Obama rings up Limbaugh’s ‘slut,’ Georgetown’s Sandra Fluke

[redsamurai]

1) can someone explain to me how/when schools started supplying health insurance?

2) Let's say Georgetown does in fact have health plans they push on their students. In this case, "IF" Georgetown accepts tax payer money. You better god damn beleive they ought to provide "FULL" plans for womens health.

You can stop the bullshit on #2...if you accept govt subsidies in any form you can stfu about having your "religious" exemptions. That's fucking bullshit. You want religious exemptions exempt yourself from uncle sams handout train. And after all ain't that what we all complaining about? The govt subsidizing everything than just printing money from the ass?

Catholic charities accepting over 2B in govt money while making 2B already on their own....miss me when they come calling on their religious exemptions. You don't get religious exemption when 60% of your revenue comes from uncle sam. So if they want to adopt out children, then they have to adopt out to gay couples period end of story. If they don't want to do that i have "ZERO" problem with that decision. But then withdraw yourself from uncle sams tete.

that is exactly what she is attempting to do, force georgetown to provide their poor unwashed students access to free or discounted BC, of course on the georgetown dime (and i assume the taxpayers as well...even though G.U is private i assume they still get taxpayer loot in some form).
it's not like sex is a mandatory function...if you aren't on BC then don't have sex if you don't want to get preggos...don't have money to afford pills then buy condoms or visit a PP clinic where they give them away for free.
or, maybe just don't have sex until you can provide yourself the proper protection

 

[redsamurai]

or swallow or anal..


I can see the slogan now...


"Be responsible .. Have anal"

I see no problem with that. I wish sodom and gomorrah would make a come back. We need more anal in this world. It really is nature's perfect contraception.

 

[Mr. dB]

that is exactly what she is attempting to do, force georgetown to provide their poor unwashed students access to free or discounted BC, of course on the georgetown dime (and i assume the taxpayers as well...even though G.U is private i assume they still get taxpayer loot in some form).
it's not like sex is a mandatory function...if you aren't on BC then don't have sex if you don't want to get preggos...don't have money to afford pills then buy condoms or visit a PP clinic where they give them away for free.
or, maybe just don't have sex until you can provide yourself the proper protection

If they're on a prescription plan, why shouldn't birth control be included?

 

[EarthRider]

not sure if someone mentioned this, but in the Catholic church birth control is frowned upon. it's stupid to expect he dumb ass is going to change that small factor in the college supplying bc

 

[WoodyO]

not sure if someone mentioned this, but in the Catholic church birth control is frowned upon. it's stupid to expect he dumb ass is going to change that small factor in the college supplying bc

My wife is catholic and we got married in the church. The preacher man wanted to speak to me since I'm not catholic and he tried to explain the churches stance on bc to me. I cut him off mid lecture and told him that I pull out.

 

[EarthRider]

lol

i can't imagine how they find guys that want to be virgins there whole life to be a preist

 

[mootoow]

lol

i can't imagine how they find guys that want to be virgins there whole life to be a preist

They don't. They just find ones that are okay with child molestation.

Also, priest

 

[smurf2]

If they're on a prescription plan, why shouldn't birth control be included?

I don't know a lot about this story, but it seems to me the fact that it's a catholic university is the issue. Catholics don't believe in BC.

When I attended a State University, we had Student Health Services and I went there for meds when I got sick, birth control, and also for an X-ray when I dislocated my shoulder. I don't recall paying for any of it out of pocket. Must have been included in the tuition and fees.

 

[EnderJE]

My wife is catholic and we got married in the church. The preacher man wanted to speak to me since I'm not catholic and he tried to explain the churches stance on bc to me. I cut him off mid lecture and told him that I pull out.

You should have told him that you fuck her younger / pre-teen brother...that way...you're good with him.

 

[binö]

If they're on a prescription plan, why shouldn't birth control be included?

aside from the fact that it's a catholic college that the incoming student knew didn't support BC, why should anyone/gov have the right to dictate what a college's health plan can and cannot cover?

 

[mrplunkey]

If they're on a prescription plan, why shouldn't birth control be included?

Should they force catholic hospitals to perform abortions as well?

 

[ledhead]

If they're on a prescription plan, why shouldn't birth control be included?

Who are you, Margaret Sanger or Mary Dennett?? I say, re-enact the Comstock Law.

 

[miplank]

My wife is catholic and we got married in the church. The preacher man wanted to speak to me since I'm not catholic and he tried to explain the churches stance on bc to me. I cut him off mid lecture and told him that I pull out.

I also pull out with your wife

 

[EarthRider]

lol, no you don't

 

[miplank]

You're right. I blow all up in it

 

[Mr. dB]

Should they force catholic hospitals to perform abortions as well?

Do any hospitals perform abortions?

 

[mrplunkey]

Do any hospitals perform abortions?

