve something, so therefore diet is of the highest priority.

 

[Imnotdutch]

1 - training is implied in the way the quesion was asked.

2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it?



So you are telling me that the body will adapt and grow new muscle on a 1000 calorie per day diet??

Assuming that the question is asked from a bodybuilding perspective then I would say diet too. If you aren't taking in the calories to even maintain your bodyweight, let alone increase it, you can't expect to grow.

However, zzZuluzz has been spending some time on the powerlifting board so he might be looking at this from that perspective. I believe Dave Tate of Westside Barbell is on record as saying diet isn't all that important.....somebody correct me if I am wrong. However, I have to say that diet makes a big difference to me.

 

[ZZuluZ]

"2 - Question is VERY sound.....why isn't it? "

Because various variables interact with each other.

What good is asking about frequency when it directly related to volume, intensity, effort, recuperation??

"
However, zzZuluzz has been spending some time on the powerlifting board so he might be looking at this from that perspective."

Not really, I just think the body is capable of a lot more than people think. The body will find SOME way to adapt or else it will die.

-Zulu