They most certainly do. And plenty of Dr.'s offices as well.

 

[mootoow]

You're right. I blow all up in it

ololololol!!!

 

[miplank]

Lolllolololol

 

[javaguru]

lol

i can't imagine how they find guys that want to be virgins there whole life to be a preist

They don't; They are hypocrites, gay, and pedophiles. My best friend dated a woman that worked for the local dioceses and they all knew which priest was dating a parishioner as well as commenting on the hottest priest. Religion is inherently hypocritical like all large social institutions.

 

[mrplunkey]

They don't; They are hypocrites, gay, and pedophiles. My best friend dated a woman that worked for the local dioceses and they all knew which priest was dating a parishioner as well as commenting on the hottest priest. Religion is inherently hypocritical like all large social institutions.

Yeah! And religions used to advocate beating/punishing women as well.

Isn't that hypocritical too???

Oh wait... never mind.

 

[mrplunkey]

So should health plans be forced to cover voluntary partial birth abortions as well?

 

[tryin2tone]

Alot of health care providers, especially state funded insurances, will cover voluntary abortions up to 20 weeks. Most clinics won't do them past 24. By this time its fully developed except for a few things.

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[mrplunkey]

Alot of health care providers, especially state funded insurances, will cover voluntary abortions up to 20 weeks. Most clinics won't do them past 24. By this time its fully developed except for a few things.

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And why should they be able to stop doing them at 24 weeks? According to some on this thread, if you accept federal dollars you shouldn't get to pick-and-choose what services you want to cover.

Why not mandate that every entity that accepts federal money be required to pay for and perform partial birth abortions?

 

[smurf2]

Why on earth do they allow voluntary abortions past the 1st tri. That's just terrible. You have 2.5 months to make that decision. If not, then have the baby and put it up for adoption.

 

[mootoow]

 

[mrplunkey]

Why on earth do they allow voluntary abortions past the 1st tri. That's just terrible. You have 2.5 months to make that decision. If not, then have the baby and put it up for adoption.

Why? If it's a legitimate decision for the mother during the first and second trimester, what magical transformation occurred during the third? Is that when god gives it a soul?

Don't get all Jesusy on me here. And shouldn't Chris be required to perform third trimester abortions if he wants to do business with the federal government at any level (I.e. practice at any hospital or office that accepts federal dollars of any sort)?

 

[tryin2tone]

Why? If it's a legitimate decision for the mother during the first and second trimester, what magical transformation occurred during the third? Is that when god gives it a soul?

Don't get all Jesusy on me here. And shouldn't Chris be required to perform third trimester abortions if he wants to do business with the federal government at any level (I.e. practice at any hospital or office that accepts federal dollars of any sort)?

It has to do with fetal viability. after the 24th week the brain lujgs and heart has developed enough where if the mother was to give birth the fetus being born could survive on its own

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[mrplunkey]

It has to do with fetal viability. after the 24th week the brain lujgs and heart has developed enough where if the mother was to give birth the fetus being born could survive on its own

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Not without radical medical intervention.

And with radical intervention, they can go as low as 22 weeks now. So is the second trimester out as well now?

 

[tryin2tone]

Not without radical medical intervention.

And with radical intervention, they can go as low as 22 weeks now. So is the second trimester out as well now?

the only way they would go any higher than 24 weeks is if it was a chance that the child would be born dead or would kill the mother. you can get 1 up to the end of the second trimester which is 24 weeks, voluntary. after that it will try to do what they can do to deliver the child and save it

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[smurf2]

Why? If it's a legitimate decision for the mother during the first and second trimester, what magical transformation occurred during the third? Is that when god gives it a soul?

Don't get all Jesusy on me here. And shouldn't Chris be required to perform third trimester abortions if he wants to do business with the federal government at any level (I.e. practice at any hospital or office that accepts federal dollars of any sort)?

No, I just personally think abortion is disgusting and I can't wrap my mind around killing an otherwise healthy fetus that far along? Why not take care of it during the first 12-13 weeks? What is the justification for waiting? This is just my personal opinoin on the matter, I"m not Jesusy at all. My opinion is not related to religion at all.

 

[EarthRider]

Even though I am "Jesusy" like you would say, I still feel that the baby is a child. It doesn't have anything to do with me loving Jesus too. When you go for the ultra sound, and you see the baby and the heart beat. You know it's a child. So it's hard for me to accept that moms would end that life, when there are so many moms and dads out there who would love to adopt that child. But I believe life starts in the womb

Now I know you probably have a billion reasons why I am wrong Plunkey, but I don't care. This is how I feel about the subject.

 

[tryin2tone]

No, I just personally think abortion is disgusting and I can't wrap my mind around killing an otherwise healthy fetus that far along? Why not take care of it during the first 12-13 weeks? What is the justification for waiting? This is just my personal opinoin on the matter, I"m not Jesusy at all. My opinion is not related to religion at all.

Some people think they want it and they know they have until a certain time to get it, so they'll hold out for as long as they can, legally, then they meet a guy who doesn't want a kid and, blip, she pulled the plug. Goes right to the clinic.

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[mrplunkey]

Now I know you probably have a billion reasons why I am wrong Plunkey, but I don't care. This is how I feel about the subject.

And Catholics have their own feelings about being forced to pay for contraception.

If forcing a contentious woman's health issue onto those who object is such a noble thing to do, I don't see why we don't mandate all doctors, hospitals and clinics to provide partial-birth abortions in any situation where it is legal.

Or are we just singleing-out Catholics for our secular social justice programs?

 

[tryin2tone]

And Catholics have their own feelings about being forced to pay for contraception.

If forcing a contentious woman's health issue onto those who object is such a noble thing to do, I don't see why we don't mandate all doctors, hospitals and clinics to provide partial-birth abortions in any situation where it is legal.

Or are we just singleing-out Catholics for our secular social justice programs?

it's not just the catholics being singled out at the catholic the have the big problem with it. if you google late term abortion it gives you a step by step drawing explanation of how they do it it's disgusting. what are your feelings about women getting abortions after rape?

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[tryin2tone]

real legitimate rape, not they told their boyfriend no and then got pregnant from it

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[cindylou]

real legitimate rape, not they told their boyfriend no and then got pregnant from it

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that's not legitimate rape?

 

[tryin2tone]

that's not legitimate rape?

I know. I was just saying. On the basis of a legitimate rape vase, what is the opinion on that?

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[tryin2tone]

that's not legitimate rape?

I was just using that as a for example.

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[cindylou]

I know. I was just saying. On the basis of a legitimate rape vase, what is the opinion on that?

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Okay, just clarifying.

Can the fetus feel pain during a late term abortion?

 

[EnderJE]

Plunkey is black and white to get the point across (namely who gets to decide what is gray). I understand the reason and the approach, but can understand your opposite views.

 

[EnderJE]

Okay, just clarifying.

If it's a human life, how could you justify killing it? If it's not a human life how could you justify not letting a woman control her body? What difference does it make when?

IMO in the instance of rape, telling a woman she has no control over her own body, AGAIN and force her to carry the child would further traumatize her. This is my personal opinion. I don't know how men perceive this.

Can the fetus feel pain during a late term abortion?

Why can't you justify killing a human life? Don't we (collectively) do that already with letting people starve and suffer so that a precious few can excel?

In the instance of rape, I have no concerns with what any female wants to do. Then again, based on the first point, I have no issue either way.

BTW, can I start calling you the 1%er?

 

[Mr. dB]

Not without radical medical intervention.

And with radical intervention, they can go as low as 22 weeks now. So is the second trimester out as well now?

I agree with Smurf on a 1st trimester limit.

 

[Mr. dB]

 

[cindylou]

Why can't you justify killing a human life? Don't we (collectively) do that already with letting people starve and suffer so that a precious few can excel?

In the instance of rape, I have no concerns with what any female wants to do. Then again, based on the first point, I have no issue either way.

BTW, can I start calling you the 1%er?

Damn you...I edited my post because I didn't want to derail the thread.

lol I can't tell you what to do but I'd rather you not call me something that's not even close to true. Your choice.

 

[tryin2tone]

Okay, just clarifying.

If it's a human life, how could you justify killing it? If it's not a human life how could you justify not letting a woman control her body?

IMO in the instance of rape, telling a woman she has no control over her own body, AGAIN and force her to carry the child would further traumatize her. This is my personal opinion. I don't know how men perceive this.

Can the fetus feel pain during a late term abortion?

A rape baby will drive a woman over the edge. And yes, by this time the brain and nerves and heart and lungs are developed. She could have this baby at this point and it could survive

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[mrplunkey]

I agree with Smurf on a 1st trimester limit.

Then you obviously are against women owning their own bodies. You and Santorum should get along great since you only disagree by one trimester.

 

[tryin2tone]

Then you obviously are against women owning their own bodies. You and Santorum should get along great since you only disagree by one trimester.

It's not a matter of a woman owning her body in a situation like that. I don't see how she could get past the first trimester and still be unsure whether not she wants to keep the baby, why anyone would even want to go that far I will never know. any event of a rape pregnancy sometimes the woman is just so scared in trauma tized she doesn't know what to do and she hides away, and sometimes in that it's probably better to just take the baby

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[juiceddreadlocks]

(side note law school is 3 yrs not 4)
smart phone unlimited plan=anywhere from 50-100 a month
internet access for off campus students=50-70 a month, 100plus for the cable/internet package
hitting the bars up 4 times a month=can be quite spendy, low end $100
so you see there is lots of ways money can be spent and sacrifices to be made if something is more important, like BC pills.
not like it's a health issue that you will die without...still can't afford BC pills? then use condoms...can't afford condoms? then don't have sex for fucks sake, be responsible

cool didnt know that it was 3 yrs either way that $$ number doesnt have to be as far off as to be dismissed.

 

[tryin2tone]

They need to write that shit into their budgets. Dip into their fun money account mommy and daddy left for them

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[smurf2]

Isn't it hypocrisy for a woman to insist that others (govt, church, society) let her do what she wants with her body, her womb, but then demand others pay or contribute when you want birth control or abortions?

 

[redsamurai]

And why should they be able to stop doing them at 24 weeks? According to some on this thread, if you accept federal dollars you shouldn't get to pick-and-choose what services you want to cover.

Why not mandate that every entity that accepts federal money be required to pay for and perform partial birth abortions?

not that i agree with that procedure but the answer to your question is yes.

And also, there are times when late term abortions are necessary to save the life of the mother but catholic hospitals still will not perform the procedure even if there is well above 50% chance the woman will die. They just send her somewhere else.

 

[redsamurai]

that's not legitimate rape?

yeah isn't that something? I guess no means "kinda" when you're in a relationship

 

[redsamurai]

Then you obviously are against women owning their own bodies. You and Santorum should get along great since you only disagree by one trimester.

troll fail

 

[mrplunkey]

not that i agree with that procedure but the answer to your question is yes.

And also, there are times when late term abortions are necessary to save the life of the mother but catholic hospitals still will not perform the procedure even if there is well above 50% chance the woman will die. They just send her somewhere else.

See? There you go with that confident ignorance again.

A catholic hospital will readily perform an abortion when the mother's life is truley in danger.

But at least you are entertaining.

 

[mrplunkey]

Isn't it hypocrisy for a woman to insist that others (govt, church, society) let her do what she wants with her body, her womb, but then demand others pay or contribute when you want birth control or abortions?

And that succinctly sums up the real solution for the entire mess Barry has exacerbated.

The right answer is choice -- whether it is a woman's, a hospital's, a doctor's, a taxpayer's, a clinic's or an insurance carrier's.

This whole mess starts up once you force one person to pay for another person's individual choices.

 

[EnderJE]

Damn you...I edited my post because I didn't want to derail the thread.

lol I can't tell you what to do but I'd rather you not call me something that's not even close to true. Your choice.

Would it be better if I called you soft and cuddly? :

Wow, that's an eflirt for me.

 

[EnderJE]

And that succinctly sums up the real solution for the entire mess Barry has exacerbated.

The right answer is choice -- whether it is a woman's, a hospital's, a doctor's, a taxpayer's, a clinic's or an insurance carrier's.

This whole mess starts up once you force one person to pay for another person's individual choices.

There you go..using black and white to prove a point...I think I'm gonna start calling you Mick Jackson...

 

[mrplunkey]

There you go..using black and white to prove a point...I think I'm gonna start calling you Mick Jackson...

I have no problem with shades of gray, as long as I (or someone I can pay, more likely) get to call those shots.

But then you get a round of retards bitching about how everything (and everyone) is for sale and how big business is taking-over the government.

 

[redsamurai]

See? There you go with that confident ignorance again.

A catholic hospital will readily perform an abortion when the mother's life is truley in danger.

But at least you are entertaining.

no it won't...i know this firsthand, happened to one of my best friends and he "was" a raging catholic until that happened. And this was in CA so this wasn't even the heart of bible belt country

 

[redsamurai]

I'm sure you can google something that tells you otherwise, but in practice they won't. They say if the mother is in danger they'll do the abortion...but there has to be like an arrow sticking out of the womans brain for them to understand her life is in immediate danger. In all other circumstances they lawyer up say we don't beleive her life is "really" in danger even though the woman has a condition which statistics say she has greater than a 50% chance of not making it. If there was even a 10% chance i would "never" risk my wife's life for a baby we can have again at some point down the road. My friend "was" catholic.

 

[tryin2tone]

Okay, just clarifying.

Can the fetus feel pain during a late term abortion?

Yes they can. What happens is the Dr reaches on and grabs the fetuses feet, pulls them out, and as the head is being pulled out, they stick forceps in the base of the skull to stop brain function. The pulls it the rest of the way out.

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[mootoow]

Yes they can. What happens is the Dr reaches on and grabs the fetuses feet, pulls them out, and as the head is being pulled out, they stick forceps in the base of the skull to stop brain function. The pulls it the rest of the way out.

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wtf is your avatar supposed to be?

 

[mootoow]

i know this firsthand, happened to one of my best friends

that by definition is not first hand

just fyi

 

[Mr. dB]

And Catholics have their own feelings about being forced to pay for contraception.

You mean they're forced to take a discount in order to provide contraception, since providing contraception is a net decrease in cost to the provider. A lifetime of pills costs a lot less than one childbirth...

They want the right to pay more in order to deny contraception to the people they have power over.

 

[tryin2tone]

wtf is your avatar supposed to be?

I'm not sure

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[tryin2tone]

wtf is your avatar supposed to be?

Tell me how to do it right.

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[mootoow]

Tell me how to do it right.

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well do you have a penis or a vagina?

 

[EnderJE]

I have no problem with shades of gray, as long as I (or someone I can pay, more likely) get to call those shots.

But then you get a round of retards bitching about how everything (and everyone) is for sale and how big business is taking-over the government.

Everything is for sale. You already know that. That's why you want them to have less power...less to steal.

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[brownbrown]

traditional beliefs such as not having to foot the bill for some bimbo to get fuct and have the taxpayers pay for her condoms/pills?
rush was spot on calling this slut out...the chic goes to georgetown (uber expensive btw), complains that she doesn't have money to afford condoms/pills, and is pissed that you and i aren't paying for it.
gee maybe if you are so poor that you can't afford condoms you shouldn't be getting banged out (must be pretty regularly if the few dollars for condoms is too much)...fuck her and her little entitled elitist in the making mind...you and i have to afford are own penile wrapping, and so should the big brain college students at georgetown.

1. She spoke in Congress because of the fact that birthcontrol isnt only used for preventing babies. Thats what she spoke about.
2. She pays for her healthcare, she should be able to get full coverage.
3. The Catholic church condones BC because it "Is against the will of God". So if impotence is the "will of God", Then boner pills shoud be condoned. But guess what? Its not.
The hypocracy of the cathloic church is insane. A guy can defy the will of God with boner pills, but a woman cant?
They can cover up Molesters for 100+ years, but a chick cant take.birth control for her hormones?

Btw, the Birthcontrol Disallowance in the cathloic church has only been around for 80 some odd years.

You worried about the tax payers? Whats cheaper a kid that a parent cant afford or the pill?





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[mrplunkey]

You mean they're forced to take a discount in order to provide contraception, since providing contraception is a net decrease in cost to the provider. A lifetime of pills costs a lot less than one childbirth...

They want the right to pay more in order to deny contraception to the people they have power over.

And a few strategic partial birth abortions is cheaper than a lifetime of kids' health care too...

they want the right to not be forced into paying for something that's against thier beliefs. I don't agree with denying contraception either, but I'm not the one running THEIR insurance company. I don't like partial birth abortions, and I'd sure be pissed if Barry forced me to pay for one of those.

That's the problem with libtards deciding they know what's best for everyone. It's no different than a jebus freak trying to outlaw rubbers. Both are absurd situations.

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm sure you can google something that tells you otherwise, but in practice they won't. They say if the mother is in danger they'll do the abortion...but there has to be like an arrow sticking out of the womans brain for them to understand her life is in immediate danger. In all other circumstances they lawyer up say we don't beleive her life is "really" in danger even though the woman has a condition which statistics say she has greater than a 50% chance of not making it. If there was even a 10% chance i would "never" risk my wife's life for a baby we can have again at some point down the road. My friend "was" catholic.

You are completely full of shit.

I deal with catholic hospitals every day. I even sell them the surgical supplies they use during the procedure.

But your confident ignorance amuses me.

 

[mrplunkey]

that by definition is not first hand

just fyi

I noticed that too... Retards can be entertaining tho.

 

[binö]

1. She spoke in Congress because of the fact that birthcontrol isnt only used for preventing babies. Thats what she spoke about.
2. She pays for her healthcare, she should be able to get full coverage.
3. The Catholic church condones BC because it "Is against the will of God". So if impotence is the "will of God", Then boner pills shoud be condoned. But guess what? Its not.
The hypocracy of the cathloic church is insane. A guy can defy the will of God with boner pills, but a woman cant?
They can cover up Molesters for 100+ years, but a chick cant take.birth control for her hormones?

Btw, the Birthcontrol Disallowance in the cathloic church has only been around for 80 some odd years.

You worried about the tax payers? Whats cheaper a kid that a parent cant afford or the pill?





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you lefty heros sure do pick strange winners for your slogans/face time
1. great, then find a healthcare provider that has a plan more suited for her sexual health needs
2. see answer 1, nobody is forcing her to accept G.U's health insurance, she can find a different better program (she probably knew about this before accepting a scholarship there, surely she could've gotten a scholarship somewhere else that wasn't a catholic shool)
3. this has zero to do with impotence, zero...and i'd bet the school health care plolicy doesn't provide viagra.
4. your ranting and raving obviously has little to do with the matter at stake (should a college healthcare provide BC at gov gunpoint) and more to do with your dislike of the catholic faith. which is fine with me, just don't attend a catholic college it's really that simple

 

[mootoow]

1. She spoke in Congress because of the fact that birthcontrol isnt only used for preventing babies. Thats what she spoke about.
2. She pays for her healthcare, she should be able to get full coverage.
3. The Catholic church condones BC because it "Is against the will of God". So if impotence is the "will of God", Then boner pills shoud be condoned. But guess what? Its not.
The hypocracy of the cathloic church is insane. A guy can defy the will of God with boner pills, but a woman cant?
They can cover up Molesters for 100+ years, but a chick cant take.birth control for her hormones?

Btw, the Birthcontrol Disallowance in the cathloic church has only been around for 80 some odd years.

You worried about the tax payers? Whats cheaper a kid that a parent cant afford or the pill?





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I think you're mixing up the words condoned and condemned

 

[redsamurai]

that by definition is not first hand

just fyi

it is if i was there

 

[redsamurai]

1. She spoke in Congress because of the fact that birthcontrol isnt only used for preventing babies. Thats what she spoke about.
2. She pays for her healthcare, she should be able to get full coverage.
3. The Catholic church condones BC because it "Is against the will of God". So if impotence is the "will of God", Then boner pills shoud be condoned. But guess what? Its not.
The hypocracy of the cathloic church is insane. A guy can defy the will of God with boner pills, but a woman cant?
They can cover up Molesters for 100+ years, but a chick cant take.birth control for her hormones?

Btw, the Birthcontrol Disallowance in the cathloic church has only been around for 80 some odd years.

You worried about the tax payers? Whats cheaper a kid that a parent cant afford or the pill?





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condemns brown, not condones. Throws off the whole point you're making. lols

 

[Mr. dB]

Tell me how to do it right.

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That depends on what you're trying to do?

 

[redsamurai]

You are completely full of shit.

I deal with catholic hospitals every day. I even sell them the surgical supplies they use during the procedure.

But your confident ignorance amuses me.

no am i not. Like i said, i was there and witnessed them deny it firsthand. I saw the near brawl between the family and hospital staff. No it is "you" who are completely full of shit. A catholic hospital was sued some years ago cause a woman died in there that would have been saved by an abortion but they wouldn't do it. As i said, only if there's an arrow sticking out of her brain will they perform an abortion....meaning it has to be so ironclad fullproff that she will die then they do it.

 

[mrplunkey]

no am i not. Like i said, i was there and witnessed them deny it firsthand. I saw the near brawl between the family and hospital staff. No it is "you" who are completely full of shit. A catholic hospital was sued some years ago cause a woman died in there that would have been saved by an abortion but they wouldn't do it. As i said, only if there's an arrow sticking out of her brain will they perform an abortion....meaning it has to be so ironclad fullproff that she will die then they do it.

Then post a link to her successful lawsuit.

I love watching you talk yourself into a corner.

 

[redsamurai]

Then post a link to her successful lawsuit.

I love watching you talk yourself into a corner.

the lawsuit i was referring to was not from my friends wife. I just remember reading about that years ago. ANd further i don't beleive the womans lawsuit was successful if i remember correctly. Anyway my friend got his wife to another proper hospital.

 

[mrplunkey]

the lawsuit i was referring to was not from my friends wife. I just remember reading about that years ago. ANd further i don't beleive the womans lawsuit was successful if i remember correctly. Anyway my friend got his wife to another proper hospital.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

I love calling you out on your bullshit.

 

[redsamurai]

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

I love calling you out on your bullshit.

what bullshit? i didn't claim my buddy's wife sued the hospital.....gettin past 9pm the loonies kickin up?

 

[bcruder]

Georgetown required that students purchase medical insurance. Students paid for coverage WITH THEIR OWN MONEY. They have NO CHOICE.

Some clergyman who DID NOT PAY dictated that contraception would not be covered even though it is standard in the state. Georgetown DID NOT DISCLOSE the religious exclusions BEFORE taking the student’s money.

Anyone who has ever fought with an insurance company must sympathize with the students. Anyone who repeats Limbaugh's lie about Ms. Fluke wanting contraception for free is a fool. She demanded coverage that SHE HAD PAID FOR.

An insurance company or agent who misled a purchaser in that fashion could be liable for damages and might be criminally liable if perhaps he misled THOUSANDS of purchasers over DECADES.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) does not pay for medical care, but standardizes how insurance policies are sold and managed to prevent misrepresentation. While it will subsidize some insurance purchase, the citizen still chooses the policy. Those who claim that vouchers for religious schools are proper because the money is first given to parents who choose the school fail to apply that rule to citizens who purchase insurance that covers contraception or abortion with a similar voucher.

The conscience of one man never outweighs that of another when the second man's body or life is in question. The conscience of one man who is not PERSONALLY paying must bow before the conscience of the dozens or thousands of subscribers who ARE paying.

Fervent belief that one must "correct" others grants no "right of conscience" to do so. Courts correctly struck laws that advance one religion over another or over no religion at all. The "Lemon Test" requires that every law have an entirely secular purpose. Since opposition to both contraception and abortion appear to be entirely based on the religious dogma of "ensoulment", they fail the Lemon Test.

When one is licensed by the state, the license’s power is borrowed, not given. The licensee becomes an agent of the state and may not exercise borrowed power to advance religion any more than the state could. His "right of conscience" is limited to relinquishing the license. If Joe Citizen may not dictate a woman's reproductive choices then Joe Physician, Joe Pharmacist or Joe Administrator who differ only in their state license may not do so. Imagine if individual police officers or individual soldiers had the same "right of conscience" that some are now demanding.

Courts favor individual conscience over outside coercion and also honor the common-law right to privacy. Fear that someone else might be "sinning" grants no “right of conscience” to invade someone else's home or someone else's medical treatment. That was the basis of Rowe v. Wade.

Finally, those who have assumed the power to coerce are always unhappy when they lose that power. They always claim mistreatment while ignoring the abuse they have heaped on others.

 

[redsamurai]

Georgetown requires they go through them to get insurance? Someone still has not explained to me why a fucking university is in the health insurance business anyway. And wow that makes Georgetown sound dirty as fuck if that's true.

Georgetown required that students purchase medical insurance. Students paid for coverage WITH THEIR OWN MONEY. They have NO CHOICE.

Some clergyman who DID NOT PAY dictated that contraception would not be covered even though it is standard in the state. Georgetown DID NOT DISCLOSE the religious exclusions BEFORE taking the student’s money.

Anyone who has ever fought with an insurance company must sympathize with the students. Anyone who repeats Limbaugh's lie about Ms. Fluke wanting contraception for free is a fool. She demanded coverage that SHE HAD PAID FOR.

An insurance company or agent who misled a purchaser in that fashion could be liable for damages and might be criminally liable if perhaps he misled THOUSANDS of purchasers over DECADES.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) does not pay for medical care, but standardizes how insurance policies are sold and managed to prevent misrepresentation. While it will subsidize some insurance purchase, the citizen still chooses the policy. Those who claim that vouchers for religious schools are proper because the money is first given to parents who choose the school fail to apply that rule to citizens who purchase insurance that covers contraception or abortion with a similar voucher.

The conscience of one man never outweighs that of another when the second man's body or life is in question. The conscience of one man who is not PERSONALLY paying must bow before the conscience of the dozens or thousands of subscribers who ARE paying.

Fervent belief that one must "correct" others grants no "right of conscience" to do so. Courts correctly struck laws that advance one religion over another or over no religion at all. The "Lemon Test" requires that every law have an entirely secular purpose. Since opposition to both contraception and abortion appear to be entirely based on the religious dogma of "ensoulment", they fail the Lemon Test.

When one is licensed by the state, the license’s power is borrowed, not given. The licensee becomes an agent of the state and may not exercise borrowed power to advance religion any more than the state could. His "right of conscience" is limited to relinquishing the license. If Joe Citizen may not dictate a woman's reproductive choices then Joe Physician, Joe Pharmacist or Joe Administrator who differ only in their state license may not do so. Imagine if individual police officers or individual soldiers had the same "right of conscience" that some are now demanding.

Courts favor individual conscience over outside coercion and also honor the common-law right to privacy. Fear that someone else might be "sinning" grants no “right of conscience” to invade someone else's home or someone else's medical treatment. That was the basis of Rowe v. Wade.

Finally, those who have assumed the power to coerce are always unhappy when they lose that power. They always claim mistreatment while ignoring the abuse they have heaped on others.

 

[mrplunkey]

what bullshit? i didn't claim my buddy's wife sued the hospital.....gettin past 9pm the loonies kickin up?

This lawsuit that you supposidly read about but can't seem to link up...

 

[redsamurai]

This lawsuit that you supposidly read about but can't seem to link up...

oh i haven't even tried dude this was years ago. I only remembered it when my buddy went through the same thing. You've probably already found it yourself you're just google trolling me as usual.

 

[redsamurai]

oh and until you have a reply to post 184 i suggest you stfu

 

[mootoow]

The last school I attended mandated health insurance. You didn't have to go through them, but they had a deal set up with a company and if you went with someone else, you had to prove your coverage was at least equal to the plan they had arranged. It was just easier to go with the schools plan.

 

[mrplunkey]

oh and until you have a reply to post 184 i suggest you stfu

Yeah, I'm going to respond to a cut-and-paste from a poster's #1 post.

 

[redsamurai]

The last school I attended mandated health insurance. You didn't have to go through them, but they had a deal set up with a company and if you went with someone else, you had to prove your coverage was at least equal to the plan they had arranged. It was just easier to go with the schools plan.

now i'm starting to see Ms. Fluke's point more and more. Astounding this hasn't been explained in the media in full.

But it gets the monkeys all riled up "this slut wants us to pay for her pussy pills!!!" blah blah blah

this country sucks, nobody can talk straight anymore.

 

[brownbrown]

condemns brown, not condones. Throws off the whole point you're making. lols

On cell phone.... Auto correct...

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[brownbrown]

you lefty heros sure do pick strange winners for your slogans/face time
1. great, then find a healthcare provider that has a plan more suited for her sexual health needs
2. see answer 1, nobody is forcing her to accept G.U's health insurance, she can find a different better program (she probably knew about this before accepting a scholarship there, surely she could've gotten a scholarship somewhere else that wasn't a catholic shool)
3. this has zero to do with impotence, zero...and i'd bet the school health care plolicy doesn't provide viagra.
4. your ranting and raving obviously has little to do with the matter at stake (should a college healthcare provide BC at gov gunpoint) and more to do with your dislike of the catholic faith. which is fine with me, just don't attend a catholic college it's really that simple

1. Or be able to get what you pay for like every one else
2. Lol, yea lets Not take an earned top tier school scholarship. Obviously she had tons of school offers coming in.
She must be a "snob"
3. The school doesnt offer erectile dysfunction medicine? What do you want to bet? So youre saying that BC and Viagra are different subjects. So they arent sexual health issuses?
4. A state college should do what the fuck its told if it gets Millions from the government, unless it doesnt want the cash.
I have nothing against the Catholic church, I do have something against hypocrisy. "Will of God", Why should someone get less for their $ when Non catholic schools offer full coverage?
Cute, Im a lefty, but you want big church dictating womens health options, but not mens.

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[Mr. dB]

Im a lefty, but you want big church dictating womens health options, but not mens.

It's the American Taliban.

Whaddaya wanna bet that Catholic countries like Italy, France, and Brazil have contraception plans?

 

[redsamurai]

1. Or be able to get what you pay for like every one else
2. Lol, yea lets Not take an earned top tier school scholarship. Obviously she had tons of school offers coming in.
She must be a "snob"
3. The school doesnt offer erectile dysfunction medicine? What do you want to bet? So youre saying that BC and Viagra are different subjects. So they arent sexual health issuses?
4. A state college should do what the fuck its told if it gets Millions from the government, unless it doesnt want the cash.
I have nothing against the Catholic church, I do have something against hypocrisy. "Will of God", Why should someone get less for their $ when Non catholic schools offer full coverage?
Cute, Im a lefty, but you want big church dictating womens health options, but not mens.

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That's really the final word here. And piss on georgetown for keeping their little no BC regs secret till the students are already signed up.

 

[redsamurai]

This lawsuit that you supposidly read about but can't seem to link up...

Let me google that for you

 

[redsamurai]

Daylight Atheism > Abortion Care at Catholic Hospitals

The "Protect Life Act": Allowing Hospitals to Ignore Women | Center for Reproductive Rights

Huffington Post: New Bill Would Allow Religious Hospitals to Deny Life-Saving Emergency Care | Center for Reproductive Rights

Catholic Hospitals' Practices Fall 'Below the Radar' | RH Reality Check

Below the Radar Fact Sheet: Religious Refusals to Treat Pregnancy Complications Put Women in Danger | National Women's Law Center

 

[EnderJE]

TOTW!!!

More tongue action!

 

[mrplunkey]

Daylight Atheism > Abortion Care at Catholic Hospitals

The "Protect Life Act": Allowing Hospitals to Ignore Women | Center for Reproductive Rights

Huffington Post: New Bill Would Allow Religious Hospitals to Deny Life-Saving Emergency Care | Center for Reproductive Rights

Catholic Hospitals' Practices Fall 'Below the Radar' | RH Reality Check

Below the Radar Fact Sheet: Religious Refusals to Treat Pregnancy Complications Put Women in Danger | National Women's Law Center

aww... How cute. A flurry of links from an atheist website and the Huffington post.

who would have expected that from you?

 

[mrplunkey]

1. Or be able to get what you pay for like every one else
2. Lol, yea lets Not take an earned top tier school scholarship. Obviously she had tons of school offers coming in.
She must be a "snob"
3. The school doesnt offer erectile dysfunction medicine? What do you want to bet? So youre saying that BC and Viagra are different subjects. So they arent sexual health issuses?
4. A state college should do what the fuck its told if it gets Millions from the government, unless it doesnt want the cash.
I have nothing against the Catholic church, I do have something against hypocrisy. "Will of God", Why should someone get less for their $ when Non catholic schools offer full coverage?
Cute, Im a lefty, but you want big church dictating womens health options, but not mens.

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So should those same schools be forced to provide partial birth abortions as well?